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I really hope it works out, but I'm not holding my breath. You can keep athletes pretty safe, but can you keep them away from off campus house parties, girls, etc? Even if a school went 100% virtual, upperclassmen are still going to be living off campus, hanging out, etc. School can't control what goes on a mile off campus. 

Whether it is justified or not, I'm fully expecting all college students to be home by mid October. "University of ________ student dies from Covid complications" is not a good headline for anybody, even if the school were 100% virtual it doesn't stop the mob from creating bad press. 

Hoping for the best, expecting the very little. 

Last week my niece was informed her Pac-12 softball (and all undergrads) will now be stay at home and online classes.  Prior to that everything was set to be on campus learning and athletics as usual.  As it gets closer to January a decision will be made on classes and athletics.  I feel sorry for all college students since an important part of college life has now been put on hold indefinately.  Stay safe

Our local college was literally in the process of moving football players in when the conference decided to cancel the season. Son said right now they are planning things to be as usual, although I think he will be tested once a week. Very few students at his school live in dorms other than freshmen, so maybe that will help?? Or maybe not.

I'd argue that any "plan" that doesn't account for behaviors inherent to the college age group, is not a plan.  Hope is not a strategy.  I'd say the same thing for any national plan.  If your plan requires 90-95-100% adherence of 328 million people, you need to head back to the drawing board.  Same thing for adherence of 20,000 college students.  It's either that or adjust your desired outcome.  I think we should spend more time talking about what CAN be accomplished versus what we WISH could be accomplished.  

@DanJ posted:

I'd argue that any "plan" that doesn't account for behaviors inherent to the college age group, is not a plan.  Hope is not a strategy.  I'd say the same thing for any national plan.  If your plan requires 90-95-100% adherence of 328 million people, you need to head back to the drawing board.  Same thing for adherence of 20,000 college students.  It's either that or adjust your desired outcome.  I think we should spend more time talking about what CAN be accomplished versus what we WISH could be accomplished.  

100% agree with this post.   Now I am hoping that Notre Dame sticks with their two week online only plan just announced - I do assume this was part of their plan if there was more than expected noncompliance.   If they end up sending kids home I am afraid that spring will be canceled too.   The only thing that could save spring if colleges bail on fall now would be a vaccine that could occur in a few months but then needs mass production.   The Notre Dame issue (as Ripken Fan points out) seems to be linked to an off campus party.  I think the kids who threw it and those that went should be restricted from campus and be online for the balance of the year (or semester).   

Bringing them to campus, then sending them home (as UNC did) seems like the worst possible option.  Students will take the virus back to their families and home communities.  UNC apparently had only 75 rooms for quarantine and 75 for isolation, and they filled up their quarantine rooms the first week.  What on earth did they expect, with 30,000 students?  I think what Notre Dame is doing is better, and I hope they keep the students on-campus, with classes online, even if cases go up.  That's the only way to get through this.  In 1918 they set up large wards in gyms, for those infected with influenza, that's what is needed now. 

Mind you, the off-campus students are complete idiots.  But they probably will stay in their apartments regardless, and maybe they don't care that their classes are now online.  So the ones who are hurt are the ones who have to leave dorms, and maybe that includes athletes, and the ones whose classes (like labs) don't work online.

From a public health standpoint, spring may be in jeopardy.  From a financial standpoint, the colleges who have to refund room and board now have an even bigger incentive to make spring work.  I sure hope so. 

Just as a note, in May, Will Emmert of the NCAA and the head of the ACC said that there would be no sports if students weren't on campus.  Apparently that is walked back (no surprise):

https://www.newsobserver.com/s...rticle245041645.html

@PTWood posted:

@RIPKENFAN Cases Already jumped to 150+ and they just announced remote classes for two weeks. Over 50 cases traced to the one off campus party. Ugh.

I'm sorry to see this. I saw the headlines in the news but reading it from people who are close to it really does bring it home. Hopefully this 2-week thing helps curb a few parties and the students unite to figure out a way to stay on campus. It's not fair to those who really want to be there, study/learn, and do the right things to enable that.  

I might be wrong but I think that most of this is a result of off campus parties and hanging out.  One in Tuscaloosa at a bar and the mayor of the town is really upset.  There was a video of an off campus pool party  at FAU.  The kids were doing back flips off the roof of the home into the pool.  With that I don't think that Corona scares them at all.   Starkville having a huge outdoor yearly event, the town said please dont, and the promoters said they will be wearing masks. Sure, ok. 

