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I wanted to see if there were any posters familiar with the elbow condition called Capitellar Osteochondritis Dissecans (OCD). I have friends that are in the process of getting opinions from several orthopedic doctors who specialize in elbows on what course of action to take to treat their 15 yr old son's condition. They are getting treatment recommendations from doctors but they would like to hear if there are any posters that are have had experience with this condition.

Thanks for your help.
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Our son was diagnosed with OCD 6 years ago as a 13 year old. Advice would be to find Orthopedic specializing in baseball injuries and elbows. OCD has had many studies in the last 7-8 years this condition used to be career ending and some orthopedics will still recommend this path. Find Doc who knows sons goals in baseball if son wants to play and get his recommendation. Our son has had 2 surgeries as 14 yr old and 16 yr old but has continued to play and arm now feels better than it has since he was 12 years old.As a parent we knew nothing of this disease and would probably do things different if we had the chance. The Arm should be your Main concern not how quick you get back from injury to the field as OCD is a very serious condition for an athlete.Don't be afraid to ask if the doctor has had much experience with OCD there are some in the South specializing in this particular problem.
My 15yr son was just told that he had OCD. About a year ago he was told that it was a facture of the growth plate. He did not throw for two months and went to therapy but lost a good amount of range of motion.
Next month he is scheduled to see sports orthopedic. He continues to play but does not pitch anymore but still catches, he never has pain or swelling but the lack of range of motion is affecting him now mentally.

One doctor said that surgery would be needed but that there is a chance that the range of motion could get worse.

Are there other options on how to treat this?
Two doctors want to clean up the joint to release the elbow. The fracture is healed but the x-ray shows a separation of the cartilage which might be keeping him from fully straightening his arm. Surgery is a scary option due to fact that it could get worse then better. He has no pain when throwing so it is a hard decision.
Wow - that is a tough decision. The sports ortho should have the best information for you. When 2B was first diagnosed, the doc (team doctor for UF baseball) said that a loss of some range of motion was fairly common among baseball players - injury or not. I will be interested to know what your guy says.

Before 2B had his MRI, the doc told us that microfracture surgery had proven to be very successful at treating OCD, and that it would be our best option if surgery was necessary. It's supposed to get new cartilage to grow, and I did read one study where athletes (gymnasts) were back in serious competition in 5 months. The problem is that the new cartilage may not be as strong as the old cartilage. We were lucky, though. The MRI looked good, no unstable fragments, so no surgery. A month later, the follow up X-ray looked good and the lesion was < 1 cm. He has no pain, range of motion is now even better than his left arm (ice and Alieve every day seems to have really helped), and he is back out on the field - he's a MIF, not a pitcher. We have another X-ray in 2 months. He won't start lifting weights again until it's completely clean, but he is OK to play.

Please let us know how it goes next month. Tell your son to hang in there!
He will be seeing the Dr on Feb 5th I will let you know what he said. My son had a 5cm separation. We went to a physical therapist about year ago and he said the same thing that a lot of major league pitchers have loss range of motion but that a then fourteen year old should not have it at his age.

I am starting to lean on not having surgery because he no longer pitches and catching at his school seems to be log jammed with juniors and seniors. He only catches on his travel team one game per weekend but on the high school team they have him in the outfield so that works to his advantage plus he can really hit so he can DH. Sad thing is most colleges do not recruit DH's.

The sad part is that he will always wonder “what if this would have never happened” as will I always wonder.

Good luck to your to son.

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I am fourteen years old and have OCD the lesion is border line severe. Seeing a really good Sports otrthopedic surgeon, he reccomends microfracture surgery, and says there is a 50 50 chance things will get better. With a 6+ month recovery no baseball. I would really appriciate any advice. Thanks you

You have a very simple answer ot this quesion at your age. How important is baseball to you? Let me point out, at 14, it may be your World. At 17, when you can drive, date and be social, it may be a PITA.

This is why we did not choose surgery for our son. at 18, still very talented and completely rehabbed, he thanked us. As he drove off with his GF and his free time.
Hi DI5. I am sorry to hear about your OCD! Is it in your elbow? The docs know best, of course, but since you might be in a period of rapid growth like 2B was/is, you might have a better chance of recovery without surgery if you just take some time off (as hard as that seems!). It's a question to ask your doc, anyway.

Since my January post above, we had a follow-up x-ray in April that showed new bone growth, so it's healing great, even while playing the whole season at 2B and leading the team in innings played. The doc expects it to heal completely by August, and 2B hopes to become MIF/P again. Smile
Here is an update on my friend's son who had OCD.

