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Manchester's Nicholas Butts has yet to see his first varsity action but is already regarded as one of the state's top Class of 2015 baseball prospects!

Butts is featured today on VirginiaPreps.com. Let us know of other freshmen (Class of 2015) standouts that are likely to see varsity action this spring - post the info here or email us at VaPreps@aol.com.
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Agreed. Wholeheartedly.
I can see the next breathless post here: "Tball/coach pitch batting champ to commits to HomeTown Tech University!!!"

Now the player mentioned may indeed be a fine player & member of the community - but he's 13 or 14, and will have to compete against 17 & 18 year olds.

Let's check back in a year or so, ok?
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Originally posted by Jess1:
- but he's 13 or 14, and will have to compete against 17 & 18 year olds.


If he is 13 in the spring of his freshman year, he must be excellent in the classroom also. Not many students graduate at age 16, though a few do. More likely an individual in the spring of his freshman year will be closer to age 15 than 13 or 14.
I agree that VP is just doing their job. Makes for a good discussion, anyway.

I don't know Nick Butts or family, but I did get the chance to see him play once in the fall. Looks like he can hang with the big boys pretty well. Hard to believe he is just a freshman and pretty certain he is 15-ish, like most freshmen.
When I first saw this post, I thought it was a joke -- someone poking a little fun an the similar thread a few days ago that was talking about 2014 commits.

Sadly, I was mistaken. I agree with the majority of posters in this thread. This kid may very well be the next Big Thing, but let's allow him to play at least a few Varsity games before he's labelled a "Top Prospect."
Hey it's never too early to start this stuff. It is possible to have a committment to a D1 school without ever playing a varsity ballgame. I would tell anyone that has a kid good enough to start on their schools varsity as a Freshman or Sophmore at a competitive school that they need to really dig into the recruiting. Not sure how much posting on this site helps but putting yourself out there definately can.
Any time you have a freshman who is looking to start at a key position for a respectable or better program in a tough district, it's worth at least keeping an eye on him.

Butts is going to do just fine, BTW, and this won't be the last time his name gets posted here.

As for the 8u kid on YouTube -- Chris, is it too late to call dibs? That kid has mad skills!
Nick butts is, in fact, a 14u eligible player. He doesnt turn 15 until late spring or early summer (i believe july but i might be a couple weeks off). He can absolutely hang with the 18u crowd and will very likely contribute immediately as a freshman. He hung just fine playing up on our 16u team last fall (at RBA South) and will be competing with our 17u team this summer and then joining the virginia cardinals in the fall of 2012 (he played for the cardinals at uva in september of 2011 and performed well)

The dominion district is certainly a competitive proving ground for a freshman but i am more than confident that he will do just fine. When considering recent freshman impact players (luke lowery, bryce harman, mac caples , augie ayers) who i knew quite well going into their first high school spring - nicholas is definitely in that class.

This kid can play. The general aversion to pointing out freshman this early is understandable but there are a handful of players in the start each year who warrant the early recognition. Kyle macphearson this past year, or tyler allen and luck scherzer the year before come to mind. We need to leave room for appreciating and discussing the truly exceptional player from time to time.
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Berry

Some of the debates were about young ball players making college commitments. This thread is simply talking about youngsters that are really good. Much different.

I don't know the Butts kid, but I have to agree with Warrior on Reid Leonard. He is very polished. Plays the game very well. Hangs with kids much older then him. If I had to bet, I'd say he will be in the starting lineup (possibly at short) for BHS to start the season.

You may remember DSF had a freshman at short last year. Gerstimeyer (sp). And in the outfield too, Farkas.

If I'm coaching and have a freshman that can hit, he's in the lineup!

Rich
www.playinschool.com
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Originally posted by El gato:
While not a 2015 grad, Josh Henderson, a 2012 graduate, did not play varsity ball (to my knowledge). He did play for the Canes, and is an excellent player. Signed with Liberty.

Am sure most high school coaches would have taken him in a heartbeat!


Josh has played for First Baptist in Suffolk the last couple of years.
(sorry - fat fingers)
In fact, if you read what I wrote, I said that he should be allowed to play some Varsity ball, assuming he's good enough to do so (and from what I read, he definitely is).

If you go back and read the title posting to this thread, you'll see that he is touted as "one of the state's top class of 2015 prospects!" That's where I take exception, because I simply think that maybe a kid should probably at least play in a few high school games before he's touted as a "Top Prospect."

