Do players Honestly know they are pro prospects or not

here a question ask a MLB scout what would they do if a player showed up uninvited to their pre draft.

If he is worth his salt he lets the kid work out---who knows what can walk thru the gates?????

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Originally posted by TRhit:
grateful

when a play succeeds it is due to all of a number of factors:

Just to name a few and DRIVEl take heed because the "Old Man" Speaketh !!!

01-- his God Given Talent
02-- his work ethic
03-- his coaches from LL thru hs/college--if he has the right situation in minors he MAY make it to the "bigs"
04-- his being in the right place at the right time in front of the right people no matter what the level of competition

Need I go on ?

TR.....I have been involved in this profession for a few decades......I do know how it works.....the overwhelming reason for a player being given an opportunity at the professional level is because of your first one listed---God-given athletic ability, along with some sport-specific skills.........your number 4, being in the right place to be seen by the right people, is also important.

I have seen several players drafted who have poor work ethic.......several who had inferior coaching........some who had little, if any, self-discipline......of course, most of those types didn't make significant progress.

My question to Dibble was more of one questioning whether or not the 140 players who came to his camp would have been signed without him.....and of course they would, because they were ball players with God-given ability.

TR they have invite only workouts for a reason, Those players have shown enough talent they want to see them more closely by the top level scouts.

Here one for you, what would HS Showcases , (yes TR you can answer this one) do if a player requests an invite and is denied and still shows up demanding to go to a showcase.


TR what is the % of the players that apply to College select showcases that get invites.

grateful

In all probability DRIVEL never had a pre draft showcase much less than 140 draftible players in attendance.

The manis a figment of his own imagination- with a free website loaded with advertisement-- and then there are those can tell you about his phone calls

Ypou and i are on the same page-- I have never questioned you baseball acumen-- don't be so darn "touchie touchie"--this is only a website and nobody knows YOUR NAME!!!!

TR.....I agree that we are on the same page......there are plenty of people on this website who know my name, too!! My whole name is on my profile, in my email address, for the world to see.......but yes, I agree with what you are saying!!

Pre Draft Baseball Showcase
http://www.predraft.com


TR who do you think runs this

DRIVEL

I was going top respond but I have come to the conclusion your arent worth it--I am too old and tired to deal with your inane and childlike personality not to mention your perversion--

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DRIVEL

I was going top respond but I have come to the conclusion your arent worth it--I am too old and tired to deal with your inane and childlike personality not to mention your perversion--

TRhit

TR
why is no college select pre draft showcase?

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TR
why is no college select pre draft showcase?

God you are slow. Read your sentence. Why is no COLLEGE SELECT pre draft showcase? Because it is COLLEGE SELECT you goofus! Geez! Obviously his focus is to get kids into college and not get college or hs kids into the pros. He is not a wannabe pro scout. What a m**** n!

Go ahead and take some shots at me now. I will not respond to your ridiculousness any more.

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Pre Draft Baseball Showcase
http://www.predraft.com


TR who do you think runs this

From the shotty web design, bright red background, stolen picture from another showcase, free web host, and the endless pop-ups, I'd say that you run it Andy.

At least you learned how to redirect a domain name, now work on masking the host name.

You know you can buy web templates for really cheap, about the cost of one registered player.

Gloveman what happen to your bat company and do you much of the hardware stuff on your web site.


Ever see Enron the smartest people in the room movie?

Sorry Gloveman the picture is off the stadium being used. Cool huh

Ya'll are getting way off base (excuse the pun)

CV

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Ya'll are getting way off base (excuse the pun)

CV

I agree! Folks, I apologize if I'm going to act like a Mom once in a while, but hey, at least I admit it right there in my screen name. I won't do it very often, and I hope there won't be much need to!

I love the community that has grown here over the past seven years, and one of my top priorities in administering the site is to help facilitate the continuation of a positive, helpful environment. Debate is fine and we don't all have to "talk pretty", just be respectful, at least most of the time. So as I look at threads like this, I start to look for - well, a common thread - to see what we might do about cleaning up the occasional mess.

Dibble, perhaps you feel you're being picked on, but I suspect there's a reason for it. I've noticed that you're very active in quite a few messy conversations like this. As a mom, it makes me think of the kid on the playground who is often in the middle of a fight, but always thinks someone else started it. Many long term members and old-timers are weighing in here, seeming to feel a need to correct you and keep you in check. I don't know you and I don't personally have anything against you. But I trust and respect the judgment of a bunch of other folks who have posted in this thread. Many of them have shared their names and personal data with all of us and have proven their good intentions and their contributions to the baseball community many times over.

So Dibble, I'm going to ask you personally to just stop and think before you post. If you're making a reasonable effort to contribute positively, then you're welcome to continue. If not, I would ask any concerned moderators to use the Ignore or Delete options. I'm just not in favor of fanning the flame by continuing to argue with one individual who perhaps enjoys the attention. This thread started with an observation about a baseball situation and some interesting opinions back and forth on the matter, but then, as CV said above, it got way off base. Let's go back to talking about baseball!