He had surgery in January to clean it up...I don't know all the particulars but the surgery went well and he now back to hitting, he still is not cleared to throw but so far so good...the doctor told them not to come back for follow-up unless he was experiencing pain. So far it has been a positive result.
After viewing all options and getting a second opinion from a docter who believed in not using surgery to heal the body. I decided to have a microfracture on the OCD. They removed the dead bone cleanded it out then did microfracture to stimulate bone and cartilage growth. It all grows back in six weeks but the cartilage takes up to 2 years to grow back. I had the surgery May 28th, and have been rehabbing through physical therapy i was in a sling for 6 weeks and got out nearly a week ago. I have nearly gained full range of motion and I am actively moving my elbow i start strengthening inless than twwo weeks and could be playing as soon as Sept. 2nd, but might skip fall ball just to stay on the safe side. But should make a full recovery by early november. and be able to try and play for my highschool.
"Normal."

That's what the doc said of the X-ray today. We went back for a re-check, and you can't even tell there was ever a problem. Doc said it was a "miracle" but I think it's just the growing human body doing what it does.

I guess if there is a "miracle" it is this: the first doc, back in December 07, said 3 months off, maybe surgery, and they couldn't even get him in for the MRI until after tryouts. We were devastated, until 2B dad said, "why don't you get a second opinion?"

The second opinion doc got him in for the MRI two days later, and said, no pitching, but go play 2B and have fun. So he led his HS varsity team in innings played, had a great season, and then played a rigorous summer schedule that included three week-long tournaments in which he played almost every inning of every game. Second base only, with one game in RF. Ice and Alieve every day. And now he is pain-free with no restrictions whatsoever and looking forward to the fall.

So the moral here is get a second opinion! It may not work out as well as it did for us, but it surely can't hurt. And the other part, more important, don't ignore the pain. Go see a doc and catch it early.
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My son was recently diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans (OCD), so I will post his experiences and what we learn for the benefit of those who are looking for information.  I am keeping an Evernote notebook of everything I read on the subject, and I would be happy to make it available.  Here is an excellent review of the studies on treatment of OCD:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435938/

 

Son is a 2016, 16 years old, 6'1" right handed pitcher and still growing (if he wasn't we probably wouldn't be having this conversation).  This injury is not due to over use.  Due to a "trigger point" or muscle spasm in his back in the early part of the season, he only pitched 18 innings (3 games) in the high school season.  We have followed the ASMI/Dr. James Andrews recommendations for pitchers.  He doesn't touch a baseball during basketball season.  OCD is a repetitive use injury, but not necessarily due to over use.  Some athletes just have a predisposition for it.

 

After the season, he experienced significant pain in the elbow and didn't have full range of motion.  He also described a "hit the funny bone" or electric shock feeling going down his forearm at times.  The range of motion was slightly limited, but there was no locking of the joint or grinding sensation.  We treated with ice, rest and anti-inflammatories; it seemed to improve.  I figured he had tendinitis and had him checked out by our GP.  He was concerned and sent us to a hand/elbow specialist with special interest in sports injuries.

 

After an x-ray and going over son's history, the dr. quickly diagnosed OCD and ordered an MRI.  Yesterday, we had the meeting to review the MRI.  It revealed a small, centrally located lesion.  There are no loose bodies floating around.  So, he has OCD but it is not severe and there are no complicating factors.  After discussing the treatment options, we will proceed with the arthroscopic surgery: debridement(getting rid of the damaged tissue) with microfracture to promote growth of blood vessels and replacement of the cartilage.  It is an outpatient procedure. The tissue that replaces the hyaline cartilage is fibrocartilage which is not as good, but should function fine in a very small spot.

 

A conservative approach has him returning to pitching around Jan. 1.  Other sports activity might begin in 3.  We shall see.  The next step is to schedule the surgery.

 

 

 

Son had OCD and underwent microfracture surgery 3 years ago with great results.  He did physical therapy and sat out from baseball for 6 months.  After that, the surgeon cleared him to return to baseball with no restrictions.  His coach was cautious with him and had him play at 1B for one season to limit the amount of throwing.  Then he resumed pitching and catching and has had no problems. 

Thank you for the good wishes.  I have the same questions that you asked, but no answers yet.  I have read that the general timeline for a return to pitching after OCD debridement is 6-9 months.  In approximately a week at the follow-up, he will have an x-ray which will establish the starting point of his healing, and periodic x-rays will monitor the progress. The PT will commence after the follow-up.  It would be nice if he could play basketball this winter and start throwing in January.  