Just my opinion, there are others that agree and others that disagree -- that's what makes this site so interesting.
Back to the orginal OP....

There is no question the kid will be good. I've heard about him and seen him play once. If RGraham tells me he is a "stud" that is good enough for me.

Where I have issue with this is hyping an "up and coming freshmen" high school player on a message board. There, I've said it, and I actutally used the words "up and coming freshmen" in the same sentence. I'd like to see the kid play some more high school varsity games with no hype, expectations or fanfare. If he is the next Strasburg, it will happen. But, he is 14. C'mon man. Let's let him (or any freshmen) get a body of work and then discuss results AFTER he has achieved them.
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Originally posted by PIS:
Berry

Some of the debates were about young ball players making college commitments. This thread is simply talking about youngsters that are really good. Much different.

I don't know the Butts kid, but I have to agree with Warrior on Reid Leonard. He is very polished. Plays the game very well. Hangs with kids much older then him. If I had to bet, I'd say he will be in the starting lineup (possibly at short) for BHS to start the season.

You may remember DSF had a freshman at short last year. Gerstimeyer (sp). And in the outfield too, Farkas.

If I'm coaching and have a freshman that can hit, he's in the lineup!

Rich
www.playinschool.com


Gerstenmeir is the real deal, and so is Leonard. My son played with both, and I would put Jack G. a little ahead of Reid based on a more explosive bat and being a better athlete.
I think some people might be getting a bit worked up about nothing. You can’t even read the article unless you are paid subscriber to the service listed. I agree with Midlo Dad this is probably more along the lines of a newspaper article cut out and preserved by family members.

I’ve seen Butts play. And yes he is young, he’s 14U eligible. He’s a very good ball player. Good glove up the middle, good bat, and a solid pitcher.

Reid Leonard, I remember him as a 9 year old. Very good ball player. Very polished, and if you didn’t tell anyone he was a FR, no one would ever think it.

I’m not taking away anything from any of the standout FR ballplayers. I just think there are too many factors that can’t be predicted to start getting too excited just yet.

Growth. Maturity. Outside interests impacting how they progress in the game. There are so many things that can change in the next few years.
As a footnote, I never like to hear a high school player (or his parents) talk about how he's still eligible to play at the age grouping a year below his class year.

First of all, ever since the aging date got moved back from August 1 to May 1 some years back, that is a claim that maybe 35-40% of players can make, so you're not saying anything noteworthy.

Worse, it comes across as some excuse for non-performance or at least, for less-than-stellar performance. "Sure, Joey's hitting .450 and Billy's hitting .280, but Billy is only a 14u kid really."

That kind of talk is for parents in middle school and younger ages. Once you get to high school, all anyone cares about is your class year.
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Originally posted by Brooks5:
If any one was really paying attention to Va HS baseball you might have noticed that the 2011 AAA State champions had a freshman who played a pretty prominent role, and he was named all district, all region, all Tidewater, and honorable mention all state. So there are some freshmen who can play with the big boys.


Yes that is Charlie Cody. He was actually on the Max Preps Freshman All-America team. Not the first one he's ever been on
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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
As a footnote, I never like to hear a high school player (or his parents) talk about how he's still eligible to play at the age grouping a year below his class year.

First of all, ever since the aging date got moved back from August 1 to May 1 some years back, that is a claim that maybe 35-40% of players can make, so you're not saying anything noteworthy.

Worse, it comes across as some excuse for non-performance or at least, for less-than-stellar performance. "Sure, Joey's hitting .450 and Billy's hitting .280, but Billy is only a 14u kid really."

That kind of talk is for parents in middle school and younger ages. Once you get to high school, all anyone cares about is your class year.


I agree. But what about the flip side of that age change? A lot of kids got to play another year on the small field (Little League All Stars for example) and the reason why a lot of 2014’s appear on 15U rosters (same for 16U etc) when you look at the WWBA tourneys.
Having increasingly older kids on the Little League diamond may have helped the core constituency of LL, that being the purely recreational player, in some sense. My personal take on it was that it was foolhardy and dangerous to put more and more big kids on that diamond, with baseballs whistling around faster and faster off kids' bats, etc. Everyone else at that age level was in the process of moving to 50/70 dimensions, but for some reason LL went the opposite direction.

