Did pitcher/catcher conspire to hit this ump on purpose?

Ok... I am going to say yes it was intentional though I wish I could see more pitches to see how the catcher reacts to other pitches on the outside.

I would not have walked off the field... I would have dumped the coach, pitcher and catcher... Then called the police and filed an assault charge. I might have also forfeited the game...

It's definitely intentional. The catcher is a rookie...it's not a new trick and the catcher is supposed to step out as if he's expecting a pitch out then appear to dive back at the last minute so it appears that it's not intentional.

I agree TX-ump, dump both of them and the coach.

Old fashion "grill job"

No brainer.

That umpire is tough as nails too.

Yes, it was intentional. The C dropped to block the ball as if it was in the LH batter's box. I would have expected the P, C and Coach to get dumped. If I were the ump, I wouldn't have filed any charges.

With that being said, who the hell does the P and C think they are?!? The P is throwing 80 (maybe) and the C can't receive worth a ****. Perhaps if they did their job better, the umpire wouldn't "miss" calls.

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Originally posted by redbird5:
Yes, it was intentional. The C dropped to block the ball as if it was in the LH batter's box. I would have expected the P, C and Coach to get dumped. If I were the ump, I wouldn't have filed any charges.

With that being said, who the hell does the P and C think they are?!? The P is throwing 80 (maybe) and the C can't receive worth a ****. Perhaps if they did their job better, the umpire wouldn't "miss" calls.

Redbird... why wouldn't you file charges? Though the umpire wears equipment we still can get hurt, broken hand, arm or fingers, possible concussion. They conspired to hurt you...premeditated assault...

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
Redbird... why wouldn't you file charges? Though the umpire wears equipment we still can get hurt, broken hand, arm or fingers, possible concussion. They conspired to hurt you...premeditated assault...

Because, IMO, you are stooping to their level. Just my opinion and you don't have to agree with it. Why involve law enforcement with no persistent threat? and, yes, I know the persistent threat is not germane to an assault charge.

I would have forfeited the game and done whatever I could to make sure that team, players and coaches never played in another tournament by that sanctioning body. I think that punishment is more relevant and equitable than pursuing legal matters which, most likely, be no more than a slap on the wrist.

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Originally posted by funneldrill:
It's definitely intentional. The catcher is a rookie...it's not a new trick

An extremely chicken s*** trick that has obviously been taught. Screw 'em all, but especially the coach.

IMO, it's no different then when a runner goes in spikes up! It's intentional and defensive players can get seriously injured. And usually the ump doesn't see it as malicious and runner doesn't even get tossed.

I do agree that it was intentional and players and coach should be ejected from the tourney and team forced to forfeit and ejection from tourney.

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Originally posted by NuffSaid:
IMO, it's no different then when a runner goes in spikes up! It's intentional and defensive players can get seriously injured...

I disagree with your comparison. When I slid into someone, I wasn't trying to intentionally hurt them, just disrupt them. I played SS and had no problem with people trying to take me out as long as they didn't mind me coming down on top of them with my elbows and knees. I didn't want to sprain a wrist landing on them. Of course, given enough time, they wouldn't have a chance to take me out lest they get 'earholed'.

And, the umpire is not a defensive player (obviously). He is an official and should be treated as such. He is defenseless, whereas the fielder is not.

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Originally posted by redbird5:

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Originally posted by NuffSaid:
IMO, it's no different then when a runner goes in spikes up! It's intentional and defensive players can get seriously injured...

I disagree with your comparison. When I slid into someone, I wasn't trying to intentionally hurt them, just disrupt them. I played SS and had no problem with people trying to take me out as long as they didn't mind me coming down on top of them with my elbows and knees. I didn't want to sprain a wrist landing on them. Of course, given enough time, they wouldn't have a chance to take me out lest they get 'earholed'.

And, the umpire is not a defensive player (obviously). He is an official and should be treated as such. He is defenseless, whereas the fielder is not.

We can agree to disagree, but in my original quote I stated "a runner that goes in spikes up". To me, a normal take-out slide is far different than a "spikes up" slide that is meant to intentionally injure a player.

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Originally posted by ironhorse:

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Originally posted by funneldrill:
It's definitely intentional. The catcher is a rookie...it's not a new trick

An extremely chicken s*** trick that has obviously been taught. Screw 'em all, but especially the coach.

You are correct ironhorse. In all my years coaching I'm glad to say I've never seen it done.

Throw them out along with the coach. Lesson learned. File charges? Seriously? That's whats wrong with our country now everyone wants to file charges or sue someone rather than just taking care of it themselves. They are a couple of 16 year old kids making a dumb decision. Let's go ump toughen up and take charge of the situation yourself.

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Originally posted by throw'n bb's:
Throw them out along with the coach. Lesson learned. File charges? Seriously? That's whats wrong with our country now everyone wants to file charges or sue someone rather than just taking care of it themselves. They are a couple of 16 year old kids making a dumb decision. Let's go ump toughen up and take charge of the situation yourself.

I would have to agree with you throw'n. I think filing charges is a bit much.

Now, I'm not an umpire so I have to admit that I don't walk in their shoes. There is a fine line here no doubt. If there were an argument and the pitcher struck the umpire, I could see the umpire filing charges. I guess the incident in the video could be interpreted as assault since the ball was used as a weapon. Ball...fist...what's the difference? I guess I'm talking myself into siding with tx-ump here.

I'm not a lawyer so I don't know what kind of case the ump would have. But if he feels that strongly about it, he has the right to bring legal action against the pitcher. So would the catcher and coach be charged with "Conspiracy to commit assault?"

These are the some of the important questions that need to be answered in the dog days of August!!!

Next thing will be hearing is a batter filing a lawsuit on a pitcher because he got it at the plate.
and the ump for not taking control of the game before it happened.... If I was that ump I dump the catcher, pitcher and coach end of store.

This was not only intentional, this was criminal. Criminals need to be stopped and punished. Would you not file charges if some 16 year olds jumped you? Actions have reactions. Criminal actions have severe repercussions. Not filling charges sends the message we our not accountable for our actions. I have a full time job, that pays full time wages, with full time benefits. Neither my family, nor my employer can afford to have me miss work, because some punk kid does not like my strike zone. Responsibility and accountability go hand in hand, just like ham and eggs. We are responsible for our actions, and should be held accountable for our actions. Ejection is not near severe enough penalty for this criminal act.

Blind guy I really hope you are not in any way affiliated with baseball in a coaching or officiating capacity. In your mind we should lock up every big league pitcher who ever played the game. They have all thrown at a player on purpose.

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Originally posted by throw'n bb's:
Blind guy I really hope you are not in any way affiliated with baseball in a coaching or officiating capacity. In your mind we should lock up every big league pitcher who ever played the game. They have all thrown at a player on purpose.

According to his profile. Blind guy is an umpire. Scary huh?

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Originally posted by Blindguy:
This was not only intentional, this was criminal...... We are responsible for our actions, and should be held accountable for our actions. Ejection is not near severe enough penalty for this criminal act.

I'm trying to remember what happened to that one country...remember a long time ago???...where the leader ran around arbitrarily declaring things were criminal and then assigned the severity of the punishment as he saw fit...something about a police state, then a holocaust, then a complete collapse....started with a "G", I think...