AllKnowing One
Not denying that he is swinging late as he already admits that fact.
BUT
If the batter moves up in the box to hit the pitch before it dies he will cease hitting the top of the ball and begin to hit it squarely.
What will happen? He might begin to hit line drives thru the middle and to right field. And if he begins to do that his confidence will swell and who knows what can happen then
I truly love how you answer questions with questions---is that because you don't know the answers ? I think so
MLB hitters stand in the back of the box.....And, MLB pitchers are the best in the world at changing speeds.....Why do you think they do this?.....There is a reason..... 
First of all ALL KNOWING ONE, we are talking about a HS kid who we know nothing about more than what he posted. The comparisons to MLB hitters and pitchers has no bearing here-- we are talking about a HS kid who is a sophomore and sees mainly pitchers throwing 77 to 82
And again with a question for an answer --you are some piece of work !!!
I know the basic stuff more than you realize I do MR ALL KNOWING DOG-- I only know what has worked for me with kids--not what is written on a website by some supposedly ALL KNOWING instructor
In my town Prognosticator, which is what you claim you are in your profile, means one thing BS !!! Weathermen are pronosticators and they have all the excuses in the world when they are wrong
Get my drift all knowing one
I will stick with what has worked for me at all levels thru HS.
We still dont know what level you have worked with--you never told us
And again with a question for an answer --you are some piece of work !!!
I know the basic stuff more than you realize I do MR ALL KNOWING DOG-- I only know what has worked for me with kids--not what is written on a website by some supposedly ALL KNOWING instructor
In my town Prognosticator, which is what you claim you are in your profile, means one thing BS !!! Weathermen are pronosticators and they have all the excuses in the world when they are wrong
Get my drift all knowing one
I will stick with what has worked for me at all levels thru HS.
We still dont know what level you have worked with--you never told us
I would question the efficacy of telling someone that their swing is over at contact. I take your meaning to be that all force is imparted to the ball at contact and after that the ball is gone. As true as this may be, the human body is not capable of stopping at that point as if it ran into a brick wall. To stop at contact, you would have to decelerate before contact, and that is obviously not adviseable. Telling someone that what happens after contact is unimportant is likely to result in someone misunderstanding you and failing to reach maximum bat head speed at impact.
To have maximum impact at contact, you would have to teach the hitter to continue his swing through the ball, in the sense of not beginning to slow the swing until you are sure that contact is over. In the same way, you wouldn't teach a pitcher to stop his arm action at the very moment the ball left his hand.
To have maximum impact at contact, you would have to teach the hitter to continue his swing through the ball, in the sense of not beginning to slow the swing until you are sure that contact is over. In the same way, you wouldn't teach a pitcher to stop his arm action at the very moment the ball left his hand.
Bluedog, since the last time we had this topic of discussion about swinging through baseball and getting good extension I have done some research with a couple of professionals who have opened my eyes to your point of view about the nano-second after contact and they agreed with what you said earlier and believe me, they know...just trust me, they know all too well and even had film to prove it. The only thing they questioned me on about your theory dealt with the recoil factor opposed to nice high finish. Bluedog, you have got to see Mark Rogers of Brevard County Manatees pitch. I saw him tonight and he was simply unbelievable in mechanics and command of at least four pitches with unbelievable velocity on Fastball, PowerSlider and ChangeUp was absolutely the best I've seen this year anywhere. Not trying to hijack thread but I cannot stop thinking about what I just had the privilage of witnessing here at a FL STATE LEAGUE game. WOW!
Peace, Shep
Peace, Shep
O believe me Blue, you know I was and I always put myself mentally in batter's box of every pitcher I see for at least a couple of pitches and not saying he is unhittable and you know I would never enter an AB w/o "knowing" I can hit another pitcher but I do have to admit, this pitcher intimidated the piss out of me tonight.
Even the Shepster, can you imagine that ?
peace, Shep
Even the Shepster, can you imagine that ?
peace, Shepquote:It's transfer momentum that is merely a coasting action of some soft arms and hands.....
