Any info on Cornell (school and baseball)?
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Great academic school
Baseball is almost always in the upper rung in the IVIES
A no lose situation with Cornell
Baseball is almost always in the upper rung in the IVIES
A no lose situation with Cornell
Great engineering, baseball, too. Dartmouth and Columbia played for Ivy league title this year. Dartmouth won qnd went 0 and 2 in NCAA regional. I would consider Columbia over all other Ivies...it's in New York, you know... U can be on Tv in the morning, go to class, practice in the afternoon, and go to a Yankees game in the evening, all on the same day, and squeeze in shopping on 5th ave. I know cause my two daughters did it for 4 years each. But you really can't go wrong with any ivy. Good luck
quote:Baseball is almost always in the upper rung in the IVIES
TR should pursue just a LITTLE bit of research before responding.
Ivy League baseball is broken into two 4 team divisions. Cornell plays in the Gehrig division. Reviewing the past 10 years of Ivy League standings reveals the following season results for Cornell baseball in the Gehrig division.
2010 - 3rd.
2009 - T 1st. Win 1 game playoff
2008 - 4th.
2007 - 4th.
2006 - 4th.
2005 - 1st.
2004 - 3rd.
2003 - 4th.
2002 - 4th.
2001 - 4th.
Statisticians would likely label 2005 & 2009 as outlier results. Regardless, these results hardly support the claim that Cornell is "almost always in the upper rung in the IVIES".
All that being said: it is a great school; you'll have an excellent experience; and you'll get to play D1 baseball. You might even play in one of those 'outlier' years.
Ive League baseball hitorical results
DBG
perhaps you should have that crossed hair removed--it doesn't hurt that much--
perhaps you should have that crossed hair removed--it doesn't hurt that much--
Read the post again. Cornell plays in a 4 team division. 60% of time Cornell placed LAST in the division. 20% - Cornell placed 3rd. 20% - they placed 1st. (Their 2009 record was 10-10. Weak Gehrig division that year.)
rowandfan,
You have a PM.
You have a PM.
quote:Originally posted by Louisiana Lightning:
Dartmouth and Columbia played for Ivy league title this year. Dartmouth won qnd went 0 and 2 in NCAA regional
They beat FIU, and almost beat Texas A&M.
Surely you're asking about Cornell in the Ivy League, but there's also Cornell a DIII college in Iowa (Mt Vernon). It's also a highly regarded academic institution, but not Ivy League standard.
Ivy League Cornell
Having visited a few comparable schools with my 2011 son, Cornell's baseball facility is impressive. Turf field, new duguouts, stands and press box.
Cornell and Dartmouth are perhaps the two coldest winter campuses in the Ivy League. Since you're from California, you should evaluate your son's cold tolerance. If he can handle long, cold, dark winters, Cornell will be a great school.
FWIW, The DIII Cornell in Iowa has had more MLB draft picks over the past 4 years.
quote:Originally posted by DXBIBLE:
Cornell and Dartmouth are perhaps the two coldest winter campuses in the Ivy League. Since you're from California, you should evaluate your son's cold tolerance. If he can handle long, cold, dark winters, Cornell will be a great school.
I skied Vermont constantly until the end of high school and remember thinking how cold and deep the snow was in the finger lake region of NY, visiting schools over the Thanksgiving holiday.
Cornell (along with Dartmouth) is the most isolated of the Ivy League schools. Cornell also has the long standing rep of being the easiest Ivy to get into but the toughest to graduate from.
Most of the other Ivies offer many social outlets beyond campus.. some of them also have a rep of getting kids drafted.
I would look carefully at all the other Ivy league schools if your son has the grades and test scores to be considered for such an institution. My daughter was recruited by Ivies and each campus has a distinct feel and niche IMO... visit them all.
Most of the other Ivies offer many social outlets beyond campus.. some of them also have a rep of getting kids drafted.
I would look carefully at all the other Ivy league schools if your son has the grades and test scores to be considered for such an institution. My daughter was recruited by Ivies and each campus has a distinct feel and niche IMO... visit them all.
Cornell does in fact have the highest Ivy acceptance rate at about 20%.
I find threads about this Ivy or that Ivy being the least prestigious humorous. Kinda like being the ugliest contestant at Miss America Pagent or weakest guy at MET RX strongest man contest. Go figure. A kid getting to play at any of them is very fortunate.
