It looks like there will, after all, be procedures to track pitch counts. This has been added:
1. The CHSAA shall develop a pitch count accountability process and distribute to schools prior to the start of practice in February 2016.
2. All levels of teams are required to implement pitch counts and share the number of pitches each pitcher throws with the other team at the end of the game, along with posting that information on MaxPreps with 24 hours of the game.
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It shouldn't be all that difficult. If Little league can do it, surely any HS or college can do it. Little League has an additional form to be included with the score book where the pitches thrown by each pitcher are recorded.
Most teams (HS, Legion, and college) my son was on did this anyway. They just kept track on the score book by inning.
This is awesome news and hopefully Texas will be following within the next 2 years. I had a private meeting with my son's High School baseball coach a few weeks ago to discuss pitch count and monitoring my sons shoulder and arm health and the coach basically stated he doesn't believe in pitch count but listens to the pitchers to bring themselves out. So I guess I will be the enforcer of pitch count during the games my son pitches. My son and I have a signal so that he knows when to pull himself out. My son's coach is the reason mandatory and enforceable pitch count for high school baseball is needed.
Here is a link to the Colorado high school association's pitch count rollout, including a video explaining the hows and whys...
FoxDad posted:
It shouldn't be all that difficult. If Little league can do it, surely any HS or college can do it. Little League has an additional form to be included with the score book where the pitches thrown by each pitcher are recorded.
Most teams (HS, Legion, and college) my son was on did this anyway. They just kept track on the score book by inning.
Where does Little League post the numbers recorded on that form?
Stats4Gnats posted:FoxDad posted:
It shouldn't be all that difficult. If Little league can do it, surely any HS or college can do it. Little League has an additional form to be included with the score book where the pitches thrown by each pitcher are recorded.
Most teams (HS, Legion, and college) my son was on did this anyway. They just kept track on the score book by inning.
Where does Little League post the numbers recorded on that form?
In the concession stand behind the snow cone syrups and next to the band aid jar.
lionbaseball posted:This is awesome news and hopefully Texas will be following within the next 2 years. I had a private meeting with my son's High School baseball coach a few weeks ago to discuss pitch count and monitoring my sons shoulder and arm health and the coach basically stated he doesn't believe in pitch count but listens to the pitchers to bring themselves out. So I guess I will be the enforcer of pitch count during the games my son pitches. My son and I have a signal so that he knows when to pull himself out. My son's coach is the reason mandatory and enforceable pitch count for high school baseball is needed.
What is your son's pitch count and what factors have you taken into consideration in coming to this number?
IEBSBL posted:lionbaseball posted:This is awesome news and hopefully Texas will be following within the next 2 years. I had a private meeting with my son's High School baseball coach a few weeks ago to discuss pitch count and monitoring my sons shoulder and arm health and the coach basically stated he doesn't believe in pitch count but listens to the pitchers to bring themselves out. So I guess I will be the enforcer of pitch count during the games my son pitches. My son and I have a signal so that he knows when to pull himself out. My son's coach is the reason mandatory and enforceable pitch count for high school baseball is needed.
What is your son's pitch count and what factors have you taken into consideration in coming to this number?
I use ASMI recommendations versus the coach that has no guidelines. During the preseason his pitch count will be 50. The coach can go to hades before he ruins my son's arm.
Ok well, I was just trying to start a conversation on things to take into consideration, other that just pitchers. However, you seem to be very defensive, so have a great day.
RootHog66 - do you know what, if any, penalties there are for not following the rules or not reporting pitches in a timely manner? I'm really curious how they are going about managing and enforcing this at the state level. I guess if its already a rule that teams have to report scores through MaxPreps, then it really wouldn't be a big deal. It sounds relatively straight forward and easy, but often the devil is in the details.
Our state is talking about something similar, but hasn't implemented anything yet. I think a lot of states will be watching Colorado.
Apparently they are in the process of developing an accountability system. Originally, the proposal was clear that schools were to police themselves and that pitch count objections could not be the basis for an appeal. that has since been removed. It is somewhat strange that they haven't put together an enforcement system. This was adopted last year and was to have been implemented in 2015, but was put off a year.
Go44dad posted:
In the concession stand behind the snow cone syrups and next to the band aid jar.
That’s about the truth of it. 
IEBSBL posted:Ok well, I was just trying to start a conversation on things to take into consideration, other that just pitchers. However, you seem to be very defensive, so have a great day.
Nothing against you personally but i think pitch count should be taken just as serious as concussions in football
Stats4Gnats posted:FoxDad posted:
It shouldn't be all that difficult. If Little league can do it, surely any HS or college can do it. Little League has an additional form to be included with the score book where the pitches thrown by each pitcher are recorded.
Most teams (HS, Legion, and college) my son was on did this anyway. They just kept track on the score book by inning.
Where does Little League post the numbers recorded on that form?
It's simply kept with the score book and has to be produced if requested. They don't post them "online" nor are they required to.
FoxDad posted:Stats4Gnats posted:FoxDad posted:
It shouldn't be all that difficult. If Little league can do it, surely any HS or college can do it. Little League has an additional form to be included with the score book where the pitches thrown by each pitcher are recorded.
Most teams (HS, Legion, and college) my son was on did this anyway. They just kept track on the score book by inning.
Where does Little League post the numbers recorded on that form?
It's simply kept with the score book and has to be produced if requested. They don't post them "online" nor are they required to.
A simple way to monitor pitch count is to have all score boards modified to show total pitch count for each pitcher. That way everyone can see if the coach is physically abusing a kid.
lionbaseball posted:FoxDad posted:Stats4Gnats posted:FoxDad posted:
It shouldn't be all that difficult. If Little league can do it, surely any HS or college can do it. Little League has an additional form to be included with the score book where the pitches thrown by each pitcher are recorded.
