Do players Honestly know they are pro prospects or not

Maybe they think they are the next Greg Maddux.

84-85 mph could be very good speed in HS, if the scout detect room to improve on mechanics or physically (Late growing kids). Dennis Martinez used to throw 79 mph in HS. At major league he reached 91 mph, and had a terrific big leagues carrear. Figuring the prospect's potential is one of the skills that a good scout needs. If those kids walked on to that work out with out invitation, they showed courage and positive actitud, that also is needed to be successfull in baseball. It is not their job to know if they are prospects, that is the scout job, but if they don't show up, there are not chances at all.

Maybe we should just look at who plays in the major leagues today. Despite what some may think not every player was a 1st round draft pick. If our lives were dictated by what other people thought and standards and we just bowed to their whims there are a lot of successful people that would be left behind.

Will,

Greg Maddux when he signed out of HS threw 88-92 mph with fastball that moved 18 inches and had pin point control of 4 pitches.

How many pitchers at the MLB level have Maddux stuff, not many that why he is a hall of famer


alot of players who threw 84-85 mph in hs went to college and improved and became much better. Bily Wagner and Roger Clemens to name a few.

Dibble,

Read Racab's post - a few times.

Hopefully - at some point - the wisdom in that post may actually sink in.

Martinez did not throw 79 mph when he was signed. he was signed in 1973.

Dennis Martinez

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/dennis_martinez.shtml

They did not have radar guns then. First testing device at the mLB level was used at 1974 on Nolan Ryan and the JUgs gun started around 1975.

And according to the above reasoning ever hs player should have crashed PG pre draft showcase.


MLB scouts have open tryout camps, attend them.

Dibble,

Simply put - you do not have the qualifications - nor do you have the authority -to make such statements.

If uninvited players are allowed to attend the various events - then I hope that many of the young men with dreams and some skill do just that.

If uninvited players are not allowed to attend - then they will be turned away.

Your "advice" is nothing more than blather and drivel IMO.

I know of many univited young players - who were drafted. From the late 70's up to last year.

If those young men took your "advice" (derision) - perhaps they may have never had the experience of playing professional baseball.

IMO - You should keep posting the links and the wacky funny stories - and stay away from serious stuff.

Just my opinion.

dibble
I never said that Dennis was signed throwing 79 mph, what I said was that in HS he was throwing 79. He didn't played HS baseball in this country, but in his native Nicaragua. I don't know if you have met Denis, I did and his son played HS and Collegue with one of my kids. What I said, he told me, if you know more than him self, my excuses, you know more than everybody.

First post was do players honestly know if they are pro prospects or not.

MLB scouts have invite only Pre Draft Workouts for A REASON

If you think they missed on you attended an open tryout camp.

Read the posts, players did not show MLB tools but were totally convinced they did and they did not. Be realistic about your ability and relize you are being rated on MLB standards not HS or college level.


one of the uninvite players was good, threw 91 mph.

Racab,

I have mentioned this once or twice before in the past few years, but I just wanted to say again: I really appreciate what you add to this forum. Your posts are always thoughtful and often make me stop and think as well. Thank you!

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one of the uninvite players was good, threw 91 mph.

That pretty much tells everyone all they need to know about this discussion and the opinion that throwing 91 is the only thing that makes one "good".

Big et al ...

Amen !!!

Mn-Mom

Thanks, you are so kind.

Do they know?

I certainly hope they do not know or care, only "enjoy the game"and learn, learn, learn from each AB, each pitch, each loss or victory.

During my 19 years with the Area Code games, the pro scouts cut players in tryouts, who later become 1st round drafts and Major League players.

Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Adam LaRoche,
Andy LaRoche and Bobby Bradley all were recommended by non-pro scouts for a Area Code team and played in the games.

There are two areas where scouts cannot evaluate in a one day tryout.

1. The heart [make-up]
2. The "bat"

If Pete Rose wanted to "walk on" to our tryout, he would receive the opportunity.
My son, Robert and I in 1997 conduct a tryout in Beijing, China and everyone "walk on".
It was a great experience.

Bob Williams

Recab said:

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Figuring the prospect's potential is one of the skills that a good scout needs.....It is not their job to know if they are prospects, that is the scout job

My son called today and we talked about his team being selected to participate in the NCAA regional at Tallahassee, FL. During our phone conversation he said; “I’ve been so tied up in baseball that the draft has really sneaked up on me; it’s less than a week away”. I know how much he wants to move into pro ball this year so I thought for a second and said basically what Recab says....Here’s what I said to my son... ”Don’t worry about the pro draft or things you have no control of, if you play your game to the best of your ability, everything else will take care of itself.”
Fungo

Thank God we have posters with COMMON SENSE who offset the DRIVEL of DIBBLE


Andy May (DIBBLE/DRIVEL) stay around for 'comic relief" but nothing else please--you know what you speak of--

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Originally posted by Dibble:
Greg Maddux when he signed out of HS threw 88-92 mph with fastball that moved 18 inches and had pin point control of 4 pitches.

How many pitchers at the MLB level have Maddux stuff, not many that why he is a hall of famer


alot of players who threw 84-85 mph in hs went to college and improved and became much better. Bily Wagner and Roger Clemens to name a few.

Maddux threw only three pitches in High School...fastball, curve and change. He was 90-95mph and the fastball and change both had a nice tail, but did not move 18". He did have very good control however.

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”Don’t worry about the pro draft or things you have no control of, if you play your game to the best of your ability, everything else will take care of itself.”

Amen, Brother.