Would love to hear updates - my son (14 - right-handed pitcher)was diagnosed with elbow OCD in early May 2014, and his doctor shut him down for 4 months rest only to have a loose body show up on his most recent x-ray. He is scheduled for surgery on Oct. 15th to remove the loose body and probable micro-fracture based on what the doctor sees once he gets in there. Would love to hear updates on progress and success stories.

The hole where the dead cartilage was removed has filled in with fibrocartilage (not as good as the original hyaline cartilage, but supposed to be functional).  The doctor says that everything is going as good as it can 3 months post-surgery.  He can shoot basketball now and do wall pushups.  The doctor expects that he will be swinging a bat in October.  He will be playing basketball this winter.  I guess that he will get into some light throwing by December.  At this point in time, he appears to be a normal 16 year old kid with no ill effects.  We remain hopeful that he will return to being a strong RHP.

 

BBallMom, I hope your son's lesion is small and centrally located (meaning it has healthy cartilage surrounding it).  I think you are wise to get the surgery done; my reading of the medical literature on the subject said that rest doesn't do much for OCD.  Get used to saying "No, it wasn't Tommy John surgery."

We have already had people say "I heard G is having Tommy John"! We are all just anxious for him to have the surgery so we have a more complete idea of what is going on inside there. So frustrating because we have always been protective of his arm and followed strict pitch counts. He also has no pain, but the loss of motion is definitely there.    Only problem now is that his Dr. Is the SF Giants doc and if they keep winning our sons surgery will get pushed back a couple weeks (and of course we are Giants fans).

Son was able to have surgery on the 15th so we have started the post surgical journey. Lesion was centrally located and had good surrounding cartilage so Doctor feels really good about how everything went. They removed 2 loose bodies, performed a microfracture and he did a platelet rich plasma injection. We went back yesterday and they removed the bandages and put him in a brace, he will start PT next week and we will go back to the doctor in a month.

Glad to hear everything went well and that the lesion was centrally located.  My son's doc is extremely pleased with his recovery.  He has been cleared for BP and can do bodyweight exercises.  He is 4 months post-surgery now.  I have had to keep an eye on him during his recovery - not to encourage him to do any exercises, but to rein him in from doing too much of anything he is allowed to do.  He went a little overboard with pushups last week.  He decided to run cross-country this fall.  I think that helped satisfy his competition cravings, let him be part of a team, and I wonder if it helped his recovery by stimulating blood flow.  

Hello,

I saw this post and felt the need to create an account to share my experience with OCD. I'm sorry to hear all of the concerns and unfortunate news about this injury for a young ballplayer. My name is Matt Hernandez and I'd like to share my experience, hopefully being able to inspire those kids and parents, that it's not the end of the road or a dead end for a kids dreams. I'd consider my OCD a success, as well as something I do hold close and dearly on as an emotional matter. I feel I may possibly be someone has pitched the longest after this surgery. Being diagnosed with OCD at 14, had the surgery before my freshman year of baseball in 2005. Unfortunately, my growth plate had detached from my left elbow (throwing arm) and ended up getting a one inch screw in my elbow. Not sure if this method is still used now. It was devastating being 14 and told my odds of a full recovery were 50/50 in fully recovering in throwing terms. Continued to pitch for nearly the next 10 years and never had any problems actually never had soreness. Proper rehab and a positive attitude, I was fortunate enough to have a successful baseball career throughout high school, Division 1 and Minor league baseball. Though, oddly enough I've never had a chance or come across another person with the same injury as mine, having met hundreds and hundreds of fellow players throughout my journey, I felt I was always the only one. I hope my story inspires young players who face this injury that it is not the end of a dream and anything is possible, as I am living proof for those kids and parents who go through this injury together. 

MattyHern28 - Thanks you so much for your post. Being that my son is only 2 weeks in to a 6+ month recovery, positive news is very helpful.  It's so hard to find any long-term follow-up other than a few very vague hard to understand medical studies.  There are few places my son would rather be than on a pitchers mound and hearing stories like yours will help him believe he can return there.

Not a problem at all. It's really enjoyable and important almost like duty that I should inspire those who's shoes I've been in, and now give that hope too others, that I never had someone give me during that experience.

My elbow now is fine. Minor stiffness at first if its cold. But I was always smart about it. I took time off in the falls and played football, never played in summer leagues in college. Most likely a key factor of my longevity.

