If a player steals base, but catcher does not attempt to throw him out, no chance to get him, does it count against catchers thrown out percentage. Thanks in advance
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Anytime a stolen base is awarded to the runner it will go against a catcher's caught stealing percentage.
Runner stealing and pitcher airmails it to the backstop is generally (if not always) awarded as a stolen base thus will count in any calculation.
Imagine that is why most coaches/recruiters/scouts concern themselves with pop time and velocity. Those are almost solely in the control of the catcher. Stolen bases or caught stealing involve a lot of other factors and other players.
Runner stealing and pitcher airmails it to the backstop is generally (if not always) awarded as a stolen base thus will count in any calculation.
Imagine that is why most coaches/recruiters/scouts concern themselves with pop time and velocity. Those are almost solely in the control of the catcher. Stolen bases or caught stealing involve a lot of other factors and other players.
quote:Originally posted by BackstopDad32:
Anytime a stolen base is awarded to the runner it will go against a catcher's caught stealing percentage.
Runner stealing and pitcher airmails it to the backstop is generally (if not always) awarded as a stolen base thus will count in any calculation.
Imagine that is why most coaches/recruiters/scouts concern themselves with pop time and velocity. Those are almost solely in the control of the catcher. Stolen bases or caught stealing involve a lot of other factors and other players.
I suspect the reason scouts choose not to give catcher’s stats like PBs or caught stealing percentage, is because many many scorers can’t tell the difference between a WP, PB, or when a SB should be scored.
quote:Originally posted by kevin25:
If a player steals base, but catcher does not attempt to throw him out, no chance to get him, does it count against catchers thrown out percentage. Thanks in advance
In OBR, there is no defensive statistic for 'caught stealing' it is only a statistic for baserunners.
I don't know how the "percentage against" is calculated. One could guess, but as an extreme example, I just came from a HS game where a slow crafty lefty had runners running on first movement. He was so slow he would stop his motion and throw behind the runners to first, only to have them be safe at second. Does this count against the catcher? I don't know, but in these cases he was nothing but a frustrated observer.
I'm sure stats can quote some great criteria for how this statistic is generated.
JMoff,
As you know, there are some things about scorekeeping that seem flat out unfair, and this is one of them. The reason its unfair, is exactly what’s been said. SBPct is a base running metric, not a defensive quantification of a catcher. A lot of people like to point at it in order to say something about a catcher, but it doesn’t take a lot of thought to burst any bubble, good or bad.
If anyone’s interested in what I do for the catchers, you can go to http://www.infosports.com/scor...r/images/ccounts.pdf and do a find on “CAT1”. Its really no better about the SBPct, but I think it adds a lot to be able to see how the catchers do when the various pitchers throw.
As you know, there are some things about scorekeeping that seem flat out unfair, and this is one of them. The reason its unfair, is exactly what’s been said. SBPct is a base running metric, not a defensive quantification of a catcher. A lot of people like to point at it in order to say something about a catcher, but it doesn’t take a lot of thought to burst any bubble, good or bad.
If anyone’s interested in what I do for the catchers, you can go to http://www.infosports.com/scor...r/images/ccounts.pdf and do a find on “CAT1”. Its really no better about the SBPct, but I think it adds a lot to be able to see how the catchers do when the various pitchers throw.
Wouldn't the situation be scored as Defensive Indifference? If that is the case it does not count as a stolen base and would not go against the catcher's numbers.
quote:Originally posted by IEBSBL:
Wouldn't the situation be scored as Defensive Indifference? If that is the case it does not count as a stolen base and would not go against the catcher's numbers.
No. Defensive indifference is when they are not even holding the runner on and are willing to give up the base as opposed to when the catcher doesn't even attempt a throw for other reasons.