The aging date change was part of a move to align everyone, in stages, with the international competition practice of using January 1. Meaning, someday they're going to move it again. I just hope when they do so, they also force "12's" (by that standard at that point) to play on a bigger diamond.

It certainly doesn't help a 7th grader to play at 46/60 dimensions -- at least, not a kid who's looking to play for his middle school or high school team.

As for why you have 2014's on 15u rosters, I don't doubt that happens but I suspect it has more to do with a desire to win than anything else. That and the fact that 14-15 is the transition period where youth travel team players move to high school exposure-oriented ball and maybe some haven't completed the transition yet.
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That and the fact that 14-15 is the transition period where youth travel team players move to high school exposure-oriented ball and maybe some haven't completed the transition yet.


Don't overlook puberty, the growth spurt, and general physicality, i.e., many boys have not yet transitioned into the bigger bodies.
My son, Craig, plays for the 15U RISE Baseball Team. Most of that roster consists of 2014 grad's. While this summer (and last fall) we will play the vast majority of our events against older competition, when we go to the PG WWBA in East Cobb we will play at 15U. I will only speak in regards to my child, but I thought it better for him to compete nationally at his age group THEN prove he can compete with the older kids in the region where he is most likley to go to college. He is late to hit his growth spurt, having been a 5'7" 130 pound freshman to nowa 5'11" 160 pound soph with more to come.

Midlo I agree with your earlier point that age group eligibility does not matter when they get between the lines. The expectation has to be if you are playing, you need to deliver. However, I think it is a relevent point when evaluating HS underclassmen. Without that info, how does one project a player. Rich, PIS, compared Reid Leonard and Jack Gerstenmeir. Ried is at least a year younger and a grad class behind, at his age i think it still makes a difference.
Just saw this Tweet

AAProspects ‏ @AAProspects
"Another Prospect commits...Congrats to Thomas Szapucki (2015 LHP). He has committed to Univ of Florida. Last night at West Boca, Thomas ..."

Thought ya'll would get a kick out of that.

If you aren't familiar with the All-America Prospects they are based out of Miami. They had 2 1st rounders in 2010. 1 word...Legit. I have not researched this kid. Don't know anything about him.

The debate is still out there though...would you let your 2015 grad make a college commitment?

Or vice versa, if you were a coach would you make a verbal offer to a 2015?

Rich
www.playinschool.com
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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
...My personal take on it was that it was foolhardy and dangerous to put more and more big kids on that diamond, with baseballs whistling around faster and faster off kids' bats, etc. Everyone else at that age level was in the process of moving to 50/70 dimensions, but for some reason LL went the opposite direction.



That is the single biggest reason that I did not have my son play LL this Spring, though he is 12u eligible. 13 year olds and soon-to-be 13 year olds should not play on a 46/60 field. It is very dangerous.
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PIS said...The debate is still out there though...would you let your 2015 grad make a college commitment?


No. I think it is a ridiculous idea for a high school freshmen to know anything about life, college athletics, and college academics. They are not equipped to make that decision or understand the consequences of such a commitment. It is difficult enough for high school juniors to grasp this.

In the words of Groucho Marx....“I wouldn’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member”.
The question was would I allow my 2015 grad to commit now. I would not because there is no way I would feel comfortable that he knew what he was going to want by the time he started college. In addition - too much could change between now and then and I would not want him locked into a decision that he regretted. We talked quite a bit about the issue of verbals and decided that although they are not legally binding our family would treat a verbal as if it was. I am not saying there is anything "wrong" with a family making that choice - just that it is one my family would not be comfortable with.
This is one of those deals where if there is a family tradition or some particular school that has a hold on a family or player that it might make sense. If you are from Texas and your family is a UT family (Mom, Dad, Grandpa Uncle Buck etc. are graduates), you live in a burnt orange house, drive a Caddy with Longhorns on the front and JR gets the offer from the school it's sort of like a dream come true. Absent that kind of kinship with a school I think it's much harder to know what the best choice is as freshman. Coaches change, options change and if you are visiting multiple schools with an open mind anything could happen.
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"Another Prospect commits...Congrats to Thomas Szapucki (2015 LHP). He has committed to Univ of Florida. Last night at West Boca


He is throwing in the low 90s this spring as a freshman, he is left handed and U of Florida is about as good as it gets these days. The head coach there is one of the best recruiters ever. They know what they want and they don't care about grad year.
PG -

There was never a doubt in my mind that the kid is legit.

The debate is more about the timing.

