Coach will not give up Stats....

dede ...
Is it possible for you to indicate on your son's "resume" that the information is available from the coach upon request? Since most colleges send a questionaire to be submitted, and many require comments from the coah, maybe it might be handled at that point.

I had the same situation with my son's high school coach. What I did was put a package together with newspaper articles, a baseball resume showing where he played and all the awards he got, evaluations from camps and showcases, and video and sent it to the college coaches.
Most colleges responded with a player questionaire and a coach's questionaire. I took the coachs' questionaires to the high school AD with copies of the recruiting letters and told him I needed them back in 7-10 days. When I got them back i noticed that most didn't have the stats on them as requested in some of them. I took those back to the AD and told him they were incomplete. he made sure that they were filled out correctly. I didn't make a big fuss about it, just acted as nice as possible in order to get what I neded done.
Most questionaires didn't ask for stats. College coaches know that high school coaches pat the stats.
I also had kept my own set of stats, compared them with the team mom's set and sent them to the coaches that requested them with a caveat indicating that they were the stats that I kept.
It was funny when I compared them. Mine were almost identical to the team mom's except I had been a little harsher on the stats that the team had.

If your interested in Stats for College recruiting - Forget it. I've never seen one college form or college coach ask for your HS Stats.

Most don't even want to see them - they are relative to the competition --therefore fairly meaningless. What they want to see is your son playing. Get him to showcases, national summer tournaments etc.

Sorry to rant on stat loving but I see why kids today put stats (personal accomplishment) above team unity.

Coaches might use stats a temperature guage, but beyond that they have very little to do with recruiting. mrmom gives go advise. Showcases; college camps; and Fall Showcase teams get you noticed.

We have talked about stats here all too often--most colleges seem them as meaningless-- a kid hits .500 in a "soft" league and another hit .400 in a "tuff"league--who is the better player? Who knows until you see them both play in person against the same level of competition

There is where showcases help a player- he is seen as a player solely not a player based on stats

One other factor with stats--who is keeping the book?

All good advice, just concern yourself with sending the SAT/ACT/GPA, the more important stats to college coaches.
If anyone wants them, all they have to do is make a phone call.
I can't rememeber one coach asking for stats, ever.

Thank you all for your great advice. Being the "Mom" I am not very informed but I have taken your comments to heart. Thank you again!

dede,
Moms need to make it their business to be informed.

Ask as many questions as you need to. We're here.

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If your interested in Stats for College recruiting - Forget it. I've never seen one college form or college coach ask for your HS Stats.

EVERY form my 2 sons got from college coaches asked for High School Stats, Every one !

Were they used by the coaches, I have no way of knowing, but they were requested by every college that contacted my sons.

But, as usual, Tiger Paw Mom nailed it on the head. The most important stats of all are GPA, SAT/ACT along with class ranking for some schools.

Class rank % is key as well regarding available academic $$$$$.

Forms do ask for stats, but on the coaches questionaire part, not the players part.
Many players get recruited with the coaches never seeing a questionaire in advance.
We got calls from schools that never got questionaires, after they saw him play, first question, what type of student are you?
Coaches are smart folks, if they come to see a player or hear of a player being recruited by (lets use Vanderbilt for example), they already know without asking that player is most likely a qualifier for his program.

With an 05 we just finished a year filled with baseball questionaires....TPM is correct. The only "stats" we supplied on son's section of the form were GPA, SAT, ACT...and class standing. There was always a section for the high school coach to complete.....stats included.....we always gave the forms to coach with a stamped envelope, addressed to the college coach....just like academic recommendations from high school teachers and counselors to college admission officers.....we thought whatever coach wrote....it should be between him and the college coach.

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. ~Aaron Levenstein

Do not put your faith in what statistics say until you have carefully considered what they do not say. ~William W. Watt

If a pro scout has seen him and seen him play well, ask is he could put the scout's name on the info form. That will carry more weight than the average high school coach and/or any stats you don't have to list.

You know, on the form you can always use the word "about" and note the coach has the official stats.

For what it is worth ... whether or not college coaches are concerned about high school stats ... I did a little curiosity fulfillment and checked some college sites ... all of these post-season programs apparently DO look at high school stats because either they publish them in detail in their player bios or at least give a quick/thumbnail reference to them ...

Stanford
Cal State Fullerton
Arizona
Pepperdine
Oregon State
Arizona State
Rice
Texas

Just thought it was interesting to see this.

Just because stats show up in a players BIO on a college site does not necessarily mean that they looked at them in the recruiting process.

Agree with you, Tom........

Most schools will submit a form to the student athletes after acceptance to add any accomplishments for Bio/Media Guide purposes.

Stats for the purpose of putting together nest years team IS minimal.

...so is that why they keep the bikini stats at the Bureau of Vital Statistics.

FO,
You crack me up!

Chill,
CU only publishes HS stats in their media guides, I do believe, if they have been published stats in the newspapers or other reliable media.

Stanford never asked for stats until he got there...strictly for the Bio. I believe.

TR ...