I find threads about this Ivy or that Ivy being the least prestigious humorous. Kinda like being the ugliest contestant at Miss America Pagent or weakest guy at MET RX strongest man contest. Go figure. A kid getting to play at any of them is very fortunate.
I was accepted to Cornell in engineering, but chose Renesselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) instead.
I wasn't an athlete, I wanted to be an engineer. A good pick for me, because it was about 3 hours closer to home. Cornell really is in the middle of nowhere, but it was down to those two schools at the end. Frankly, the tie breaker was not having to take humanities with a bunch of humanities majors.
TRHIT's comment should be taken to heart. It's a great school. If you're going to an ivy league school, you're going to get an education.
In the long run, an ivy league diploma is worth more than a 4.57 era and a 1.52 WHIP at a D1.
As a manager in a large company, I can say I hire engineers based more on GPA & college attended than WHIP...
I wasn't an athlete, I wanted to be an engineer. A good pick for me, because it was about 3 hours closer to home. Cornell really is in the middle of nowhere, but it was down to those two schools at the end. Frankly, the tie breaker was not having to take humanities with a bunch of humanities majors.
TRHIT's comment should be taken to heart. It's a great school. If you're going to an ivy league school, you're going to get an education.
In the long run, an ivy league diploma is worth more than a 4.57 era and a 1.52 WHIP at a D1.
As a manager in a large company, I can say I hire engineers based more on GPA & college attended than WHIP...
Probably, but not more than a 1.03 ERA, 0.52 WHIP. 
Nope... Not by a long shot...
You guys are just killing me (with laughter) about these weather and location comments.
C'mon, these kids (Cornell, Dartmouth, Ivys) could care less about the weather, they are after the best possible education, and play baseball in that order. These are really, really smart kids who happen to also be pretty good baseball players. More than 50% of Dartmouths 2010 team is from warm weather climates and Cornell will be close to 50% when you factor in the 2014 recruiting class. When you practice inside, and travel to warm weather climates in March/April for games.....most college students are going to embrace that....its called Spring Break!
It has been 36 years since I've taken Geography. The last time I looked, most of the country was in the middle of NOWHERE. I travel nationally, and alot of my customers are large universities. Most of these large universities are in the middle of nowhere for a reason. So this talk of Dartmouth and Cornell being in the middle of nowhere is true, but very much normal. Cornell and Dartmouth are the rule rather than the exception. The reason they are the rule is many large Universities are land grant instituitions....basically the Federal Gov't gave them the land to start an agriculture, science and engineering school during the Industrial Revolution. Agricultural schools need lots of land that is not available in the city. In Cornell's case they have a public (land grant) and a private charter associated with the school. Both Cornell and Dartmouth are beautiful campuses, especially for those who prefer the country over the city. If you are a "city-slicker", beware there is a whole other world out there!
C'mon, these kids (Cornell, Dartmouth, Ivys) could care less about the weather, they are after the best possible education, and play baseball in that order. These are really, really smart kids who happen to also be pretty good baseball players. More than 50% of Dartmouths 2010 team is from warm weather climates and Cornell will be close to 50% when you factor in the 2014 recruiting class. When you practice inside, and travel to warm weather climates in March/April for games.....most college students are going to embrace that....its called Spring Break!
It has been 36 years since I've taken Geography. The last time I looked, most of the country was in the middle of NOWHERE. I travel nationally, and alot of my customers are large universities. Most of these large universities are in the middle of nowhere for a reason. So this talk of Dartmouth and Cornell being in the middle of nowhere is true, but very much normal. Cornell and Dartmouth are the rule rather than the exception. The reason they are the rule is many large Universities are land grant instituitions....basically the Federal Gov't gave them the land to start an agriculture, science and engineering school during the Industrial Revolution. Agricultural schools need lots of land that is not available in the city. In Cornell's case they have a public (land grant) and a private charter associated with the school. Both Cornell and Dartmouth are beautiful campuses, especially for those who prefer the country over the city. If you are a "city-slicker", beware there is a whole other world out there!
fenwaysouth,
Sorry, not a luaghing matter if your kid hates cold weather, not an uncommon problem with kids from states with great year-round weather. You'll be surprised at the number of kids who transfer out of Cornell, Dartmouth, and other similarly situated colleges because of the length and intensity of the winter weather.
As for me, the education trumps all other considerations, but if you are seriously unhappy, it's a real problem. A depressed kid doesn't learn whereever he attends school.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/e...suicides-16_ST_N.htm
Sorry, not a luaghing matter if your kid hates cold weather, not an uncommon problem with kids from states with great year-round weather. You'll be surprised at the number of kids who transfer out of Cornell, Dartmouth, and other similarly situated colleges because of the length and intensity of the winter weather.