When my son was 15 yrs old he went to his first pro try out.When he arrived he was told it was a invite only try out and even though he was about 5'7" 130 lbs, The scout told he to go ahead and try out. That try out lead to an invitation to the MASA try out when he was 16, which lead to a position on a scout team,then a college scholarship and he is now playing pro ball. Our family is very grateful to the Brewers scout who allowed him that first opportunity

Mn-Mom,

No need to apologize in any way for being a mom. In fact, some of the best advice I have received on this site has come from the Mom's. You are right-on in your assessment. Here is something I have learned from the hsbbweb - Do not mess with the Moms!!

njbb - Great post! - I love reading that kind of stuff. Congrats to your son!

ClevelandDad ...

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Here is something I have learned from the hsbbweb - Do not mess with the Moms!!

Obviously your MOM taught you well !!!

This is all making me dizzy trying to keep up with Dibbles rantings.

First, the kids didn't belong there. Then, maybe one of them did, because he threw 91 mph... no mention given of command or movement. Then, you're back to them not belonging. Then, you know some unknown kid that went from 88 to 94, and got drafted, that was a diamond in the rough.

You can't have it both ways. I agree with a previous poster... link us up a penguin tossing game, or better yet, try to dig up some more Josh Hamilton dirt... you haven't posted any updates on him in a while.

Not all MLB players are blessed to be 1st round talent. As someone previously noted, Piazza was signed not on talent, but because he was Tommy Lasorda's godson. Marcus Giles was told that he wasn't big enough, and that he wasn't a good enough fielder. Atlanta had a pitcher several years ago that they picked up from an Indy team in exchange for some used balls and bats.

Sometimes, talent shows up where you least expect it. There's plenty of "can't miss" players that never made it, and plenty of "who's that" players that did. If Dibble was half the scout he claims to be, he'd realize that.

By the way, Dibble, are you the same "Ben the Scout" that frequented this board several years ago? I know that you've had several alter egos here, just wondering if that was yet another.

The 91 mph guy had good fastball and no breaking ball. Likley heading to college now you never know someone might draft him.

As far as scouts missing on guys, they do all the time. Pete Rose is a perfect example. Signed for $500 by his uncle. Rose had good batspeed and ran good. His best tools he played very hard always. He got the nickname Charlies Hustle from Mickey Mantle and Whitey Ford because he ran 4.1 to home to first on a walk.
Pete Rose and the 2B on the Reds whose job he took were about the only ones who thought Pete Rose was gonna be a MLB player.

The Giants told Whitey Ford, he was too small and did not throw hard enough either.

As far as Josh Hamilton no one heard much about him. MLB scout were blindly by his tools. Had a ton, one problem his make up. Nothing wrong with his head expect, his parents extremely smothered him and he had zero social skills to adjust to minor league life. The dad tried to live through his older brother and get him to hit the majors, but the son quit baseball and joined the army instead. Next up Josh, so what do the parents do when he signed, quit their jobs and follow him every where. Josh then does everything to piss off the parents, drinking, gets 26 tatooes,crashes 3 cars, knocked hooked on steriods and coke.


Kerry Litenburg was traded for 6 dozen bats and 2 dozen baseballs. Kerry rather than whine about not being drafted, went to the Praire League and put up numbers and threw low 90's in an offseason workout with the braves. I bet if he threw 84-85 mph he would not been signed

Dibble,

Just throw up some flying penguins, and give us all a rest.

LOL

DRIVEL

Once again I will ask the question-- where do you get all this "inside info" regarding the inner self of players and parents attitudes and behavior ?

I am beginning to believe you know more about the players than the MLB teams do themselves-- how come they do not hire you ?--it would save them money --one wannabe guy with all the info vs a load of "baseball people" who know their business.

Regarding the original debate. While I too have respect for players who are willing to show up at tryouts, I would not recommend it to young players.

Many events are scheduled tightly and it's extremely difficult to get extra players playing time. Also, information (programs, Scouting material, rosters, etc. are printed ahead of time for most "invite" only events.

However, I do agree that it's always possible you could find that hidden gem. There are many open professional tryouts and other events that are not invite only. I think players should try to attend as many of these as they possibly can.

We don't have many last minute add ons at our events, but we've had a few. We try hard to help them, but sometimes it is very difficult and they have to wait to the end.

One such pitcher, threw at the very end of our World Showcase one year. We had never seen him and most of the scouts had already gone. However there were a few still there and the kid ended up getting drafted the following June by one of those clubs.

TR

They could not afford me, JK.

PG made a very good response. I do remember one player that crashed PG wood bat championship in 2000 his agent demanded a tryout and going into the game. Did not look good either.

DRIVEL

what does jk stand for /// I think I know but please clarify

thanx

TR with a person as brilliant as you are you should know that..


and not john kerry, jk

OK I got it jk = JERK

TR

jk is just kidding

hee hee

could have fooled me

that is pretty easy to do TR

Again I ask --where do you get all this "inside info" ?

What is left of my curious mind would like to know--you always seem to have the inside scoop on things, albeit months after the fact in most cases.

TR
I have Woodward and Bernstein on my payroll

You might have heard of them

the walk up that threw 91 mph was drafted 22 round by the nationals