Most teams (HS, Legion, and college) my son was on did this anyway. They just kept track on the score book by inning.
Where does Little League post the numbers recorded on that form?
It's simply kept with the score book and has to be produced if requested. They don't post them "online" nor are they required to.
A simple way to monitor pitch count is to have all score boards modified to show total pitch count for each pitcher. That way everyone can see if the coach is physically abusing a kid.
And who do you suggest pays for this?
I know you have a burr under your saddle about HS coaches, with good reason, but it is not just them. My son plays 11u baseball and I have watched kids throw more pitches in a weekend that a HS kid pitches once a week. We did a pitch count on a kid that we saw twice in a weekend and he threw 192 pitches. Also, look at pitch counts in the College game. It is not just HS coaches, it is EVERYONE.
lionbaseball posted:FoxDad posted:Stats4Gnats posted:FoxDad posted:
It shouldn't be all that difficult. If Little league can do it, surely any HS or college can do it. Little League has an additional form to be included with the score book where the pitches thrown by each pitcher are recorded.
Most teams (HS, Legion, and college) my son was on did this anyway. They just kept track on the score book by inning.
Where does Little League post the numbers recorded on that form?
It's simply kept with the score book and has to be produced if requested. They don't post them "online" nor are they required to.
A simple way to monitor pitch count is to have all score boards modified to show total pitch count for each pitcher. That way everyone can see if the coach is physically abusing a kid.
Why does it have to be on the score board? Do they do that in the pro's? Heck no, they don't. They don't even it do it at the college level.
Most coaches (HS and college) do a pretty good job monitoring the pitch counts. I see no need for it to be displayed.
If it's such a concern keep count yourself.
FoxDad posted:lionbaseball posted:FoxDad posted:Stats4Gnats posted:FoxDad posted:
It shouldn't be all that difficult. If Little league can do it, surely any HS or college can do it. Little League has an additional form to be included with the score book where the pitches thrown by each pitcher are recorded.
Most teams (HS, Legion, and college) my son was on did this anyway. They just kept track on the score book by inning.
Where does Little League post the numbers recorded on that form?
It's simply kept with the score book and has to be produced if requested. They don't post them "online" nor are they required to.
A simple way to monitor pitch count is to have all score boards modified to show total pitch count for each pitcher. That way everyone can see if the coach is physically abusing a kid.
Why does it have to be on the score board? Do they do that in the pro's? Heck no, they don't. They don't even it do it at the college level.
Most coaches (HS and college) do a pretty good job monitoring the pitch counts. I see no need for it to be displayed.
If it's such a concern keep count yourself.
Because the majority of high school coaches will only enforce pitch count if they are held accountable. I've talked to a few people on this board and know of several others in my area whose kids have had TJ surgery before they are 20. This is criminal and I think a baseball coach should be fired on the spot for abusing a pitcher. The sad part is I have to keep the pitch count myself to protect my son's health. Do you have a son that pitches?
The reason the pro's don't need PC, I believe, on the scoreboard is that they want to protect their investments so, for the most part, do a good job of policing it themselves. HS coaches (and I'm sure college coaches to some degree) could care less.
IEBSBL posted:lionbaseball posted:FoxDad posted:Stats4Gnats posted:FoxDad posted:
It shouldn't be all that difficult. If Little league can do it, surely any HS or college can do it. Little League has an additional form to be included with the score book where the pitches thrown by each pitcher are recorded.
Most teams (HS, Legion, and college) my son was on did this anyway. They just kept track on the score book by inning.
Where does Little League post the numbers recorded on that form?
It's simply kept with the score book and has to be produced if requested. They don't post them "online" nor are they required to.
A simple way to monitor pitch count is to have all score boards modified to show total pitch count for each pitcher. That way everyone can see if the coach is physically abusing a kid.
And who do you suggest pays for this?
I know you have a burr under your saddle about HS coaches, with good reason, but it is not just them. My son plays 11u baseball and I have watched kids throw more pitches in a weekend that a HS kid pitches once a week. We did a pitch count on a kid that we saw twice in a weekend and he threw 192 pitches. Also, look at pitch counts in the College game. It is not just HS coaches, it is EVERYONE.
This is not complicated and not expensive. Obviously the high school would pay for it. And I agree that it is EVERYONE but its got to start somewhere. Doesn't the Little League organization monitors pitch counts?
My son did not pitch in HS (played C, 1B and 3B). He did pitch a little in travel ball, legion and fall ball (local league). I do understand your concern as I knew several of the parents of the kids who did pitch.
Here in VA there are inning limits for HS pitchers. VHSL is still contemplating pitch counts and limitations. Even before the inning limitation (there was a time there was no limit) most coaches in the region did monitor the pitch counts or at the very least the # of innings a pitcher pitched.
Yes, it's sad if you have to monitor your son's pitch count if the coach refuses to do so. Have you discussed your concern with the coach? Have you talked to the AD? I don't usually advocate making an end run around the coach without at least discussing your concern with him first.
FWIW, my son has played college level ball (JuCo and D2) and every coach did track pitch counts whether or not the sanction body (NJCAA and NCAA) required it or not.
As to the score board, do you have a clue how much a decent score board costs? Not exactly inexpensive. Even with a new field (our county opened a new HS to replace the old during my son's sophomore year) it wasn't until his senior year a new score board was installed and operational. I don't recall if the baseball boosters helped fund it or not, but I believe they did help defray some of the costs. I know they did fund most of the improvements to the field (fresh dirt and irrigation system - yes the county did not pay for an irrigation when the field was built).
Your school district is probably like most - they have a limited amount of funds for baseball. The big money maker here is football.
Yes - LL does monitor pitch counts. They don't post it online or a score board though.