As for me, the education trumps all other considerations, but if you are seriously unhappy, it's a real problem. A depressed kid doesn't learn whereever he attends school.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/e...suicides-16_ST_N.htm
DXBible,
Understandable. Yes, and some of these personal issues go beyond baseball. I was responding in the context of baseball.
I went to school in the Northeast. Yes, I can see how the winter & remote location can be a factor in someone's activity levels, and moods. But for some, who are not used to it, or know how to deal with it...I think you bring up a good point. I would also argue that kids coming from the "country" (non-city) who want to go to school in the big city are going to be overwhelmed with stimuli and activities. These kids will also transfer if they can't adapt. In the end, you have to know your son/daughter, their style and comfort zone IMHO.
Understandable. Yes, and some of these personal issues go beyond baseball. I was responding in the context of baseball.
I went to school in the Northeast. Yes, I can see how the winter & remote location can be a factor in someone's activity levels, and moods. But for some, who are not used to it, or know how to deal with it...I think you bring up a good point. I would also argue that kids coming from the "country" (non-city) who want to go to school in the big city are going to be overwhelmed with stimuli and activities. These kids will also transfer if they can't adapt. In the end, you have to know your son/daughter, their style and comfort zone IMHO.
I have several friends who went to Cornell. I have toured the campus but don't remember a lot other than it was on an elevated location. It was an okay campus and I was there in the summer. Finger lakes are great at that time of year.
Personally we would not consider a cold weather school. You have a one time 4 year experience and BB is meant to be played in warm weather.
As far as the education, undergrad work is pretty similar no matter where you go.
Location was one of the most important factors and that precluded cold weather schools.
Looking back we made a great choice. My son also ruled out any school in the boonies as he put it.
Personally we would not consider a cold weather school. You have a one time 4 year experience and BB is meant to be played in warm weather.
As far as the education, undergrad work is pretty similar no matter where you go.
Location was one of the most important factors and that precluded cold weather schools.
Looking back we made a great choice. My son also ruled out any school in the boonies as he put it.
quote:As far as the education, undergrad work is pretty similar no matter where you go.
Bobblehead,
I couldn't disagree with you more with this statement (above).
In my mind, this would be like me saying: "If you want to be a professional baseball player, you can can go to any college baseball team in the country". The truth is that some schools have a track record of success and proficiency in some areas of study. Just as some college baseball teams are predisposed to developing baseball talent, some schools are predisposed to developing legal, medical, engineering, business, etc.. talent. Your chances of professional success will be greater with an established school or an established college baseball program as the case may be.
I know lot of guys who went to lower level colleges who play pro ball so that is incorrect One pitcher is an every day guy who plays for the mets. I won't mention his name as his Dad used to post here.
John Axford is the closer for the brewers. He attended Canisius and had a 1-8 record in a weak conference.
I could go on .
You can get drafted from any college.
John Axford is the closer for the brewers. He attended Canisius and had a 1-8 record in a weak conference.
I could go on .
You can get drafted from any college.
quote:some schools are predisposed to developing legal, medical, engineering, business, etc.. talent.
The last time I checked that was post grad not under grad. Post grad is a totally different issue. My son's one roommate is 2nd year law at University of South Carolina. He aplied to 2 law schools and got accepted in both.
It is a mistake to assume going to a big name school means you will get a great job.
Nice little diatribe !!
Nice little diatribe !!
I agree that going to a "big name" school doesn't necessarily correlate to getting a great job. But I also don't think one should not strive for academic success because it "can be done" otherwise. Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard based on a business idea, and now he's a billionaire. Just because he did it doesn't mean it is the best way to go about successfully making money.
I prefer to call this a discussion Bobblehead not a diatribe.
I prefer to call this a discussion Bobblehead not a diatribe.
Sorry it looked like a diatribe.
My point is simple pretty well any accredited college will give you a decent education. I went to a brand name school and it was what you make of it. Some profs are better than others and there are some bad ones in any college. Many brilliant profs are not great teachers.
There are thousands of great schools in the US.
My point is simple pretty well any accredited college will give you a decent education. I went to a brand name school and it was what you make of it. Some profs are better than others and there are some bad ones in any college. Many brilliant profs are not great teachers.
There are thousands of great schools in the US.