The rehab...hmm looking back I was 14 during my rehab so I'm trying to dig deep in my memory. I've become more knowledgeable of the exercises now because they became routine in college and pro ball. So I was in a hard cast from fingers to half way up my bicep for 6 weeks, after getting it off the first exercise was putting my entire arm in this fish tank like sized box of sand that was heated and almost felt like it was wet because it was churning around. It was like a Jacuzzi. I would do circular movements, like you would in a rice bucket for 15-20 minutes. They always referred to wanting my arm to be "beet red" after meaning there's a lot of circulation and blood flow. This would help get those muscles working and building over time. Then over time. I'd progress to small weighted balls and flicking them into a trampoline. I honestly don't remember my throwing program but I'd say I began from light toss 45ft. and patiently progressed back each time. Mainly focusing on the quality of the catch not the quantity of how many throws. The rehab was sort of unique, in ways similar to a tommy john but on the other hand not exactly, because I didn't have a ligament replaced just a screw drilled through my elbow. Most of the rehab was to gain movement, strength and mobility back. To be completely honest a great amount of my rehab was also strengthening my shoulder, there were a lot of rotator cuff exercises.  For example, facing the wall doing circular motions with a towel. Bouncing a fitness ball overhead against the wall. Laying on my side, rolled up towel under my armpit, 2.5-5lb weight in my hand and slowly lifting up and down at a 90 degree angle. The shoulder should never be forgotten about, often guys who had a shoulder injury the next issue is their elbow such as tommy john. You hardly see it in reverse order, going from an elbow to the shoulder. I hope that makes sense. Information on All these basic exercises can be easily found online now a days. 

There are many websites you can find information, but in my opinion the best out there is my trainer Lee Fiocchi, from Dynamic Sports Training. His company ran our team at U of Houston and trained along his other athletes such as Carl Crawford, Scott Kazmir, Trevor Bauer and Michael Bourn. Zero arm injuries at the school in his 3 years, his arm programs blow the one's we did in the Angels organization out of the water. As a result pitchers were dropping like flies with injuries.

 

Haha well long story short I'm the middle of there boys. Only left hander in the family. But Im naturally right handed hitter. I started to switch hit at 10. Lance Berkman was my guy haha. But it was natural for me, switch hit up to college and went straight left handed as a two way player. But now i just put L/L ever since college and pro ball. 
(Haha I was a cage rat. Lots of tee work everyday. It was a lot of work to not favor a side)
Well with my surgery I had that screw that was exposed and very sensitive even to a flick for over a year... So i sat our football wasn't taking a helmet to the elbow ha. Umm yes I'd start with body weight after rehab. Just Pushups, not too heavy but helps strengthen and not stress the elbow too much. I'd recommend tons of lower body. The term building from the ground up. It all starts from a solid base and core. The rest will come from supporting the weight
Yes I could really feel it after throwing a football in the fall before I had surgery in December. I could felt it lock or just nothing behind my ball. They think I pitched on it for some time.. I had a long run with those Williamsport teams and stuff, I was maybe throwing 70mph going into hs. Then low 80s post surgery the summer between my freshman and sophomore year when I was cleared to pitch. But velocity is over rated. Its all location. The change up no breaking balls

Yes it did. But of course after being in a cast and rehabbing it was pretty stiff to start. But I mean I've thrown a lot of innings after. And Yes after 9 years at 23. I developed minor arthritis. Which is going to happen with my elbow being hinged by a screw and over 100,000's of throws. But I'd take Celebrex during pro ball. But its really not a major problem at all. The strength is there. Say if I were doing DB bench. my right arm is stronger and bigger than my left. But my left is more stable and locks out first. So its all about stability. For me it was cold whether and having metal id need a few throws close to get the elbow going and after that its good to go.

My son is 14 years old, and is a pitcher. He has played baseball since 4 years old. He plays other positions, as well as pitcher. He was diaginosed with Capitellar OCD w/ small joint effusion (Localized fragmentation of the bone, no definite loose body identified) ~ my son cannot straighten his elbow at all, and has chronic pain. His 1st xray was about a month ago (along w/ MRI) He has not thrown, swung a bat, NOTHING involving the elbow in about a month. Because his pain is getting worse, I returned to Dr. and they took another x ray, and there was no change, no improvement. One dr. says surgery, another says rest for 3 months.....just want anyones opinion on this. He has had tendonitis of the same elbow for 2 years prior.

Hi - baseballsurfmom, If your son is anxious to get back to playing my advice would be to have the surgery now if you have a good doctor with OCD experience who wants to do it now. My son finally had his surgery on October 15th, prior to that he had rested it for 4 months and x-rays did show improvement but as soon as he started light throwing again he ended up with loose bodies and could not straighten his arm all the way.  The first step is always rest but it seems like most of the kids end up needing surgery anyways. After the rest and then the recovery from surgery it will put my son at 1 year without any baseball and he will probably not be doing any pitching for an additional 3 or 4 months after that.

