BBScout doing what a coach requires is not phony hustle. Alot of college and HS programs around here require that players sprint on and off the field. Yes Coach, No Coach that is fine with me. Yes sir, No sir that is the same thing to me. I can see where a Pro Manager would not want to be called sir by a player. But I think its a little different in HS at least around here. I think its just a matter of preference. When I got my first HS job as an assistant the Head Coach had a rule that when a batter struck out he was to sprint back to the dug out. He said walking back was a sign of pouting about it. I took him to the side and I said I hated that rule. As a player I did not want to give the impression that I was running away. I thought players should just walk calmly back to the dug out and keep their head up and be ready for the next chance. We did not see eye to eye on that but when I became the Head Coach I changed it.
This is one of the reasons I love that my son plays baseball. It goes beyond teaching young men a game and actually attempts to build the character of the man he will be.
Think about it, we are talking about the merits of how a young man runs on and off the field, saying Yes Sir as opposed to Yes Coach and how the player handles himself in adverse times.
I don’t watch the NBA anymore and I’m watching less and less of the NFL because of what I view as outlandish character issues by the players that are ultimately permitted by the coach. I watch any and all baseball – they could put tee-ball on TV and I would watch every inning.
Arguing about the nuances of the right attitude/character it is right. Keep baseball above the other sports. You coaches are building men and I for one applaud your efforts!!!
Think about it, we are talking about the merits of how a young man runs on and off the field, saying Yes Sir as opposed to Yes Coach and how the player handles himself in adverse times.
I don’t watch the NBA anymore and I’m watching less and less of the NFL because of what I view as outlandish character issues by the players that are ultimately permitted by the coach. I watch any and all baseball – they could put tee-ball on TV and I would watch every inning.
Arguing about the nuances of the right attitude/character it is right. Keep baseball above the other sports. You coaches are building men and I for one applaud your efforts!!!
I guess the conflicting answers validate that it's more in the eye of the beholder - and what he interprets the action to be - than anything else. What I will say is this: a "correct" attitude - and "correct" means whatever the coach du jour thinks it does - will put a thumb on the scales. But not a very heavy one, in my opinion. Outside of true headcases, most coaches will take the player with more talent, ability, and "upside" over the lesser player who dresses, walks and talks the way the coach prefers.
Or else he ain't gonna be the coach for long....
Or else he ain't gonna be the coach for long....
Bob has done an outstanding job compiling many articles on this subject. This link takes you to what several HS & College coaches have to say about attitude. A good read for parents, too.
Making the Team , Parts 2-4; Common Pitfalls of HS Player; Baseballs 10 Commandments; & Dugout Diary to mention a few.
http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/articles_part1.htm
Making the Team , Parts 2-4; Common Pitfalls of HS Player; Baseballs 10 Commandments; & Dugout Diary to mention a few.
http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/articles_part1.htm
I may get pounded for this but here goes. I tend to agree with BBscout on the false hustle aspect. Sprinting at full speed to your position says "Look at me, I'm better than my teammates". However, if a coach has taught ALL of his players to sprint to their
positions I think it shows team unity and actually sends a message to the other team that
they are there for a purpose which is to come out on top at the end of the game.
I, for one, love to see players in unison leaving the dugout at the same time and "hustle" to their positions. I cannot handle players straggling out, some running,
some jogging, some walking, some half-jog half-walk and stop at he foul line and walk
the rest of the way to their positions while adjusting the batting gloves in the back pockets so the fingers hang out at precisely 5 1/2". (By the way, how did this batting glove thing get started in the first place? another topic I guess).
Let me pose this question, say a coach has no set procedure for taking the field and
lets the players do whatever they want. Should a boy who has been taught to "hustle" to
his position then tone it down so that he looks like the rest of his teammates and basically "lolligag" on out? To show team unity
positions I think it shows team unity and actually sends a message to the other team that
they are there for a purpose which is to come out on top at the end of the game.
I, for one, love to see players in unison leaving the dugout at the same time and "hustle" to their positions. I cannot handle players straggling out, some running,
some jogging, some walking, some half-jog half-walk and stop at he foul line and walk
the rest of the way to their positions while adjusting the batting gloves in the back pockets so the fingers hang out at precisely 5 1/2". (By the way, how did this batting glove thing get started in the first place? another topic I guess).
Let me pose this question, say a coach has no set procedure for taking the field and
lets the players do whatever they want. Should a boy who has been taught to "hustle" to
his position then tone it down so that he looks like the rest of his teammates and basically "lolligag" on out? To show team unity
Whose fault is it ???
Doesn't it all begin at home and then get reinforced by the coaches/teachers outside the home ?