Bobblehead,
How do you argue with the statistics that show that the highest salaries in the short term and long term after college consistently come from better, more reputable schools? The top 20 is almost all Ivies, engineering schools, Stanford, Duke and those of that mold.
Maybe it's because they have smarter kids, sure, but that's because they have the ability to choose which kids they want from the thousands that apply. Considering how competitive the college admissions process is these days, people recognize that getting into an Ivy league school shows incredible intelligence. For a baseball player that may be helped a little bit by the coach as an athlete to have the opportunity to go to one of these schools, and not have to tell his future employer that he may or may not have gotten in without baseball, is invaluable.
You're taking the exception and making it the rule. John Axford went to Canisius? Well, Roger Clemens went to Texas. And so did a number of other MLB players...
How do you argue with the statistics that show that the highest salaries in the short term and long term after college consistently come from better, more reputable schools? The top 20 is almost all Ivies, engineering schools, Stanford, Duke and those of that mold.
Maybe it's because they have smarter kids, sure, but that's because they have the ability to choose which kids they want from the thousands that apply. Considering how competitive the college admissions process is these days, people recognize that getting into an Ivy league school shows incredible intelligence. For a baseball player that may be helped a little bit by the coach as an athlete to have the opportunity to go to one of these schools, and not have to tell his future employer that he may or may not have gotten in without baseball, is invaluable.
You're taking the exception and making it the rule. John Axford went to Canisius? Well, Roger Clemens went to Texas. And so did a number of other MLB players...
baseball168:
Actually, every study and article that I have ever seen shows little or no difference in lifetime earnings for the more elite schools and the large state universities. You might get an edge at the start from these schools, but after that, it is pretty much up to the individual. But, in the end, broad statistics are not going to matter much either way, unless you live you life by this stuff.
Bobblehead is absolutely correct in his statement that there are lots of great schools in the US that produce lots and lots of successful graduates, many of them beginning at community colleges.
Actually, every study and article that I have ever seen shows little or no difference in lifetime earnings for the more elite schools and the large state universities. You might get an edge at the start from these schools, but after that, it is pretty much up to the individual. But, in the end, broad statistics are not going to matter much either way, unless you live you life by this stuff.
Bobblehead is absolutely correct in his statement that there are lots of great schools in the US that produce lots and lots of successful graduates, many of them beginning at community colleges.
Obama - Columbia
Bush - Yale
Clinton - Yale
Bush - Yale
Regan - Eureka
Carter - US Naval Academy
Ford - Yale
Nixon - Duke Law
Johnson - SW Texas Teachers
Kennedy - Harvard
Eisenhower - USMA West Point
And it keeps on going. Take a look at SC Justices or heads of major companies and the results sre similar
Go to Wall St and compare the number of "players" from Harvard Business or Wharton to those from Acme State U. Go to the major law firms around the country. Where are the partners from? Harvard, Stanford, Yale et.al.
Sure, grads of State U have lots of success. But the major schools have their reps for a reason. Their grads run the country.
Bush - Yale
Clinton - Yale
Bush - Yale
Regan - Eureka
Carter - US Naval Academy
Ford - Yale
Nixon - Duke Law
Johnson - SW Texas Teachers
Kennedy - Harvard
Eisenhower - USMA West Point
And it keeps on going. Take a look at SC Justices or heads of major companies and the results sre similar
Go to Wall St and compare the number of "players" from Harvard Business or Wharton to those from Acme State U. Go to the major law firms around the country. Where are the partners from? Harvard, Stanford, Yale et.al.
Sure, grads of State U have lots of success. But the major schools have their reps for a reason. Their grads run the country.
Some are missing the point of going to an Ivy League school in the first place... It is NOT about the education you will receive there. We all know very successful people who went to the local community college.
It is about NETWORKING...
You will meet professors who can put you in touch with colleagues who will get you in the door to meet fortune 500 execs. You will be given the opportunity to meet distinguished alumns who can network you into your chosen career. And assuming you can get out of your dorm or off the playing field and socialize a bit you will meet kids from around the world who will be shakers and movers on a planetary scale one day.
You can learn business marketing anywhere but you wouldnt have gone to school with former EBay CEO Meg Whitman unless you went to Princeton.
Its the old saying its not what you know but who you know...
It is about NETWORKING...
You will meet professors who can put you in touch with colleagues who will get you in the door to meet fortune 500 execs. You will be given the opportunity to meet distinguished alumns who can network you into your chosen career. And assuming you can get out of your dorm or off the playing field and socialize a bit you will meet kids from around the world who will be shakers and movers on a planetary scale one day.