I don't believe I ever said that the stats were looked at during the recruiting process. But in your earlier post you said

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We have talked about stats here all too often--most colleges seem (sic) them as meaningless--

My thought, when looking at these top programs and their player bios, was that at some point these same stats ... that were "meaningless" beforehand, during the recruiting process, when it wasn't known if the competition was soft or not ... all of a sudden become important enough to publish, and I would suspect for the purposes of showing how good the player was at his previous level and how good the program is at recruiting top level players.

FBMom-Isn't that interesting?

Moc1 ... you have a PM

Its just for PR and not much more. Virtually NO college EVER asked for our sons HS stats.

The Stats for HS are for Freshmen only to give something for the fans to get excited about since they have no stats from the team yet.

If they didn't publish these what would they publish?????

This thread has me curious. During my son's recruitment experience, he received MANY profile forms that asked for his stats. And NO....they weren't always for the HS coach to fill out. We seemed to get quite a variety of player profile packages. Some were for the player to fill out....some were for the HS coach to fill out.....some even were the SAME form just one side for the player, the other side for the coach. I'm not debating the merit of "stats"....just the fact that they are required from the player from SOME schools. Since so many of you have never found this to be the case during your sons' recruiting experiences....do you think this could perhaps be a regional difference, a difference in the level of the particular baseball program, or just how different programs handle the recruiting process differently? It is obvious that not all schools handle things the SAME way.

Regardless if one feels stats are meaningless, or if they are used solely for PR purposes, or if they are given legitimate consideration.....if they are asked for by a college (which they are in some cases) and a coach is hesitating on giving them.....what to do? Someone earlier mentioned going thru the AD...which seems like a good approach.

luvbb - You're jarring my memory a little. You're right, some schools had a questionnaire that asked for some stats. But those came mostly before Junior season and they never asked for follow-up after Junior season.

The bottom line is this...the school wants to see you play before they're going to sign you...almost in every case. Quite a few schools that had never sent a questionnaire but saw him play in the summer between Junior and Senior season recruited him without ever asking for one single stat. But I'll re-phrase my earlier comment to say that of the schools that recruited our son, none seemed interested in any significant way about stats.

What ever college you want to send stats to just have them call the HS Coach for the actual stats. All the other awards will speak for them self.

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Originally posted by dede:
Can anyone tell me what I need to do if my son's High School Coach will not release his statistics so I can send out his info to college recruiters? The coach tells me if it will happen it will--- just wait. Please let me add that my son has lettered 3 years, nominated 3 years in WHo' WHo Sport Edition, won the Golden GLove award,and his name is mentioned in the local paper after each High School game including his American Legion games this summer. Sorry but I don't mean to brag. Thanks for any suggestions you might pass along.

I emailed Dave's coach today to ask him this question as the discussion continues. His reply indicated to me that he usually finds that talented players have good grades as well, sort of goes hand and hand. He considers both, as college baseball is not about projectability but contributing quickly to a program.Stats are important if coming from reliale sources, but it is important to know that the player can handle academics as well the program. However, I know him, he won't make an offer unless he has seen one play, or gotten a good scouting report.
I think also important, why they ask for stats is to see if you have followed a college prep course in HS and if you are lacking some academics courses required for their college. Then they will follow up with a transcript of the clearing house. I don't think they want to waste their time getting excited over someone if there are doubts about eligibilty for a D1 school. It's his job, I suppose, to make an offer to a player that they feel will definetly get accepted into the school.
JMO from previous conversations and his email.

Justbaseball,

In no way did I mean to imply that hs stats will make or break a college prospect...of course they will want to see him play for themselves (or get the opinion of a reliable source). And you are right, as in your case, all of those profiles I mentioned were prior to the senior year and no follow-up was necessary (so obviously the stats aren't THAT important in the overall scheme of things, even tho they were requested by the college program). I just found it interesting that so many mentioned that stats were ONLY requested of the hs coaches...and not the player...when that wasn't our case. And I wondered if it was perhaps a regional difference, a difference in the level of college program, or just the particular schools and their method of recruitment that we happened to run across.

I read in the paper today about a kid signing for next fall with a mediocre juco program. He was a starting pitcher with awesome stats. 1.4 K's per inning, 5 to 1 strikeouts to walks, way under 1.00 ERA with tons of innings. All-This and That blah, blah, Honor Roll, etc.

The kid basicly said in the paper. "Well, I obviouisly didn't get signed so I guess I'll go here."

This kid played on a top travel team and was seen by every college coach in the southeast.

Don't worry about stats. No one else does. Work on the skills. jmo

1. Stats don't mean squat unless he's hit 70 HR
2. Most HS "score keepers" are athletic supporters, and couldn't determine a hit from an at bat
3. The stats that matter you should already have
- SAT/ACT Score
- Grade Point Average
- Class Rank
4. The other stats your Doctor can provide
- Height
- Weight
- Existing Medical Conditions/Allergies
- Previous Injuries (what happened, who treated etc).

Tell the HS Coach he can insert the stats appropriately, along with the rest of his kool aid stained score book