CIF approves new bat changes for 2011

Or you can buy the brand new composite sitting in my closet.Easton stealth, and a brand new Demarini.Never could use them since sons school uses N IKE.

The Easton still has the wrapper on. 400.00 bat.It is a replacement bat for a broken one.

Sell it to

Not unless they wear helmets.That is a huge safety issue.

If one of them was hit with a ball it could cause memory loss.

Just joking.

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Originally posted by BOF:
Sell it to

Is she calling her shot? It looks like one of those "rolled bats"

I suspect perfomance enhancing drugs.

Looks like the bats are becoming available so we can expect the CIF to enforce the rule. I stole this from the post in the General section.

Mattingly%20V-Force%20BBCOR%20Baseball%20Bat]Eastbay BBCOR Bats

The CIF has been very clear about the change. The relevant passage from their latest bulletin is below. The idea is that if bats are not widely available, the BBCOR change will be delayed.

In my opinion, bats are likely to be widely available. Sporting Goods stores with inventories of BESR bats are not happy about this. The bat companies are not happy about it either. But the production runs required to supply college baseball are big enough that the BBCOR bats are likely to be available throughout CA. Just one man's opinion...

CIF bulletin regarding BBCOR Bats (excerpted):

8. Q: When will I be able to purchase an aluminum bat that meets the
new standards?

A: Since the CIF is accelerating the implementation of aluminum bats to
2010-2011 instead of 2011-2012, the bat manufacturers are just learning
of the CIF action. It is anticipated that aluminum bats will be
available prior to January 1, 2011. If the aluminum bats that meet the
new standards are not available statewide, aluminum bats meeting the
current Ball Exit Speed Ratio (BESR) standards will be allowed. As the
school year progresses, updates to this question will be posted on the
CIF Web site: ciftstate.org.

9. Q: What exactly do you mean by "available statewide"?

A: Schools and individuals will have the same opportunity to purchase
aluminum bats from their normal sources, regardless of where they live.
As the year progresses, CIF will monitor the availability of these bats.
Availability updates will be posted on the CIF Web site.

PS. Regardless of the BBCOR/BESR decision, it is clear that all the composite bats are OUT for this year unless they are BBCOR compliant.

Saw the new Nike bats in action this week-end during a scrimmage. Very obvious difference in how far the ball carries and how it sounds off the bat. I really wonder how much "wiggle room" there is in the BBCOR specs? I think my son's team is actually going to try different brands to see if there is a noticeable difference. Seems like these bats will really change the game.

Fan Of Game- we're in trouble! ( Her son's school uses Nike bats too)

CaBB,

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Saw the new Nike bats in action this week

Nike bats were horrible last year.I wish they would stick with making clothes.Nike bats put teams at a severe disadvantage.

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I'm still confused by the CIF Q&A page, specifically question 4. http://www.cifstate.org/sports/other/baseball.html

4. Q: Will I be able to use the composite bat I used last year?

A: Probably not. However, the NFHS will allow waivers or modifications under certain circumstances as long as the composite bats meet the current BESR standards AND pass the new ABI procedure. The composite bats meeting this waiver or modification will be posted on the CIF Web site, cifstate.org, as the information becomes available. (It is anticipated very few bats will meet the waiver requirements.)

The top of the Q&A page links the NFHS waiver approved BESR-ABI composite bats, but it wouldn't make sense for these hotter BESR bats to be legal in CA when aluminum bats must meet BBCOR. I'm thinking that CIF may have just cut and pasted info from NHFS, but it may cause some people to buy these bats, only to find out they may not be legal for CA HS play. If the bats on this list are truly approved by CIF, it would seem worthwhile to get one for just this year. Any one have a different interpretation of the website info?

Heres some updates posted by CIF as of 10/1/10

http://www.cifstate.org/sports/other/baseball.html

So the updated (10/1/10) response for Question 4 says:
UPDATE: A list of non-wood bats meeting the approved waiver is now posted. Click on the link to the NFHS Web site that is provided. THESE BATS ARE ONLY APPROVED FOR 2010-11 and will not be approved for 2011-12.