You can learn business marketing anywhere but you wouldnt have gone to school with former EBay CEO Meg Whitman unless you went to Princeton.
Its the old saying its not what you know but who you know...
Bothsports don't assume that isn't true of most colleges.
I do agree with the net working aspect but it is true in all colleges.
We have a College her called Ridley college. It is actually a private, expensive high school. Parents who can ill afford it send their kids there under the same logic. I know several of the kids and in the end they had no advantage worth the thousands that they paid.
I do agree with the net working aspect but it is true in all colleges.
We have a College her called Ridley college. It is actually a private, expensive high school. Parents who can ill afford it send their kids there under the same logic. I know several of the kids and in the end they had no advantage worth the thousands that they paid.
Gamefish I have to laugh. You guys cut up your Presidents and you are recommending their schools.
How many of these guys just have undergrad degrees ? How many of them did their post grad work at these colleges ? Probably all of them.
If you recall I mentioned it is very important where you do your post grad.
If you want to work for Microsoft I would recommend Waterloo here in Ontario. Disney I would recommend Sheridan College here in Ontario.
when you have a goal you should choose accordingly. Undergrad is more general. My son took a commerce degree like I have. Very useful for many fields. Learn accounting, Marketing economics etc. Can't go too wrong. I took maths, biology and even got to dissect a real person.
How many of these guys just have undergrad degrees ? How many of them did their post grad work at these colleges ? Probably all of them.
If you recall I mentioned it is very important where you do your post grad.
If you want to work for Microsoft I would recommend Waterloo here in Ontario. Disney I would recommend Sheridan College here in Ontario.
when you have a goal you should choose accordingly. Undergrad is more general. My son took a commerce degree like I have. Very useful for many fields. Learn accounting, Marketing economics etc. Can't go too wrong. I took maths, biology and even got to dissect a real person.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Gamefish I have to laugh. You guys cut up your Presidents and you are recommending their schools.
If you recall I mentioned it is very important where you do your post grad.
You've missed the entire point as badly as it's possible to miss it. Let me try one more time. The list of Presidents had nothing to do with the US Presidency. Look at the power they hold and the common denominator of their education. Same with the other power brokers.
As to your 2nd point, where do you think the post grads at those power schools did their under grad, by and large?
State U is not sending, proportionally, near the numbers that the upper tier schools do. Look, I have BA, MA from LA Tech and Ph.D. from U N TX. Regional schools. I taught college for a couple of years. I know of which I speak. I know where my classmates went. Wasn't Wall St, the White House, or Harvard Business/Wharton. I think maybe your Canadian mind set is arguing how you think it should be as ppposed to the way it really is.
No you missed the point. These are guys who went to these schools to get a Law degree or what ever. Not just a Bachelors degree. That is the distiction I made.
I have several friends who went to Harvard after attending a Canadian U. One is finishing his Doctorate . Harvard competed for him to attend against Princeton and Yale.
The guy heading the liberal party here is a Harvard grad and he taught there for years. A big loser. The party is trying to get the starch out of his personality.
I have several friends who went to Harvard after attending a Canadian U. One is finishing his Doctorate . Harvard competed for him to attend against Princeton and Yale.
The guy heading the liberal party here is a Harvard grad and he taught there for years. A big loser. The party is trying to get the starch out of his personality.
I'll say it once more. Look at where the majority of those post grad did their undergrad. It isn't at state U
Jemaz,
You're right that it is about the individual. I completely agree. But, when you look at the bigger picture and not the individual, and look at an entire graduating class (or most of it) rather than the top 10 from any class, the top schools do better in the long run. Here is a study, showing first year and mid-career median salaries.
http://www.payscale.com/best-c...alary-statistics.asp
You're right that it is about the individual. I completely agree. But, when you look at the bigger picture and not the individual, and look at an entire graduating class (or most of it) rather than the top 10 from any class, the top schools do better in the long run. Here is a study, showing first year and mid-career median salaries.
http://www.payscale.com/best-c...alary-statistics.asp
quote:You'll be surprised at the number of kids who transfer out of Cornell, Dartmouth, and other similarly situated colleges because of the length and intensity of the winter weather.
1. My son played at Dartmouth for 4 years. In those years not a single baseball player transferred from the school - due to weather or any other reason.
2. You can't debate the merits of an Ivy League undergraduate education with BHD. He is a self-declared expert on all facets of Ivy League life.
