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Below is the last info I received from coach Boretti.

2011 needs-3-4 pitchers, middle of field athletes (SS/CF, C), I like speed a lot, 3.3 gpa - 1800 sat to start -Top 10%- Pitchers MPH: mid to upper 80's - We Attend Emp. State games, PG events on LI, Top 96 @ Fordham,Selectfest Plus many out of town events. -I like kids of Great Character - Will be at Top 96 @ Fordham 7/7-8 Summer Camp on June 19-20 and a Sept camp every year The need based aid is grant money- Comments:HARD NOSE COMPETITORS- Intangibles:must LIKE New York City -

Without a doubt, 1800 is on the lowest end (you can probably forget about Harvard and Princeton, though). A top baseball talent with an 1800 SAT who fills a need on the roster and who also has some other impressive qualities (i.e. straight A's in a rigorous academic program; has taken/intends to take lots of AP courses; etc.) could be on an Ivy coach's radar. Of course, the candidate ultimately has to pass muster with admissions, but somebody like that is not necessarily ruled out. If your son is considering an Ivy school, familiarize yourself with the "Academic Index."

Originally Posted by slotty:

I also think "to start" means the first-time score which, hopefully, can be improved upon through tutoring and/or mixing and matching with subsequent scores.

I think "1800 to start" means that bench players need a lot higher than 1800!

 

Seriously, my interpretation is that the coach is trying to say that he can make the Academic Index work with a minimum 1800 score. Anything less than that, then even perfect numbers in the other components of the Index won't get through Admissions. I think this is consistent with what you are saying too.

Originally Posted by Green Light:
Originally Posted by slotty:

I also think "to start" means the first-time score which, hopefully, can be improved upon through tutoring and/or mixing and matching with subsequent scores.

I think "1800 to start" means that bench players need a lot higher than 1800!

Ha! Good one!

In this context, I think the "1800 to start"  is reserved for an impact player, and there will only be a couple "1800s"  every year  per the bell curve of the Academic Index.  slotty has given you golden advice to familiarize and fully understand what the Academic Index is.....it is just about everything for ivy recruiting.

 

The coach has to sell the 1800 to the Admission Committee as it will be challenged.   The coach only has so much equity with the AdComm.  1800 can also be a general floor number for the SAT for Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Penn but not Harvard, Yale, Princeton.

 

Ivy coaches almost always encourage their recruits to retake the SAT or ACT (no matter the score) in an attempt to better the recruits chances, help increase the team number, and also make their job easier (approval from the AdComm).  Of course the best situation is to be a high talent and have high board scores which Ivy coaches covet.

 

 

 

 

I figured the more talent the kid has the less the score needs to be.  I guess I had Columbia in the group with Harvard, Yale, and Princeton.   

 

I have a more generic question.  My kid just started high school but he is already narrowing his choices down as he wants big city/high academics.  So we picked out 12 or so Ivy/NESCAC/Centennial type schools and filled out the questionaires over the summer (yeah, I helped him).  I told him not to get jacked up if he got a bunch of emails thanking him for his interest and camp invites and stuff because they would be after my money and I figured there would at least be a computer generated thanks for filling it out.  Instead he got 0 responses.  I know they have a different recruiting schedule but I thought they would at least acknowledge that he filled them out.  Do they just not have any interest in a 2017 yet?

wattsboro,

 

They can't reply yet - not until September 1 of his Junior year.  They can't call until July 1 after Junior year.  There is plenty of time.  If he is a high academic kid, do a search on anything Fenwaysouth has posted.  He has conveyed enough information to write a book.  Have your son concentrate on school and baseball for the next couple of years.

Wattsboro,

 

Green Light and slotty are exactly on the mark.  Think of things from the coaches perspective on this.   They are currently laser focused on finalizing their recruits for this year and positioning themselves for next year.  Academic schools are not going to interested in 2017s at this time for the reasons already mentioned.

 

I applaud your son for having a dream and a plan at this stage of the game.  As someone told me a while ago, "if you don't have dreams....you have nightmares."   The biggest thing you can do for your son is demonstrate how important academics is for these schools, visit these schools (if travel is not too expensive), and continue to develop his baseball skills.  As a parent, continue to follow the academic athletic conferences, admissions requirements and the trends.  There is an certain ebb and flow to everything in these academic conferences as seniors graduate and freshmen replace them.  Not much interrupts that ebb and flow except the occasional player that gets drafted or a rare transfer.  It is vastly more predictable than typical D1 in some cases.  But in other cases, a very successful recruiting class (or two) can really change the order of things.  