My son goes back to his ortho today at 4:20 - almost 5 months post surgery.  Everything has gone very well,  We are hopeful that we will start talking about a return to throwing, maybe establish a timetable.  

 

Baseballsurfmom - do you want to have the surgery done now or in 3 months?  He is going to have the surgery; it is just a question of when it is done.  I'm not a doctor, so my opinion is worth everything you paid for it, but I have given you the situation in a nutshell.  I faced the same choice.

He was released for wall or table pushups at 3 months post surgery with pushups and light weights added at 4 months.  He has played in 2 basketball games with no problems at all.

 

His doc stressed the importance of doing the rotator cuff exercises (Jobe's).  He is almost more concerned about the risk of injury to the shoulder after the long layoff than he is about the elbow.

Well all right!  Just finished another throwing session.  He started at 30 feet, then to 45, 60 now 90.  In addition to warming up, he does 2 sets of 25 at a distance then, after a day or two of rest, 3 sets of 25 at that distance, then moves up.  Under this program, once a player completes 180', he is considered ready to return to position play, and a pitcher can start mound throwing.  

 

He is having no problems at all to this point.  I have to get him to ease up at times; he wants to accelerate the program.  I am more concerned about my arm.  I am the only one with soreness the day after a workout.  I'm not looking forward to those 120' sessions.

 

So my son went for his 4 month post-op appointment yesterday, so far he has been progressing great with full range of motion back and no pain at all.  We had an MRI last week because the Dr. wanted to see how the inside was looking.  The Dr. said everything looks great actually way better than he was expecting for only 4 months post-op, the ocd is all filled in with cartilage, he is cleared to start hitting but it should be a gradual progression starting with just swinging the bat, then tee, soft toss, to full hitting over the next 6 weeks, then he will start a throwing program. He said a little pain that goes away should be expected but any pain that sticks around then we back off and slow down. So really good news, as far as the Dr. is concerned my son is healing ahead of schedule and should have a complete recovery.  How is your son doing southdsidevadad? 

Glad to hear your boy is progressing nicely.  I'm glad your note came up in my e-mail as I have been meaning to post something.  He has completed his throwing program which finished with 3 sets of 25 throws at 180 feet.  Now he has added flat ground bullpen sessions.  We went back to the doctor on Wednesday.  The hole has filled in and everything looks fine.  We do not have to go back to see the doctor unless something starts hurting.  He will be on short starts, of course, and will continue to build his pitching stamina.  We will monitor his elbow carefully, but so far he has had no discomfort at all.  

I had posted on here about 4 months ago about my sons elbow, and after full rst for 4 months his OCD in elbow had not healed at all, but actually got worse even with full rest. He is 15, and had surgery yesterday ~Over 4 hours surgery  ~ The surgery included Right elbow arthroscopy, osteochondial fixation, drilling, open osteochondrial graft from the knee.
2 incisions on elbow, 1 on knee. He is home now, arm has nerve block from anesestia (sp?) which should last throughout the day, so arm is numb. He is in a lot of pain, especially knee area, and elbow is starting to hurt too. Go back to Dr. on Friday. Please let me know if anyone has had this procedure or something similiar, and what to expect for the next few days. Thanks in advance.

I kept an Evernote notebook of medical articles about OCD.  The reviews of the operation your son had (I believe it is called Osteochondral Autograft Transfer or OAT) are very good.  The studies show that he should be able to throw without pain in 6 months, and he should return to playing baseball at the same level after full rehabilitation.  From what I have read, his operation sounds normal.  The OAT procedure involves a little more pain because 2 joints are being operated on.  The hardest part is now over and he can look forward to getting back to normal!

 

Do you know the size of his lesion and whether it extended to the margin of the cartilage? From what I have read, it is performed on larger lesions or ones that are not completely surrounded by cartilage.  As my son's was relatively small, the recommended procedure for him was the debridement and microfracture.

 

I hope that he is feeling better and is now on the road to full recovery.

Yes, it was the OATS procedure. His lesion was approx 1.5 cm X 1.7 cm. There was basically a "pit" in his elbow that was removed. Usually only cartilage is taken out of knee, but because it was so bad, bone had to also be taken. Needless to say, his elbow was a mess! My son had not pitched alot in the last year. (since Middle school anyways) But, he did admit after the surgery that his elbow had been bothering him a few months prior to him telling us. I guess it was like a dull ache, everytime he threw the ball. But just not bothering him enough to say anything. He was playing with a 16 yr old team, and he was only 14, and doing good, and he wanted to play. His passion for baseball is beyond measure, so he just kept going. Unfortunately this is the outcome. Trying to stay positive, and he is determined to come back stronger than before, so that is great! We are getting pics on Friday with exact measurements of lesion, ect. Thanks for the reply! 

