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Originally Posted by wraggArm:
Originally Posted by 08Dad:

Note to all:

 

I had to go in and prune this thread to eliminate a bunch of content which was not on topic. In the process, some content which was on topic had to be eliminated - for which I apologize. Now that it is cleaned up, please try to stay on topic.

 

Thanks

 

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Uuuuummmm...am I reading this right ?  

 

"Prune"....?

 

"Stay on topic"...?????

 

Are you freakin' kidding me?....PRUNE?

Prune?  Several good posts relating to concerns with player safety which contained no personal attacks were deleted.  This isn't pruning.  This is butchering.

I am a Giants fan and I believe what happened to Posey was unneccesary, and could have been avoided, but completely legal.  I think it is impossible to take collisions at home plate out of the game.  However, I have actually thougt that they could create some sort of chalk line that is in essence a collision line.  If the catcher does not cross that line you must slide.  If the catcher is on the other side of that collision line then he is fair game.

Originally Posted by IEBSBL:

I am a Giants fan and I believe what happened to Posey was unneccesary, and could have been avoided, but completely legal.  I think it is impossible to take collisions at home plate out of the game.  However, I have actually thougt that they could create some sort of chalk line that is in essence a collision line.  If the catcher does not cross that line you must slide.  If the catcher is on the other side of that collision line then he is fair game.

Impossible?  Why would this be impossible?  A rule change could make plays at the plate like any other base.  What's impossible about that?

I think it is impossible for the following reasons.

1)Even in high school a player can run through a catcher if he is up the line without the ball.  However, and I see this every year, catcher's go up the line without the ball and the umpires find fault with the runner not trying avoid, or they are called out because they try to avoid the catcher and the umpire does nothing about it.  Now you are moving this same thought process to an industry with elite speed and athletes.  This will put more stress onto the home plate umpires to try to figure this all out in a split second.  This will lead to many disgruntled managers, players, and coaches.

2.  If MLB can not even exercise enough common sense to install instant replay in when the technology is there then they can not, IMO, exercise enough common sense to figure out the plays at the plate.

 

Is it impossible, No.  I just think there are to many issues involved that will lead to a rule change.

Originally Posted by IEBSBL:

I think it is impossible for the following reasons.

1)Even in high school a player can run through a catcher if he is up the line without the ball.  However, and I see this every year, catcher's go up the line without the ball and the umpires find fault with the runner not trying avoid,

I don't know where you see high school ball, but in the US, this is prohibited by rule.

I just don't know how one guy running full speed without protection, running into another guy with protective gear for the purposes of scoring a single run in a baseball game is worthy of risking either player's careers.

 

I'm just a guy, so if they keep doing it, I'll keep watching it but I simply don't see where the concussion, broken bone, day off recovery required, etc. risk offsets the benefit of dropped balls by the catcher and run scored by a player who should've been held at third in the first place.  

 

Just me, but the risk reward doesn't seem to be there.

 

When the runner comes in and tries to knock the ball out, OK but the full on collision is just stupid.

Originally Posted by throw'n bb's:

if you watch the first video there is no where for the runner to go, if he slides its an easy out.  Does he jump the catcher?  Sounds more dangerous to me.  why is the catcher allowed to completely take the plate away and expect not to Get trucked?  The entire play needs review not just the running over part.

Because the defense made the play and the offense didn't? Sometimes, when you're out, you're out.

Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by throw'n bb's:

if you watch the first video there is no where for the runner to go, if he slides its an easy out.  Does he jump the catcher?  Sounds more dangerous to me.  why is the catcher allowed to completely take the plate away and expect not to Get trucked?  The entire play needs review not just the running over part.

Because the defense made the play and the offense didn't? Sometimes, when you're out, you're out.

No your not out until your tagged.  don't get me wrong I'm all for safety but if he is blocking the plate I like the rule as is.  If you don't want to get run over stay out of the baseline without the ball.

Originally Posted by bballman:

The way I saw it, the catcher came across the plate, although behind it.  He was in Tex's running lane.  Yes, he started up the first baseline, but then came across the plate.  Tex made a last second decision to go shoulder down.  I think he intended to just run across the plate until the catcher backed up to the plate.  Watch it again.  The catcher starts up the line and then backs into the plate.

Watch it again. If the runner slides, there's no issue. But he instead chose to take out the catcher. The catcher never once blocked the plate in that video.

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