Dallas Patriots now in East Texas

Will they try to steal players in East Texas, like the current group in the metroplex area?

ummm... wow...

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Originally posted by 643_DP:
Will they try to steal players in East Texas, like the current group in the metroplex area?

What's the basis for your comment 643_DP? Do you have any facts or are you just tired of getting beaten by the Patriots?

643_
What's the deal? Disappointed with the success some of the organizations like the Mustangs, Tigers, and Patriots are having?

Pretty interesting you lump the Patriots in with the DBAT Mustangs and Tigers. Are you sure they deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence? Disappointed with other teams success? That's one of the dumber statements I've read on this board. I think it's great for all involved if all of the organizations are successful. Hope you keep in mind that it's about the young men wearing the jerseys...it's not about who has the most trophies.

As far as having facts about a situation...absolutely, 100% fact...it involves one of our players.

I guess when you're so busy telling everyone how many of your current players are "ranked" by PGCrosschecker and telling everyone you have 8 Div I signees, you don't have time to pick up the phone and make an ethical/courtesy call/email.

Weak sauce in my book. Man up and do things the right way.

It's all good though, because not only is the player not returning to play with us, he's not joining the Pats either. After a couple of phone calls to some of our friends, he'll be playing for DBAT. So, there goes your conspiracy theory about being disappointed in other teams success...

643_DB - Don't put words in peoples mouth. No one in this thread is talking/throwing around trophies in regards to success. Don't be a hater of some good baseball organizations.
Also don't see anyting like that from the thread originator.
Was your ego bruised at some point?

You're right, no one is talking/throwing around trophies, etc...you were just name dropping. Nothing like trying to ride on someone else's coattails.

Hater of other organizations? Nope, quite the opposite.

I'd love to keep up the friendly banter, but I have to make a self promotional video of myself for my website. After that, I'm going shopping for a watch.

Best of luck this season!

Kids and parents have their own reason for picking a team and in this case switching teams. There is no reason why a kid shouldn't be able to switch teams each Summer.

Maybe the parents think it is a better opportunity for their son. Maybe the player wants to try something new. Maybe they feel he will get more "exposure".

Whatever the reason is really none of our business. But I'm willing to bet if the player and parents were completely happy and comfortable with their situation, then they wouldn't be switching teams.

Bottom line is that there are no 4-year contracts for select teams. The kids should play for whoever they want.

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Originally posted by TurnTwo1:
Kids and parents have their own reason for picking a team and in this case switching teams. There is no reason why a kid shouldn't be able to switch teams each Summer.

Maybe the parents think it is a better opportunity for their son. Maybe the player wants to try something new. Maybe they feel he will get more "exposure".

Whatever the reason is really none of our business. But I'm willing to bet if the player and parents were completely happy and comfortable with their situation, then they wouldn't be switching teams.

Bottom line is that there are no 4-year contracts for select teams. The kids should play for whoever they want.

Often true.

But even more often reality proves the grass ain't always greener on the other side.

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Originally posted by 643_DP: Will they try to steal players

Now that's one dumb statement. Has to rank in the top three for 2010.
Players aren't stolen they choose to leave.

I know nothing about the Dallas Patriots but since everyone signs a one year contract, aren't they eligible to play for a different team each year??? Every kid fits into an organization differently. I think it is up to him and hopefully his parents to make what they think is a good choice. Sometimes the grass is greener on the other side of the fence and sometimes it ain't... just my opinion...

In the past it was a season to season deal. Most stayed to play again. A few would leave due to money, location, too many players at one position, wanting more playing time, wanting to participate in certain events. A coach shouldn't approach players on another team during the season but it is hard to ignore when they are approached by players. Beast is right, you can't take players that aren't willing to go.

I ran across this......Fod for thought....

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Dad0406,

I understand. Those teams were very good. Both organizations remain successful on the field, and in helping place kids on college teams. Ultimately, that is the final goal. I simply present my 'example' to support my opinion of what can (did?) happen when high profile coaches leave premier organizations.

Events as I recall them:

The 16U Knights won the MMWS w/ Logan Stout as coach. Logan left the Knights and started his Patiots team. As I recall, the entire 16U Knights roster went with him.

Some of the 16U & 15U Mustangs coaches (not Jack) left after the 2002 season. A handful of players who were being placed on the 17U team left when those coaches departed. A few others left for the reasons listed by BigHit - mostly over playing time & positions. By my count (estimate) Sam kept 5-6 of the 16U players from 2002 for his 2003 18U team.

Food for thought....

12Play brings up an oldie but goodie. East Texas to West Texas, it won't matter. The game is settled on the field and the last time I checked there has never been a picture taken at the upper levels (AABC, Connie Mack, Mickey Mantle, Perfect Game) with Patriots jerseys holding a championship banner.

Case closed. Next.

Oh not so fast Chief, rumor has it that the Great Patriot Nation has it's eye on your TeePee. Then they will conquer the mighty AABC's.

Chief Nacahoma, the Dallas Patriots won the 2003 AABC MMWS after winning it the previous year.