I believe this too but do believe also that the bat-angles have changed since way back then with modern day hitters as well as mechanical approach (period) for purpose of survival of the fittest hitters. The hitters have been forced to make big-time adjustments in the past 25 years or so because of the pitching improvements all the way across the board. It is my opinion after watching miles of old tape of old hitters and pitchers, lets say 25 years or older, that the velocity, movement, command and variety of pitches has improved and changed drastically since the hitters we grew up to worship at a young age were so successful with in prior generations. This is not to say there weren't exceptions to this philosophy but speaking in a majority sense of change, I believe this more and more every day. peace,Shep
I agree Shep...... 
Also, not as many bad pitchers nowadays....
Also, not as many bad pitchers nowadays....
Bluedog, a lumberjack stops when he hits a tree because he has no other choice. A baseball hitter has a choice. In any event, you didn't answer my point at all. I'm pretty much on the same page with TRHit about your alleged expertise at this point.
After lots of reading and thinking, this is what I think:
The principles Blue Dog describes are right on and the best hitters do just as he says. Some of the difference of opinion or failure to communicate comes in the terminology and the lack of understanding that some of the best guys have in exactly what they do.
Some have natural talent -- they swing great from the day a bat is put in their hands. Others figure it out through trial and error and a few lucky ones encounter just the right instructor. Finding that right instructor is the hard part.
I don't know who Blue Dog might be or his playing and coaching background, but there is no doubt about his knowledge and his research to develop that knowledge.
I used to think he was too aggressive in his dealings with TR. Now, I believe the opposite might be true. TR is so upset with Blue Dog that he discounts whatever he says simply because of who said it, which is unfortunate for all of those who are trying to figure out what it takes to be a great hitter.
The principles Blue Dog describes are right on and the best hitters do just as he says. Some of the difference of opinion or failure to communicate comes in the terminology and the lack of understanding that some of the best guys have in exactly what they do.
Some have natural talent -- they swing great from the day a bat is put in their hands. Others figure it out through trial and error and a few lucky ones encounter just the right instructor. Finding that right instructor is the hard part.
I don't know who Blue Dog might be or his playing and coaching background, but there is no doubt about his knowledge and his research to develop that knowledge.
I used to think he was too aggressive in his dealings with TR. Now, I believe the opposite might be true. TR is so upset with Blue Dog that he discounts whatever he says simply because of who said it, which is unfortunate for all of those who are trying to figure out what it takes to be a great hitter.
jemaz
WRONG --totally wrong--dont judge what and who you dont know
We are talking about why this young man is grounding out continually not making him a great hitter--by the way I truly belive great hitters are born with the talent and cannopt be created--- we know nothing about the young mans stance, his swing his bat speed etc--he may even be using the wrong bat size for all we know
Further anyone can research and regurgitate anothers writings and beliefs --that does not mean that are a good instructor nor what they preach is correct not does that mean he has knowledge. It only means he can regurgitate what another wrote or said
MR Dog has a huge problem in that he thinks nobody else knows anything and to aggravate it he never can answer a question without posing another question
As I have said many times before you can listen and beive what he preaches and belive him but I like to know the background of The Preacher< If I dont agree with The preacher it soent mean others have to follwo my lead--the idea of debate is to hear various views and draw upon them
If it were so easy to be a good hitter every hitter would hit the same way now wouldnt they--we will never see that happen
jemaz you are entitled to think what you want of me and that does not bother me
WRONG --totally wrong--dont judge what and who you dont know
We are talking about why this young man is grounding out continually not making him a great hitter--by the way I truly belive great hitters are born with the talent and cannopt be created--- we know nothing about the young mans stance, his swing his bat speed etc--he may even be using the wrong bat size for all we know
Further anyone can research and regurgitate anothers writings and beliefs --that does not mean that are a good instructor nor what they preach is correct not does that mean he has knowledge. It only means he can regurgitate what another wrote or said
MR Dog has a huge problem in that he thinks nobody else knows anything and to aggravate it he never can answer a question without posing another question
As I have said many times before you can listen and beive what he preaches and belive him but I like to know the background of The Preacher< If I dont agree with The preacher it soent mean others have to follwo my lead--the idea of debate is to hear various views and draw upon them
If it were so easy to be a good hitter every hitter would hit the same way now wouldnt they--we will never see that happen
jemaz you are entitled to think what you want of me and that does not bother me
I have to say publicly and honestly that BlueDog has been a God-Send for me because he has helped me to discover so many important variables involved in hitting that I had never really thought of before. Sometimes he may be perceived by others as a bit challenging but until you develop an open mind to his ideas and put in practical application, you really don't understand his points of view and beliefs. I have put many of his ideas in practical application in the cages and on fields of late and here to tell you, BlueDog is right about the mechanical aspects of hitting and deserves more respect from all of us. peace, Shep
quote:Also, a hitter should not stride to the toe and hold that position
Can you please explain why a hitter should not do this?