Two years after his surgery, my son completed his high school athletic career with no lingering elbow problems.  He finally got into lifting weights and the lifelong contact hitter suddenly discovered that he had power (2 home runs on senior night were special).  He made first team all state for private schools.   Rather than continue his baseball career at a D3 school, he chose a large state university and entered the Air Force ROTC, so I think he has joined a very good team and will do just fine.  

Good wishes to all of you baseball parents.  I hope you all treasure your sons' time in high school baseball; it goes quickly!  

Update on where we are at:

My son Nick had a lesion that was 6 mm x 7mm centrally located with a loose body.  Arthroscopic surgery at the University of Wisconsin to remove the loose fragment, debridement, and microfracture on 8/31.  He was in a sling until 9/9 and then began physical therapy with about 6 weeks of range of motion and 6 weeks of strengthening therapy.  To keep him sane we continued to have him take infield ground balls a month after surgery which kept him optimistic about rehab and helped his range of motion.

He was cleared to take batting practice and begin rehab throwing on 12/1 which is where we are at now.  Throwing rehab program is a gradual build up over 4-6 weeks from 30 feet to 120 feet and then on to UW Sports Medicine's throwing program sometime in January.  He throws and hits with no pain, full range of motion, and all looks good so far. 

My son had an arthroscopic procedure with loose body removal and micro fracture last week. His lesion ended up being about 10mm in diameter. Hoping that recovery goes well and he can return to the sport he loves. Did anyone make use of any collagen (or other) supplements during recovery? I know time and patience are the two biggest things to focus on going forward....

KIDDDEUCE -

I posted about my son previously in this post but haven't given an update in a while and I know how nice it is to hear positive outcome stories when you are going through this.  My son had the same procedure as your son his freshman year of high school, his surgery was in October 2014 so by the time his baseball season came around he was able to bat but did not pitch or play in the field.  His sophmore year he was back to normal and made the varsity team.  He had a good season and had no problems at all although we made sure to stay conservative with the amount of pitching he did.  He also had a very successful summer baseball season, pitching and playing outfield.  This year as a junior he is the #1 pitcher for varsity and so far is 8-0 for the season.  He has had no issues at all with his arm since his surgery and we are grateful.  I do have him take glucosamine chondroitin and vitamin D, I don't know if it helps but I know it doesn't hurt.  Good luck!   

MuskyShane posted:

Update on where we are at:

My son Nick had a lesion that was 6 mm x 7mm centrally located with a loose body.  Arthroscopic surgery at the University of Wisconsin to remove the loose fragment, debridement, and microfracture on 8/31.  He was in a sling until 9/9 and then began physical therapy with about 6 weeks of range of motion and 6 weeks of strengthening therapy.  To keep him sane we continued to have him take infield ground balls a month after surgery which kept him optimistic about rehab and helped his range of motion.

He was cleared to take batting practice and begin rehab throwing on 12/1 which is where we are at now.  Throwing rehab program is a gradual build up over 4-6 weeks from 30 feet to 120 feet and then on to UW Sports Medicine's throwing program sometime in January.  He throws and hits with no pain, full range of motion, and all looks good so far. 

While I am sorry that you had to experience this injury, I am appreciate that you shared your experience regarding your son.  My son was diagnosed with a 5mm lesion but it is stable.  We just met with the UW doctor and he stated that surgery is not recommended at this time.  While on the surface this is good news, the unfortunate thing is that he has already been resting his arm for the last 18 months.  We have heard that it is 80% healed but he has hit a plateau because he has not seen much improvement for the last 8 months.  As a result, we have no idea if/when this thing will heal.  I am wondering if anyone out there has had such a long recovery (with no surgery) and actually had eventual luck in becoming 100% healed?  Since it has been so long, we are just wondering if this will ever fully heal on its own?

Ballgame 23 ~ 

 

How old is your son? 18 months is a long time to rest with only 80% healing. Depending on his age....I would definitely get a 2nd and even 3rd opinion. My son was diaginosed when he was 14, he rested for about 6 months, only to find out his elbow was getting worse, even with resting it. So they did surgery. There are plenty of success stories where conserative (resting) will heal.....but personally I wish we didn't have to wait the 6 months before doing the surgery. My son missed his whole freshman year of high school recovering and doing physical therapy. He basically was out almost a year and a half with resting , sugery and recovery. I think age plays an important factor. He is fine now....he had bilateral OCD, he has surgery on right elbow, and 4 months later his left elbow had the same...and had to have surgery again. I guess the one bright spot is you say the lesion is stable. I would definitely get a few more opinions. 