This implies that the waiver approved BESR/ABI composite bats will be legal in CA for 2010-11, but I still don't think that is correct as it contradicts the required BBCOR standard. Anybody know someone at CIF to get a clarification?

We are goining to be staying away from the comps for a while. As far as im concerned none of those comps approved were very good last year. The only one I ever saw being used was the CF4. I'm confused on this Tamper evident stamp is it for comps only or does it apply to alloy bats to. So if you get a BBCOR bat for 2011 and it dosent have the Tamper evident stamp it might not be legal for 2012. It sounds like they did not do their home work on this BBCOR decision or maybe I did not understand it right.


2. Q: What are the new standards for composite bats?

A: They must meet the BBCOR standards that include the Accelerated Break In (ABI) procedure and these bats will be affixed with some type of decal/stamp/silkscreen mark that indicates the bat is BBCOR compliant. In 2010-11, these bats do not need to be affixed with a “tamper evident” stamp/decal or have a stamp/decal that indicates the type of material contained in the barrel of the bat. (It is anticipated that the bat manufacturers, which produce a BBCOR-compliant bat this year, will meet the “tamper evident” seal displayed on the barrel of the bat decal/stamp, but it is possible that bats which have only the BBCOR compliant stamp/decal will be produced.)
UPDATE: Information that we've received indicates the "tamper evident" mark will not be on the 2010-11BBCOR approved bats list. In that case, the "tamper evident" mark will not be required this year.


3. Q: If I purchase a composite bat for the 2010-11 season that only has the BBCOR compliant mark, will the bat be legal in the 2011-12 school year?

A: At this point, no. Starting in 2011-12, all legal non-wood bats must have all the compliance marks as indicated previously.
UPDATE: Our sources indicate some type of "tamper evident" technology will be available next year, 2011-12. Once a definitive answer is available, the CIF will determine the best course of action to take.

The CIF has hosed this up so bad. Why? Because of the bat companies. Would have been much better to go with wood, even if it was for 2 years. Now there is no clear solution, some bats may or may not be usable.

There is no way they have these bats out in time for the high school season.........either go to wood or put it off until 2012 like the other 49 states.

I have heard that BBCOR will not happen this year due to availability, and will be in effect next season. The bat folks could not meet the demand that quickly. A pretty hosed up deal.

I hope thats true. But after the way the CIF has messed this up they wont decide untill the last minute.

Update via LA Times today:

LA Times Varsity Insider


"Marie Ishida, executive director of the CIF, said Wednesday that a list of BBCOR-approved bats should be available by next week from the National Federation of State High School Assns. website and should be available for purchase at Sports Authority and other commercial outlets as early as December.

Sports Authority has agreed to put a CIF label on bats that can be used for the 2011 season and beyond.

The CIF is requiring aluminum bats used in 2011 must meet new BBCOR requirements. There also will be a list of bats that have a one-year waiver and can be used in 2011 but not in 2012."

So if you dont buy it from sports authority and it wont have that sticker will it be ok to use beyond 2011. Hmm if not that sounds kinda fishy. I wonder how many of those stickers will disapear out the back door and for how much.

Here's a couple of replies to the LA Times Varsity Insider. I think they make some pretty good points.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...mesinsider/baseball/


Eric Re. BBCOR bats

Will there be enough bats out there ? How many high schools in Ca. have a baseball program and how many thousands of players out there will need to buy a bat before the spring season starts.

I can see it now most of the baseball players in the state will be shopping in Jan. for a bat and there wont be enough what then.

Do the powers to be at CIF have a plan if some schools and players can't get a BBCOR bat. The BBCOR bat selection is a lot less then the BESR bat selection
from what I've seen for sale online so far.



Posted by: JAD82 | November 14, 2010 at 07:50 PM


Good point JAD82. How can there be enough BBCOR bats available in the next few months for the approximately 44,000 hish school baseball players in California?
I believe that college players will also take precedence over the CA high school players, when it comes to bat availability. Bat companies need to manufacture enough bats to supply college players on the DI,II and III levels, not to mention NAIA schools and JC's across the whole country. What was the CIF thinking? Have a clue Ishida and look into some facts before you make ignorant decisions.

Posted by: Mission League Parent | November 16, 2010 at 10:39 AM