Let me give you an example of how it can go--this is a true event
In our tournament last year the batter strikes out and tosses his helmet thereby getting an ejection as he muttered a few choice words as well--next the bat goes flying over the top of the dugout where there is a 6 ft screen as well-- the bat lands and bounces behind the dugout where three ladies, one in her 80's were sitting and watching--if the bat bounces left instead of right it hits them--- back at the hotel I meet the coach and he is telling me the kid is cool for the next game because ejection rule states there is no suspension after ejection--I tell him ever so politely that if the kid suits up he can take the entire team home--there is no way that kid plays another game in my tournament---
Obviously he has been getting away with this in previous instances-- what is this coach teaching the kid
Tell you what--had I done that as a kid my dad would broken both my legs and I would have been thankful he did not kill me--
On our travel team we have our own rules and every kid knows them--break them and you leave--
Doesn't it all begin at home and then get reinforced by the coaches/teachers outside the home ?
Let me give you an example of how it can go--this is a true event
In our tournament last year the batter strikes out and tosses his helmet thereby getting an ejection as he muttered a few choice words as well--next the bat goes flying over the top of the dugout where there is a 6 ft screen as well-- the bat lands and bounces behind the dugout where three ladies, one in her 80's were sitting and watching--if the bat bounces left instead of right it hits them--- back at the hotel I meet the coach and he is telling me the kid is cool for the next game because ejection rule states there is no suspension after ejection--I tell him ever so politely that if the kid suits up he can take the entire team home--there is no way that kid plays another game in my tournament---
Obviously he has been getting away with this in previous instances-- what is this coach teaching the kid
Tell you what--had I done that as a kid my dad would broken both my legs and I would have been thankful he did not kill me--
On our travel team we have our own rules and every kid knows them--break them and you leave--
TR---- 
BBScout, I was not addressing professional baseball and had no idea that you were.
For HS & college, I like to see players run on and off the field. There are many HS & college programs where the coach mandates sprinting on & off the field.
And for HS & college players, I always deem the use of sirs and mams to be a sign of a decent upbringing and a polite and mature young man.
I guess things are different on the left coast.
For HS & college, I like to see players run on and off the field. There are many HS & college programs where the coach mandates sprinting on & off the field.
And for HS & college players, I always deem the use of sirs and mams to be a sign of a decent upbringing and a polite and mature young man.
I guess things are different on the left coast.
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I don't like phoney hustle, and that is what running on and off at "MACH 1" is. You run out to your position at a good pace, not at mach 1.
I agree.
I don't like phoney yes, sir and no, sir, either.
It makes those in control FEEL good, though....
I appreciate genuine respect relative to the circumstances, and when I give it, I get it.
My son showed up for the first day of pro baseball and met the mgr. My son said "excuse me coach", well he got drilled for it. Got the don't call me coach, don't call me sir. Call me skip or call me Woody. Unless you like to run. My son answered yes, sir. They all had a good laugh.
I also agree about false hustle. Good post bbscout.
I also agree about false hustle. Good post bbscout.
Amen, TR!
Ah, the limits of the written word when talking about baseball....
When bbscout was describing the mach 1 yessir player, an image of a few guys I've watched along the way immediately sprang up in my mind. And they were the all-sizzle-no-steak-Eddie-Haskell guys, so I agreed.
As we all know, a lot of leeway will be given to the player who can do the job on the field. If he is a Player, he's hustling; if he's marginal, he's calling undue attention to himself. The components are colored by your perception of the whole.
When bbscout was describing the mach 1 yessir player, an image of a few guys I've watched along the way immediately sprang up in my mind. And they were the all-sizzle-no-steak-Eddie-Haskell guys, so I agreed.
As we all know, a lot of leeway will be given to the player who can do the job on the field. If he is a Player, he's hustling; if he's marginal, he's calling undue attention to himself. The components are colored by your perception of the whole.
Eric: "... yes, sir."
Woody: "I told you Not to call me Sir. Now take a lap around.......Bradenton."
Woody: "I told you Not to call me Sir. Now take a lap around.......Bradenton."
bbscout- I assume the "skip" refers to "skipper" (captain, etc). Also assume the manager doesn't want to be called coach because he isn't one! But I never knew there was a distinction- the things you learn on this site! 
I know my son would probably address the mgr as sir though, until he was invited to use first names. Just a matter of habit.
There may be some geographical distinctions- when we first moved to Tx from the East (Pa), I had to get used to all the "Mams and Sirs". After awhile it becomes second nature!
I know my son would probably address the mgr as sir though, until he was invited to use first names. Just a matter of habit.
There may be some geographical distinctions- when we first moved to Tx from the East (Pa), I had to get used to all the "Mams and Sirs". After awhile it becomes second nature!
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And they were the all-sizzle-no-steak-Eddie-Haskell guys....
Same guy in my mind, Orlando.............
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We are real good folks!!
Agreed, baseballmom, but there are a few Eddie Haskell's down there, too.
A little timid about asking why the managers are called "Woody", though..................