 

You can always reach out to me.  I'm here to help.

We have been going thru the recruiting process with Columbia.  If your kid can get an ACT or SAT score in the top 10% percentile, (which I think is a 27/1800), and he is someone they want, you can get in.  I believe that applies for all Ivies except Harvard, Princeton and Yale, which would probably require top 5%.  Good luck. 

The recruiting process is pretty basic to all schools ...I have been helping kids for a number of years - I tell them all the same thing. Freshman year is the year you start your research, keep a list of all the schools and their minimum standards (athletically and academically - no sense barking up the wrong tree). Sophomore year get those emails out - hundreds of them. Junior year narrow everything down - be seen by your target schools and by summer, going into Senior year you will know where you stand and what direction to focus on. Pretty basic stuff. You can get more info on my site or contact me through my site www.BaseballPrep.org
 
Originally Posted by wattsboro:

I figured the more talent the kid has the less the score needs to be.  I guess I had Columbia in the group with Harvard, Yale, and Princeton.   

 

I have a more generic question.  My kid just started high school but he is already narrowing his choices down as he wants big city/high academics.  So we picked out 12 or so Ivy/NESCAC/Centennial type schools and filled out the questionaires over the summer (yeah, I helped him).  I told him not to get jacked up if he got a bunch of emails thanking him for his interest and camp invites and stuff because they would be after my money and I figured there would at least be a computer generated thanks for filling it out.  Instead he got 0 responses.  I know they have a different recruiting schedule but I thought they would at least acknowledge that he filled them out.  Do they just not have any interest in a 2017 yet?

 

Right.  Why would they care about 2017 when virtually no 2016 is on radar yet unless he is a pitcher already showing velocity.  In addition, your son has not accomplished enough academically to get into school.  Right now coaches are identifying 2015s to keep in touch with and follow over this coming year until next Summer.  I'm not trying to be mean, but so many things happen in 2 years so why would they have time for a 2017?  Your son's job is to get better as a player and do what he needs to do in the class room.  If he does that, and puts himself in the right circumstances to get in front of the right coaches, he will get interest in a couple of years.  Good luck. 

My son went to their camp last year as a pitcher, he was genuinely invited by the recruiting coordinator. My son did not perform well enough, but if he did I beleive they would have offered him a spot. We were told that a 2 part SAT of 1250 would get you in.

My son really like the coaching staff and I was impressed with how they ran the camp.

One issue with Columbia is that the field is 30 minutes (probably best case) from the campus and you have to go through Manhattan. Thats alot of time each day. I dont know what we would have done if the did offer him a spot.

My son is at a D3 now and he can see the field from his dorm room which is very convenient.

My boy spoke with Columbia this summer and has stayed in touch.   He is thinking about it.  Can someone share a bit more info about the field and facilities relative to the campus.    Is it up to the boys to get to the field via subway?    Or are there campus shuttles to take the boys over?    

 

Coming from CA, he's not going to have a car.

 

Thanks

Columbia Alum here.  The kids take a shuttle bus in the afternoon from 116th and Broadway. I would say the "normal" time is probably 15 minutes but there is a large standard deviation.  Every day is different.  It's not like an on campus field that you could compare to Cornell or Dartmouth.  Those fields are in the middle of their campus' and really part of the community.  The Columbia player's classmates are not running up there for games even though it's a beautiful complex.  Top notch, modern facility, beautiful backdrop at the tip of Manhattan.  Go visit.  See a show.  Eat well.  The greatest city in the world.  Who would pass up Columbia for those other crummy schools?

I agree.  Columbia's facilities are unique and inspiring.  The visitor's dugout is actually underneath the football stadium.  If you know your kid is a city person, you've got to check out Columbia.  My kid isn't a city kid, so we focused on more rural schools. But, I loved the Columbia campus.

 

BTW...My two youngest son's got a kick out of watching a men's field hockey league at the Columbia complex. They still talk about it to this day, and they understand men's field hockey is big in other countries.  I love that deli across the street from the complex.  Awesome sandwiches.

Ozone posted:

Brett is a great guy and dedicated coach.He recently won an award at a scout dinner I attended. I have been sending him players to check out for a number of years and he always does his due diligence.

Ozone, given your experience, can you provide profile or detail of players you've sent to him and subsequently signed with Columbia, or where some of your players that were close with Columbia,  ended up?  What were those players lacking?  Timing, specific skill, just missed an ACT hash mark?  Any specifics you can enlighten us with are appreciated?

Always looking to help my 2018 enhance his chances for a program like Columbia.  

Thank you.

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