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Originally posted by 643_DP:
Will they try to steal players in East Texas, like the current group in the metroplex area?

Isn't that also known as recruiting?


That's exactly what the Patriots are doing. It's a good idea. Hold tryouts in East Texas, as it's an untapped market, a lot like Oklahoma and Arkansas. (Problem is that the elite/cream of the crop programs get on those guys extremely early in the process, and April seems to be late).

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Originally posted by 12Play:
The 16U Knights won the MMWS w/ Logan Stout as coach. Logan left the Knights and started his Patriots team. As I recall, the entire 16U Knights roster went with him.

Since our team was mentioned I would like to set the record straight about Logan Stout's involvement with the Dallas Knights. The quoted post makes it seem as if he stole players from our team and that isn't true.

I started the Dallas Knights in 1996 and Logan played for my 18u team in 1997 & 1998. I brought Logan in as a coach for our Dallas Knights 16u team in 2000 and our Knights 16u team indeed won the MMWS in 2002. To say that Logan "left" the Knights and took players with him after the 2002 season sounds a little harsh and is actually inaccurate as I terminated him from being a part of the organization after that season for reasons I would rather not get into on this forum. Since we had several 15 year-olds on that 2002 team I allowed Logan to keep those players with him as he began his own organization and the Patriots did win the MMWS in their first summer season of 2003 with that very talented group of kids. Two of those 15 year-olds (Jerrod Hood & Heath Pugh) ended up returning to finish out their high school careers with our 2005 18u team.

In 2004 Cade Griffis and I merged the Knights & Dbat and in 2007 I retired from 18u ball to coach my youngest son's team. That team is the Dallas Knights 8u and we are now having a blast at 8u coach pitch. I do miss the 18u level of play but I get my fix by keeping up with old friends, old ballplayers and the nice folks here on the HSBBWEB.

[/QUOTE]To say that Logan "left" the Knights and took players with him after the 2002 season sounds a little harsh and is actually inaccurate as I terminated him from being a part of the organization after that season for reasons I would rather not get into on this forum.[/QUOTE]

Well DK GM...you sure did "get into it" with your comments and opened the door to a lot of speculation. I don't know the story, but why even bring it up at this point after 8 years?

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Originally posted by Dallas Knights GM:

The 16U Knights won the MMWS w/ Logan Stout as coach.

From the Dallas Patriot website...

"The Patriots won the AABC Mickey Mantle World Series in 2002".

Well somebody is fibbing here. Which one is it?

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Originally posted by doubleday:

I don't know the story, but why even bring it up at this point after 8 years?

Why not? Wouldn't we, as parents, want to know if there is any dishonesty out there?

How bout we talk about the most recent MMWS. If i'm not mistaken the Dallas Patriots 16u which played without several other keys players they have picked up for this summer beat D-Bats top 16u team and the Tigers Top 16u before losing in the championship.

I thought we weren't talking about trophies? I guess that's out the window. I'm sure the Patriots have their "eye on the prize", but unfortunately that road runs right through DBAT-Guthrie and DBAT-Carpenter. Patriots can continue their unethical ways, it won't matter. Zero chance they make it to Farmington. I am looking forward to a very interesting summer!

FYI...big difference between recent MMWS and going to Farmington. That's almost as ridiculous as wearing a suit and tie to a coaches convention.

Keep waving those Super Series banners boys!

I can assure you that Dallas Knights GM is not the most ethical or honest person. I would be careful what you listen to that comes out of his mouth.

You all are kidding me, right?

The Dallas Patriots 17u team will smoke any of Dbat or the Tigers 17u teams. Just like they did last year as 16 year olds.

As for the Patriots being unethical, I am a coach for the organization and we do not steal players. We have open tryouts during the fall and spring and any player that we sign has either seen us on the field and inquired about our organization or attended a tryout.

Our organization is about the kids, not our coaches or the organization itself, but simply the kids. Our goal is to teach them not only about the game of baseball, but about how to be good dads, good husbands, good employees and men of integrity. As coaches we teach them how to be servant leaders, which helps them focus on being others-oriented all the while building the character of Christ.

For families and kids who truly know the Patriots what I’ve said comes as no surprise, however the negative comments above resound with a clear lack of knowledge of who the Patriots are.

The Patriots by far are not perfect and we make mistakes, but I promise you one thing the mistakes we make are admitted and worked through.

It is disheartening the way people treat other individuals and organizations on this blog and not just this blog, but blogs in general. It is my job to promote tryouts, camps ect... or trust me I wouldn’t be on this thing.

There is no doubt that people make us angry, but we are called to respond not react. This brings a verse to mind from James 1:26 “If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue he deceives himself....” This verse helps me when I really want to fire back at another person.

Bottom line let’s talk about baseball, about player success and remember those that like to start confrontation on blogs are as Ed Young says

B asement
L iving
O ppinon
G iving

People.