My son had is surgery in late August 2016 at University of Wisconsin Children's Hospital.  All went well.  Thing I would say is FOLLOW THE REHAB PROTOCOL.  We did with my son and he was back rehab throwing in December 2016 and was fully cleared in January 2017.  However a kid from the neighboring town had the same surgery and same PT and did not follow the rehab.  He cannot fully straighten his arm.

Hello

My son just turned 13 last week and was diagnosed with OCD eblow a month ago. Surgery is scheduled for May 1, 2018 in Boston at Massachusetts General Hospital with Dr. Luke Oh. 

In September 2017 we saw an Orthopedic Surgeon at Boston Children's Hospital.  After an x-ray it was recommended to rest for 6 weeks and participate in PT for a few months.  My son did  that and did not throw until January 2018.  His elbow never felt perfect but by March 2018 it hurt enough that we went back to Dr.  He took another x-ray which showed a new 'spot' so an MRI was ordered the next week.  He was diagnosed with OCD due to the results of the MRI and the treatment was absolutely no throwing or anything else for 6 months. Updated MRI in September 2018 and we would see if it is healing or if he needs surgery.

We went for a second opinion last week with an Orthopedic Surgeon who specializes in OCD elbow and other sports related injuries. He is also a Dr in Boston but a different hospital.  He said the OCD is not going to heal in 6 months and ultimately he will have surgery anyway.  

We are concerned with our son's emotional stability as he had to drop out of his AAU team and he is not able to do anything at all.  We have decided to go ahead with the surgery.

The above posts are a few years old and it would be so helpful to hear updates or thoughts on how things have gone for your child.   I have read that some children don't get full range of motion back and I have read that children are pitching again and have had a great recovery.  

I know every child is different but any input would help!
Thank you

We are 19 months post-surgery and all is well.  My son had a full return to baseball within 4 ½ months of surgery with no issues.  FOLLOW THE REHAB PROTOCOL!  From hearing the surgeon and PTs talk, it is the kids that are lazy and do not follow the rehab protocol that have issues like decreased range of motion.  Even when my son rolled his eyes at me, we rehabbed.  In terms of where he is at now, he has not lost anything at all – you would never know he had an issue.   Sometimes we even think it was good for him.  But you have to keep him together emotionally and focused on a return to baseball if that is his goal.  Here are some of the things we did:

 

  • One handed hitting drills with his front hand. He can still work on his swing to continue to make progress as a player.
  • Short hops and picks at 1B. Regardless of whether he is a 1B, short hops and pick drills will make him a better fielder as he comes back.  And he does not have to use his rehabbing arm.
  • Infield ground balls with no return throws. As rehab progresses, hit ground balls to him without return throws.  Focus on his footwork. 
  • There will come a time when he is cleared to start “rehab hitting” – ease into it. We hit 2X week during this period.  First week was whiffle balls, second week was tennis balls, 3rd week was hitting off a tee, 4th-6th week was front toss. 

 

You would be surprised how you can take a kid who is rehabbing his throwing arm and still have a productive practice that keeps him progressing.  It is good for the mental side of things. 

Barbra17, here is our experience.  

I recently had to revisit all of my son's records.  As previously posted, he elected not to play college baseball, instead going to college and joining the Air Force ROTC.  In going through the military medical review process, we discovered that OCD is a potentially disqualifying condition.  When you state that you have been treated for OCD, you will get Medical Review Board's full attention.  He had to produce all medical and physical therapy records.  Then, they required a current surgeon's examination (he described the elbow as "perfect", the approx. 10 mm diameter lesion fully healed, 100% range of motion).  Then they required a current MRI, which was done on 2/20/18, a little short of 4 years after his surgery.  Thank god the military paid for the MRI; my insurance carrier certainly wouldn't.  The MRI report was that he had a fully healed elbow with no adverse effects.  

Last week he was called into the office of the commander of his detachment.  As his last encounter with the colonel was not entirely pleasant, he was rather worried.  He was informed that he was being awarded an AFROTC scholarship.  At a state school, it is basically a full ride plus a $450 per month stipend and $300 per semester for books.  As you can imagine, he was elated and I felt like I had hit the lottery.