Thanks.
Jon
TR:
I believe that you are one of the great guys involved in baseball and that an incredible number of players and their families owe you a debt that can never be fully repaid. It would not be an overstatement to call you a national treasure.
That said -- and I understand why -- I think you have closed your mind to what Blue Dog has to say and I also think that he happens to be on the money with much of what he espouses.
I also agree with you that Major League hitters are born and not made and even if you fully understand all of the components of a great swing you may not be able to execute it at a speed fast enough to be successful.
I talk to my youngest son (14) about this a lot, which he does not really enjoy. His response is "Dad, what it comes down to is that you just have to hit the ball and hit it hard."
It is hard to argue with that. Nonetheless, Blue Dog makes a lot of sense, nicely or not.
I believe that you are one of the great guys involved in baseball and that an incredible number of players and their families owe you a debt that can never be fully repaid. It would not be an overstatement to call you a national treasure.
That said -- and I understand why -- I think you have closed your mind to what Blue Dog has to say and I also think that he happens to be on the money with much of what he espouses.
I also agree with you that Major League hitters are born and not made and even if you fully understand all of the components of a great swing you may not be able to execute it at a speed fast enough to be successful.
I talk to my youngest son (14) about this a lot, which he does not really enjoy. His response is "Dad, what it comes down to is that you just have to hit the ball and hit it hard."
It is hard to argue with that. Nonetheless, Blue Dog makes a lot of sense, nicely or not.
jemaz
He has to realize that others may know as much or more than he does--that is the Dogs problem
As for me being a National Treasure forget it--I am just a retired guy who loves the game of baseball and only wishes to give back some of the things I have learned from my experiences.
I am fortunate to have had a great time getting to 64 years of age and doing a lot of things I enjoyed during the travels to this point. I have been blessed with healthy children and for a guy that was not supposed to be here I thank the Almighty for everything that I have had and hopefully will continue to have for many years to come..
He has to realize that others may know as much or more than he does--that is the Dogs problem
As for me being a National Treasure forget it--I am just a retired guy who loves the game of baseball and only wishes to give back some of the things I have learned from my experiences.
I am fortunate to have had a great time getting to 64 years of age and doing a lot of things I enjoyed during the travels to this point. I have been blessed with healthy children and for a guy that was not supposed to be here I thank the Almighty for everything that I have had and hopefully will continue to have for many years to come..
One thing that is worth trying is raising your left elbow higher in your stance just a little bit. If you front elbow is too tight against your side, it can make you cut off your swing early and hit ground balls.
quote:It would not be an overstatement to call you a national treasure.
Jemaz, Nice job in changing the subject but...
That in my estimation is a gross overstatement. Sorry TR, I can't stop laughing as I see the words NATIONAL TREASURE.
How about another one of those NATURAL WONDERS OF THE WORLD?
Please define cusp.
To elaborate, perhaps this will do some good for someone.....
In swinging a bat, the body's load/unload process should be a continuous dynamic process of muscle activation.....
The body loads by stretching muscles in a certain direction, then unloads by stretching those muscles in a different direction....It's an eccentric, concentric process.....The reversal action of the muscles during the load/unload phase needs to be instantaneous in order to be efficient....IOW, you don't load, wait, then unload....
In swinging a bat, the body's load/unload process should be a continuous dynamic process of muscle activation.....
The body loads by stretching muscles in a certain direction, then unloads by stretching those muscles in a different direction....It's an eccentric, concentric process.....The reversal action of the muscles during the load/unload phase needs to be instantaneous in order to be efficient....IOW, you don't load, wait, then unload....
quote:As for me being a National Treasure forget it--I am just a retired guy who loves the game of baseball and only wishes to give back some of the things I have learned from my experiences
TR, your being modest sir. Think about the hundreds or possibly even thousands of kids you have helped. Jemaz is right, IMHO, about you being somewhat of a legend in many circles
Peace Brothers,(I Mean, All of ya'll!)Shep