Some schools started with online classes to switch in September. That was smart.  

Big 10 players and parents not happy with them canceling football. People headed to the conferences main offices.

 

 

I know it's not a popular opinion but why not just stop testing asymptomatic 20 years olds, cull, quarantine and treat anyone with symptoms and let this crap run it's course?  Offer an online alternative for vulnerable demographics to stay home.  There is absolutely zero chance that a population in this age group is going to isolate this virus through voluntary social distancing action. It's out there, and its going to spread until it runs out of suitable host, either via herd immunity or mass vaccinations.  

Doing the hokey pokey, stop and start, is not a reasonable strategy.  

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@22and25 posted:

I know it's not a popular opinion but why not just stop testing asymptomatic 20 years olds, cull, quarantine and treat anyone with symptoms and let this crap run it's course?  Offer an online alternative for vulnerable demographics to stay home.  There is absolutely zero chance that a population in this age group is going to isolate this virus through voluntary social distancing action. It's out there, and its going to spread until it runs out of suitable host, either via herd immunity or mass vaccinations.  

Doing the hokey pokey, stop and start, is not a reasonable strategy.  

I think it depends what plans were submitted to the state for a COVID plan.

@22and25 posted:

I know it's not a popular opinion but why not just stop testing asymptomatic 20 years olds, cull, quarantine and treat anyone with symptoms and let this crap run it's course?  Offer an online alternative for vulnerable demographics to stay home.  There is absolutely zero chance that a population in this age group is going to isolate this virus through voluntary social distancing action. It's out there, and its going to spread until it runs out of suitable host, either via herd immunity or mass vaccinations.  

Doing the hokey pokey, stop and start, is not a reasonable strategy.  

I agree 100%. Why even try something if you aren’t expecting the inevitable that there will be outbreaks. If you are testing everybody you are bound to get positive tests. Heck, even the false positive rate is practically enough to shut some plans down. 

Baseball, folks...  What is happening with the UNC baseball team, does anyone know?  Do they get to stay on campus as athletes?  Or do they have to go home?  So can they practice at all?  For that matter, can Big Ten baseball teams have any fall team activities?

Sports were not closed down at UNC. I think it is only a few weeks for online classes, and students were not sent home. I did hear that Ohio State was not shutting down sports.

@22and25 posted:

My point was directed at whomever is making policy, the university or the state or the NCAA or .......

 

The school makes the guidelines  based on CDC and state guidelines and then approved by state. That's how it is in FL, can't  speak for another state. 

NCAA for sports only and a plan is given and approved based on guidelines.

Like so many others, I wish the insanity would stop.   Understand everything that I'm about to point out I consider a horrible tragedy, and many speculated about "unknowns",  but let us focus on some of our knowns.

Per the CDC's current data, over the last 6 months in the U.S. (2/1 thru 8/8), 16 infants have died of Covid, and 9,149 infants have died of other causes in that time.  Covid accounts for 0.17% of infant deaths in the last 6 months.  For children age 1-4 there have been 10 deaths and 1,741 from other causes, meaning Covid represents 0.57% of deaths in this age group over the last 6 months.  For children between ages 5 and 14, there have been 23 recorded Covid deaths and 2,691 from other causes.  This corresponds to 0.84% of deaths in this age group.  For all the above mentioned age groups Pneumonia (without the presence of Covid) has accounted for 5 times as many deaths as Covid in the past 6 months.  For young people age 15-24 (includes most all HS and College athletes) there have been 242 deaths from Covid in the past 6 months and 16,837 from other causes.  This represents 1.4% of the deaths in this age group. 

Effectively, 100% of these tragic Covid deaths had pre-existing conditions.  Aggregately, people under the age of 25 are 105x more likely to die from something that is not Covid-19 than Covid-19.

It is time to get back to the classroom, and if you want these young people to have fear of something that might hurt them,  Covid should be way down on the list.  For no age group under 85 years, does the number of deaths from Covid over the past 6 months exceed 9% of the total causes of deaths.

If anyone feels that students shouldn't be in the classroom, on the field, the court, or in the weight room based on these numbers, please explain this to me with some evidence to support that conclusion.  Please be rational, and logical because that is what we need right now, a lot more than crazy inflammatory language we heard on the news.

 

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