 

 

 

Our son (now 14 and in 8th grade) was diagnosed with OCD when he was 11.  He sat out from baseball for about 4 months with the hope that the lesion would heal without surgery.  He then played with no further problems until last summer (13) when the OCD lesion (>10mm) separated and lodged in his elbow joint (resulting in significant pain and inability to straighten his arm).  After considering his surgical options and seeking three different expert opinions, in September, we decided to go with his primary ortho's advice, which was arthroscopic surgery to remove the loose body, debridement and possible microfracture.  Fortunately, when the surgeon got inside the elbow, he found that the lesion had already started to heal (fill in with new cartilage) so he removed the loose body and did not go forward with the debridement or microfracture.   Looking back, we believe the lesion may have actually separated in June, but did not lodge in the joint until August so it had time to begin healing prior to the surgery.  (Note:   Before the surgery, we discussed having the surgeon perform the more involved OAT procedure because we know that our son will want to continue playing sports long-term, and many articles indicated that the long-terms success rate with the OAT procedure was very high.  However, our surgeon recommended going with the less intrusive procedure first with the understanding that if it did not work, our son could then undergo the OAT procedure.)

Surgery took place in late September.  Surgeon had son moving the elbow within a week and started physical therapy 2X/week within two weeks of surgery, which continued through January.  By the end of physical therapy, he had full range of motion back in is elbow with no pain.

Son started hitting around Christmas and started a throwing program in early January.  Played his first baseball game in early February and has had no problems with the OCD area this spring playing a full schedule, while also playing basketball.  (Note:  We have not let him pitch, but he has caught some games, and otherwise played various positions in the field.)  We keep a very close eye on him to make sure he isn't experiencing any pain or range of motion issues, and so far so good.

One thing that we believe helped his recovery is he was VERY highly motivated to get back to baseball and other sports.  As a result, he was kind of a fanatic with his physical therapy, and he and continues with his PT and other exercises everyday.  Also, to make him continue to feel part of his team, his travel coaches allowed him to take on a physical trainer role while he couldn't throw or hit.  He developed a speed/strength training regimen for the team that they continue to do at practice.  Having a great supporting cast of family, coaches and teammates is key.

I'm sorry to have created such a long post, but reading about other families dealing with the same condition has really helped me in dealing with my son's OCD.  If you have any questions regarding our son's ongoing OCD journey or would like to discuss your son's options, feel free to PM me.  I wish you and your son all the best! 

  

Just to be clear, my previous post was primarily directed to Barbra17 since her son is getting ready to go through a similar procedure.  However, I would be happy to PM or speak with anyone dealing with the OCD issue.  Also, I want to thank all of the previous posters, MATTHERN28, BBALLMOMG13, SOUTHSIDEVADAD, MUSKYSHANE, BASEBALLSURFMOM and any others I may have missed, that have taken the time to post about their childrens' OCD experiences.  When my son was first diagnosed, I feared it was the end of his baseball journey, but your posts gave me hope that he can continue to play the game he loves.  

I am new to this and not sure how to private message but will try to figure it out .  I can't thank you enough for your post.  There is a desperate feeling as a parent to make sure you are doing what is right with the hopes your child can continue to play something they love so much.  It's part of his identity.  This has been very hard but your responses have truly helped me a great deal.  Despite all of the research my husband and I are doing, I am learning more by reading these posts.Thank you

Thank you JDubsdad, I appreciate that shout out. Love all the good news!! It takes a special parent and parents with the support like everyone on this chat and raising good kids who buy in and trust it and have a passion.  It has been 4 years and a long time Since replying, but I have watched from afar and keeping up. I have since become a science teacher and HS pitching coach, throwing baskets of batting practice, playing catch with the kids every day now at 28 and 15 years after surgery my OCD and Screw are doing okay! 

Matty, 

Congratulations on becoming a teacher and high school coach.  Those are both positions where you have the opportunity to influence a lot of kids' futures. It's too bad that you are in Texas or I might hire you to throw some BP sessions for my son.  My old shoulder is not what it once was (son keeps telling me to move closer in BP and I'm throwing as hard as I can!).

I would be interested in some insight from anyone who has had a son diagnosed with OCD and had it treated with OATS recently.  My son had his original surgery in January 2021.  Original surgery was loose body removal and micro fracture.  Never regained full ROM, but went though six months of PT without problems and returned to playing successfully.  Started feeling pain again this summer and we are now scheduling OATS based on two ortho evaluations.  Everything I’ve read about OATS is mostly positive, however, the orthos we’ve spoken with are not optimistic about a return to baseball.  Any insight or experience would be much appreciated.  

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