Discussion of Averages

There's no way to say, and I'm surprised a college coach would put a number to it.

What was the competition like in hs, both pitching quality and defensive skills? Not just talking hs draft picks, either; it can be more difficult to hit bad pitching than good. And we've talked here enough about the impact of who is doing the scoring and keeping the stats.

There were a couple of guys cut from the hs team freshman year, so they transferred over to a small religious-based school. Names in the paper constantly for homers and shutouts, but they still weren't good enough to make a competitive team at a large school. Their numbers, however, were astounding.

My bet is more than that. Not uncommon around here to find HS studs hitting well over .500. Not many will hit over .350 as a college freshman.
Orlando's right. There are way too many variables to say.

I'm asking about experience, rather than conjecture, from people with actual data from their experience. Let's see what the actual numbers were/are...

I would share my owns sons experience, but I doubt fungo numbers from a pitcher are germane

30 games. 10 against quality arms 20 against weak hs pitching. It is very easy to get blown away in the 10 games and still hit like a beast in those other 20 and have a great batting average.

If you see a kid that constantly hits well against the better pitching thats a great sign. If you see a kid that hits well against all levels of pitching that is even better. But most of the time your top flight hitters are going to struggle against the weak hs pitching and your lower level hitters are going to be right on it. The top flight hitters will get there numbers against the better pitching and the lower level hitters will get blown away.

A 85 mph fb is meat to a top level hitter and its gas to an average hs hitter. A 78 mph fb is a change up to a top flight hitter and meat to an average hs hitter.

Its all relative to the competition faced. A hitter in one area of the state or nation could be doing very well hitting .350 while a kid hitting .450 in another league might not be able to hit a buck in that other league or area.

Even if you had the facts, your info would be distorted due to the variables.

lets say 50 peaple jump in here and give a factual numbers of their kid or a kid they know. Each kid will have faced different HS circumstances as well as different levels of competition in college.

As my son is in the recruiting phase I have studied many rosters. I see lots .450 -.550 kids disappear from rosters. Have also seen .325-.350 kids starting as frshman hitting .250 to .325. In fact, the HS numbers (BIO's) are so volatile I quit looking at the HS bios. It's weird.

Michael Burgess hit better and hit many more Home Runs in Pro Ball with a wood bat this summer than he did with a metal bat in HS last spring.

How does that translate?

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Michael Burgess hit better and hit many more Home Runs in Pro Ball with a wood bat this summer than he did with a metal bat in HS last spring.

How does that translate?

It doesn't

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
Michael Burgess hit better and hit many more Home Runs in Pro Ball with a wood bat this summer than he did with a metal bat in HS last spring.

How does that translate?

This goes along with what Coach May has said, and I have found to be true, better hitters struggle against the weaker pitching in HS and in college.

Not only do batting averages drop but ERAs goes up!

These answers are from experience.

It's the numbers that would be conjecture. Because of the variables.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
Michael Burgess hit better and hit many more Home Runs in Pro Ball with a wood bat this summer than he did with a metal bat in HS last spring.

How does that translate?

I wonder how many teams actually gave Burgess anything to hit in HS?

BINGO! that happens every year to many top HS hitters. Only the top pitchers throw to them. For example when he got something to swing at, it was thrown from a pitcher like Nevin Griffith who threw 96 and with a great slider and was an early draft pick himself.

hmm, some seem to suggest that HS stats could be given minimal consideration ...
after physical tools and game-play have been evaluated

controversial??



makes sense to me