This is a no risk move for UF. Kid blows his arm out etc, no skin off UF's back.

But from the families prospective, some on here might say its a bit rushed.

Do you think a 9th grader has ever sat in on a college class? Do you think he knows what he wants to major in? I doubt it considering most college kids change their minds 5 times before deciding.

Obviously I'm just playing devils advocate. There is no doubt that UF is THE choice from baseball perspective. For every kid throwing 90 playing on TV there are 100's that never made it. Good friend of mine was mid 90's from the left side and he can't even pay his cell phone bill now. Should have picked a better academic direction.

The "what if" game is fun. Not a lot of families get put in this situation. Hope this college choice works out for them in 4 years.

Rich
www.playinschool.com
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Originally posted by PIS:
Do you think a 9th grader has ever sat in on a college class? Do you think he knows what he wants to major in? I doubt it considering most college kids change their minds 5 times before deciding.

. . . There is no doubt that UF is THE choice from baseball perspective. For every kid throwing 90 playing on TV there are 100's that never made it. Good friend of mine was mid 90's from the left side and he can't even pay his cell phone bill now. Should have picked a better academic direction.

The "what if" game is fun. Not a lot of families get put in this situation. Hope this college choice works out for them in 4 years.

Rich
www.playinschool.com


Ok, playing "devil's advocate" with your comments.

I don't see the point in whether a freshman has sat in on a college class. I bet many entering college students never sat in on a college class before entering college. Between my spouse and three children, we have seven degrees and currently are enrolled in three more degree programs. None of us sat in on a college class before entering college (and none of us transferred institutions, either.)

You state that most college kids change their minds 5 times in deciding on a major. Well, by that time they are IN college. If the kid is most likely to change his mind anyway 5 times AFTER he arrives at the college, what difference does it make when he selects the college? He is going to change his mind.

You highlight UF as a good BASEBALL decision. From what I have read, about the number of Florida residents with 4.0 GPAs who cannot get into UF, a state supported institution, it also is very strong academically. Baseball might just be the entry key.

And for the friend who made the wrong academic choice, was that choice in the college he chose to enroll in or in the choices he made once he got to that college?

Finally, if the performance of the referenced player remains as PG reported, or improves, the discussion of the college choice most likely will be moot. He will play for MLB instead of UF.

Face it, I imagine that many parents who read this board would love for their player to have the skills and opportunity to play baseball at a college with the baseball AND academic reputation of UF.
Well put WB.

The entire conversation is really based upon a million "what if's" that 99.9% of families wont have to worry about.

Still fun to toss around the topic.

To expand upon my comment of sitting in a class room...

College is often times the largest investment a family will make outside of property. Seems like a logical decision to do some research beyond what is written on a website or told (sold) to you by a coach that is recruiting your kid and your money. Some things that some families might consider doing prior to sending a check might include...
- multiple visits. Not just on Saturday night (haven't heard of a college thats not fun on Saturday night!) What is campus like on Tuesday?
- Speak to as many student athletes as possible. Get the behind the scenes.
- Speak to as many non students as possible. Just 1 rolled ankle from being a non athlete.
- Speak to as many professors as possible. They are what you are paying for!
- Check out the dorms. That is where you will live.
- Check out the library. That is 2nd home...ever heard of study hall?
- Dining halls. Hopefully better then the 3 squares at the local pen.
- Sitting in on classes. Does the recruit prefer 300 person lecture or 20 person classroom.

If I'm a parent about to invest $100,000 (public school plus beer & pizza for 4 years) to $250,000 (private school plus bourbon & steak for 4 years) seems like a lot of research would be wise.

Maybe I'm way off the reservation here. Seems like I hear more about researching BBCOR bats then the ins and outs of the college their kids might or might not be going to.

The point of mentioning my bud is that throwing hard does not guarantee any sort of income.

I might have just sent this topic into a totally different direction. Oh well.

You may be right that this kid may be a future MLB. Its fun to look through PG's data base to see what the current MLB guys were like when they were in college.

It would also be very educational for us all to see if PGStaff or someone else could crunch the numbers to see all the 90+ guys who have never played on TV. I have no idea what that would look like, but I have a sneaking suspicion it would be a long list. Making it to "the show" requires so much more then velocity or power, etc. There are very limited jobs with a lot of candidates all competing for the same thing.