Just some personal opinions.
Some players look good sprinting on and off the field, others look like it's fake. Don't ask me why. I do prefer the normal professional pace, but see nothing wrong with the other. Afterall, maybe his coach or Dad has told him to do things that way.
I don't like to see hitters run like crazy on obvious foul balls.
I don't like to see hitters dog it down the line on ground balls. This happens way to much.
I hate to see hitters jog to 1B on pop ups and fly balls.
I love to see hitters going into 2B when the fly ball is being caught.
I love to see hitters rounding 1B correctly on basehits.
I don't like players calling me Mr. Ford, but I do appreciate the respect they show. Yes sir and no sir, do not bother me, but neither does Jerry or anything else that doesn't contain a lack of respect. It's always bothered me when a young player calls me by only my last name, even though I guess it is popular to do so now days.
I always watch to see how players talk and respect others, more than myself. That is what shows me what I want to see.
I agree with BBScout when it comes to anything fake. I want to see the real person because sooner or later that's what's going to surface.
I can live with most anything that shows the real person. My suggestion is to always be yourself. Afterall, people might just like the real you much better than the one you're trying to be. And you aren't likely to fool a good scout... They've seen just about every type! They will figure out what's real and what is fake.
I could go on forever, but I haven't got the time right now.
Some players look good sprinting on and off the field, others look like it's fake. Don't ask me why. I do prefer the normal professional pace, but see nothing wrong with the other. Afterall, maybe his coach or Dad has told him to do things that way.
I don't like to see hitters run like crazy on obvious foul balls.
I don't like to see hitters dog it down the line on ground balls. This happens way to much.
I hate to see hitters jog to 1B on pop ups and fly balls.
I love to see hitters going into 2B when the fly ball is being caught.
I love to see hitters rounding 1B correctly on basehits.
I don't like players calling me Mr. Ford, but I do appreciate the respect they show. Yes sir and no sir, do not bother me, but neither does Jerry or anything else that doesn't contain a lack of respect. It's always bothered me when a young player calls me by only my last name, even though I guess it is popular to do so now days.
I always watch to see how players talk and respect others, more than myself. That is what shows me what I want to see.
I agree with BBScout when it comes to anything fake. I want to see the real person because sooner or later that's what's going to surface.
I can live with most anything that shows the real person. My suggestion is to always be yourself. Afterall, people might just like the real you much better than the one you're trying to be. And you aren't likely to fool a good scout... They've seen just about every type! They will figure out what's real and what is fake.
I could go on forever, but I haven't got the time right now.
Coach May, I apologize if I got off of the subject earlier and went into a direction that you didn't want this thread to go in.
Attitude? If you tell me a kid throws a fit. If he is throwing his bat, helmet, etc. If you are telling me that he is causing a scene in any fashion, then this is only half of the story. What you are also saying is that this person, instead of being a good teammate and getting back into that dugout to root for thier teammates is drawing attention to himself. What he is doing is saying through action or word, "HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME. I'M MORE IMPORTANT THAT MY TEAMMATE HITTING. I'M MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS MOMENT THAT WINNING THIS GAME. GOSH, I'M UPSET. MOM AND DAD, TAKE A LOOK. I'M UPSET. I'M BETTER THAN THAT PITCHER. I'M BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU ALL SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT I MESSED UP AND I JUST DON'T DO THAT. ..." As a coach, I can't get past this attitude at all. I won't have it no matter who it is.
Attitude? If you tell me a kid throws a fit. If he is throwing his bat, helmet, etc. If you are telling me that he is causing a scene in any fashion, then this is only half of the story. What you are also saying is that this person, instead of being a good teammate and getting back into that dugout to root for thier teammates is drawing attention to himself. What he is doing is saying through action or word, "HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME. I'M MORE IMPORTANT THAT MY TEAMMATE HITTING. I'M MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS MOMENT THAT WINNING THIS GAME. GOSH, I'M UPSET. MOM AND DAD, TAKE A LOOK. I'M UPSET. I'M BETTER THAN THAT PITCHER. I'M BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU ALL SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT I MESSED UP AND I JUST DON'T DO THAT. ..." As a coach, I can't get past this attitude at all. I won't have it no matter who it is.
The kid sounds human to me...but after he calms down he should be instructed on how to deal with frustration in a competitve environment.
Had this problem with some of my players and taught them how to dela with frustration. Takes some patience, and they may back slide but it isn't all bad, it shows how much they want to do well.
Visualization and refocusing the intensity is the way to deal with it.
Had this problem with some of my players and taught them how to dela with frustration. Takes some patience, and they may back slide but it isn't all bad, it shows how much they want to do well.
Visualization and refocusing the intensity is the way to deal with it.
PGStaff & PiC:
One size does not fit all.
One size does not fit all.
Coach I totally agree with you. Any coach who does put up with this is not a coach at all.