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Originally posted by Pick Johnson:
Wow...

http://www.ripoffreport.com/sp...ball-false-dbfy6.htm
 
http://www.ripoffreport.com/sp...off-forney-42ccw.htm
 
http://www.ripoffreport.com/sp...ball-ripof-yy2d6.htm
 
http://www.ripoffreport.com/sp...mmed-ripof-wbp78.htm

This is a load of **** Pick. You obviously have an agenda. Why else would you go and dig up stuff from 5 years ago? All of these are from 2005 and appear to be from the same couple of people. If this is the best you can come up with from the thousands of kids that have played for the Patriots over the last 8 years, it must be a pretty well run organization.

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Originally posted by bmcfadd:
Chief Nacahoma, the Dallas Patriots won the 2003 AABC MMWS after winning it the previous year.

I stand corrected (with peace pipe) bmc. After reading this thread I did some arrowhead searching myself. I didn't find any points but I did find a nugget. www.loganstout.com has given me a whole new outlook on the spirit world.

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Originally posted by doubleday:

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Originally posted by Pick Johnson:
Wow...

http://www.ripoffreport.com/sp...ball-false-dbfy6.htm
 
http://www.ripoffreport.com/sp...off-forney-42ccw.htm
 
http://www.ripoffreport.com/sp...ball-ripof-yy2d6.htm
 
http://www.ripoffreport.com/sp...mmed-ripof-wbp78.htm

This is a load of **** Pick. You obviously have an agenda. Why else would you go and dig up stuff from 5 years ago? All of these are from 2005 and appear to be from the same couple of people. If this is the best you can come up with from the thousands of kids that have played for the Patriots over the last 8 years, it must be a pretty well run organization.

Hey Doubleday, I didn't write anything on the ripoff report. Simply posting a few things that are out there that may or may not fall in line with some innuendos on this thread. Simply doing a internet search. You will see, I didn't comment one way or another. Obviously you are a big Patriot supporter. You have every right to and protect your allegiance. But to suggest an agenda with simple internet findings may be cause for an agenda itself on your part.

bmcfadd,
You showed so much integrity by bunting with a ten run lead in a tourney recently...

This is comical. BMcFluff, you should do your homework. My former player NEVER contacted your group. His parents NEVER contacted your group. They had NEVER seen you guys play. Here's the funny part, you guys had NEVER seen nor heard of the kid. The kid was cherry picked from PGCrosschecker rankings! Awesome work! Way to work hard on the recruiting trail.

Here's some direct quotes from your "representative":

"We have 8 Div 1 signees on our roster, so your son should definitely come play for us."

"Without a doubt, we are the best team in this area, so scouts and colleges will flock to our games."

"All of our players sign scholarships."

Once the parent informed me you guys made contact, and expressed interest in playing for a good group in the metroplex, I helped find them a good group. There was no animosity/drama, etc...I picked up the phone and called another club to help the kid and his family.

Next time, just pick up the phone and give us a heads up. Common courtesy would've gone a long way.

Maybe you should spend some time reading your own blog's quotes:

“Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires” (Romans 8:5).

“You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ” (Romans 8:11).

Keep on fightin' the good fight...

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Originally posted by glorydays123456:
bmcfadd,
You showed so much integrity by bunting with a ten run lead in a tourney recently...

Registered just today to throw some mud.....classy.

I have been hesitant to join in on this conversation as it appears the emotions are high and the last thing I need is to get into this...but the following I have witnessed first hand on how the Patriot coaches feel about their players.

This spring our HS team was in a tournament in Round Rock. The younger Patriot teams were playing in the area and had a break between games. Three of the coaches jump in the car to come watch and support the HS Patriots. They were only able to stay about 45 minutes, and they could have not shown up and no one would have known the difference.

During the season, I have seen no less than 8 different Patriot coaches at the games to support their players. During one game, one of the Patriots kids had the chance to win the game with a runner on 2nd and 2 outs in the 7th. The kid grounded out. Even though there were probably 7 or 8 other Patriots on the field that night, Logan stayed after the game and spent 15 minutes with that player. I don't know what was said, but it was clear that Logan reaching out to that player.

Lastly, during the try-outs, the coaches talk to each player individually. They speak honestly to the player about their opinion of their strengths and weaknesses and if they have made a team or not or if they would like to see them work out again.

My son has been to other tryouts where the end of the tryout is awkward and they say they will call...then you get a 2 line email a week later.

I don't know much about the other items talked about here, and alot of it seems to be pretty old. I am also certain that there are good and bad things about every organization. To focus on only the negative seems to be disigned to hurt the organization or seek revenge.

The pettiness, rancor, and ugliness of some of the replies to this thread is amazing and sad. If you don't like an organization or a coach or a player why do you feel it's necessary to disparage them on-line and anonymously? The Dallas Patriots teams are full of boys just like yours. They play for the love of the game. They put in long hours of practice with their team mates and coaches and probably win more often than not - on and off the field. The Patriots instill solid values in the boys - from sportsmanship and spiritualness to the benefits of hard work.

Most of you don't know the Patriots organization, you only think you do. That's too bad. If you have questions and would like a parent's or a player's point of view, send me an email, I'd be glad to talk to you stanwood@sbcglobal.net

Select baseball....for another season. Thanks everyone for your posts.