Man I can't wait to see some baseball!
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It would also be very educational for us all to see if PGStaff or someone else could crunch the numbers to see all the 90+ guys who have never played on TV. I have no idea what that would look like, but I have a sneaking suspicion it would be a long list. Making it to "the show" requires so much more then velocity or power, etc. There are very limited jobs with a lot of candidates all competing for the same thing.


For sure there are many 90+ high school pitchers that never make it to the Big Leagues. However, nearly every 90+ high school pitcher that qualifies for college entrance will get a chance to play college baseball... If they want to!

In the case of the kid commiting to Florida... If something happens he can change his mind, just like the school can change their mind. If nothing serious changes their minds, the school has a kid they definitely want and the kid has a school he definitely wants. If he gets much better, there might not be any college baseball for the kid.

I'm not saying that this is the right thing for young kids to do. But, for sure he is a high profile player for his grad year. This will keep his life a bit more controlled and quiet for the next few years. After all, it is the high profile types that everyone goes after. And believe me when I say, Florida is not the only school that would make him a big offer.

I look at it like this... If it works out everything will be fine for everyone concerned. If it doesn't work out, chances are it will still be fine for everyone concerned. If he is seriously injured next year, is that any different than being injured his junior year or senior year after having signed a LOI?

Surely there are kids out there that would gladly commit to playing for the NY Yankees in 4 years. Others that would commit to their favorite college if offered. U of Florida is about as good as it gets. If the kid lived in Texas, maybe it would be U of Texas.

If they made a bad choice in committing too early, it's not the end of the world!
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While perhaps not a favorite topic for all around here, a couple of weeks ago a freshman (yes Class of 2015), had this outstanding performance!

Freshman JB Bukauskas pitched a no-hitter for Stone Bridge HS in their home opener against Thomas Jefferson. He struck out 8 and walked 1 in the 10-0 five inning contest.

The Bulldog offense was led by the Kuzbel brothers (Josh 3 hits, Jake 2 RBI), Orrison and Mocabee with 2 hits each, and Hough, Schreiber, and Sachs each with one hit.

Let us know about your freshman's (yes- Class of 2015) top performances by posting them here, or emailing us at VaPreps@aol.com)

Thanks!
Patrick Jackowski (Hampton), Doug Gressly (O'Connell) and Brady Fox (North Stafford) are all making significant contributions to their varsity teams as freshman.

IMO - Reid Leonard is best overall 2015 talent in VA right now.

Illig is very good as well. Bukauskas is gonna be a big time arm in the 2015 class year in and year out.
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Reid Leonard is best overall 2015 talent in VA right now.


I would rate Enright above him as a pitcher, Leonard the better defender and offensive player.

Also, one concern, Leonard left the mound earlier this week pointing to his elbow. Hope all is well there. He uses a very high stress delivery that could use a makeover from a good mechanics instructor.
Here is a freshman playing some very good varsity baseball in the Evergreen District:

Liberty baseball opens district play with 9-4 win over Fauquier
Sports | A freshman righted the ship Wednesday for a Liberty baseball team that hasn’t often faced choppy waters this season. The Liberty Eagles fell behind by three runs against the Fauquier Falcons, but rallied to win, 9-4, on the road in Warrenton during the first Evergreen District game for both teams. Fauquier (3-4 overall, 0-1 district) took a 4-1 lead in the first inning by drawing five walks and getting two hits against Liberty starting pitcher Chris Vorrath. Freshman Brock Smith replaced Vorrath at the start of the second inning and he held the Falcons scoreless while also fueling the offense for Liberty (9-1 overall, 1-0 district). At the plate, Smith finished with two doubles, two runs scored and a RBI, including a hit in the third inning that helped the Eagles build a four-run rally to take the lead for good, 5-4. On the mound, Smith shut out Fauquier by allowing only four hits and one walk while striking out six over the final six innings to get the win. Fauquier starter Garrett Croson took the loss by allowing five runs (four earned) on five hits and three walks over three innings. Liberty added its final four runs in the seventh inning against reliever Brad Smoot, who otherwise pitched well over four innings. Five Eagles finished with a pair of hits, including Derek Dueling (double, stolen base, two runs), Quentin Rodney (double, stolen base, run, two RBIs), C.J. Lindsay (double, RBI, two runs), Ryan Ramirez (triple, two RBIs, two runs) and Smith. For Fauquier, Robby King went 2-for-4 with a run, while Kyle Higgins went 1-for-3 with a RBI and run

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