Draft and follow

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Originally posted by thats-a-balk!:
What is draft and follow, and does it exist in the new MLB?

Basically, it is a process that allows a team to draft a player, monitor his development for a year at a junior college or community college, then sign him the following year. Last year's draft and follows must be signed no later than one week before this year's draft, and those will be the last draft and follows. Starting with this year's draft, DFEs (draft, follow, evaluate) will no longer be allowed since there is a mandatory August 15 date to sign draft picks.

It was stopped because they felt it was not in the best interest of the players

But scouts can still follow the progress of guys they are interested in..just not officially, right?

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Originally posted by Newcomer:
But scouts can still follow the progress of guys they are interested in..just not officially, right?

Correct.

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Originally posted by Newcomer:
But scouts can still follow the progress of guys they are interested in..just not officially, right?

That's often referred to as putting someone on your watch list.

A watch list is the list of prospects (often younger ones) that the scout wants to keep an eye on.

Pain draft and follow is just like it says. You have to be draft age. and graduate from HS. It no longer exists as mentioned. In Ontario the player has to be 18+ but in Quebec they can be 17.

I know of a few players who were drafted this year but will not sign( redshirt sophmores). The teams told them that they will be following them next year.
That is essentially drafting and following without any rights to the player.

Any player drafted must now sign by Aug 15 following that draft or they become free agents and must re enter the draft. A team can, and do, draft guys to follow them in the summer to watch progress for any number of reasons. But the team looses the rights to that player when the calender turns to Aug. 16. The teams will follow ALL players. Thats their job.

I see David had few inn's. Did he get hurt? If so how is he doing with rehab?

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Originally posted by Vance34:
Any player drafted must now sign by Aug 15 following that draft or they become free agents and must re enter the draft. A team can, and do, draft guys to follow them in the summer to watch progress for any number of reasons. But the team looses the rights to that player when the calender turns to Aug. 16. The teams will follow ALL players. Thats their job.

I'm not sure if unsigned college seniors may become free agents if not signed by August 15 but all other unsigned draftees definitely do not become free agents. If that were the case then no player would ever sign a contract by the August 15 deadline. Why sign a contract before August 15 when you can only negotiate with one team if you can wait until after the deadline and have every MLB team as a potential bidder?

Unsigned non-seniors go back to school (or head to school for high schoolers) and are subject the same draft rules the following year.

Emanski, the rule is this.

Any player drafted out of HS or college must sign by the 15th of Aug. midnight. If they do not sign, they must "RE ENTER THE FREE AGENT DRAFT THE FOLLOWING YEAR". They can not sign with any team after the deadline. There is no longer a draft and follow process for players that attend Jr. college. A player can be drafted in June and can be monitored until the Aug. 15th deadline. The players efforts and performance could lead to a better bonus or it could lead to less of one as well.

The 5th year college rule is different from the underclass players. A team DOES retain rights to a player drafted after he has been in school for 4 years. The rights are retained until the deadline before the draft the following year. But the player must have a year of elgibility remaining after his 4th year in school.

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Originally posted by Vance34:
Emanski, the rule is this.

Any player drafted out of HS or college must sign by the 15th of Aug. midnight. If they do not sign, they must "RE ENTER THE FREE AGENT DRAFT THE FOLLOWING YEAR". They can not sign with any team after the deadline. There is no longer a draft and follow process for players that attend Jr. college. A player can be drafted in June and can be monitored until the Aug. 15th deadline. The players efforts and performance could lead to a better bonus or it could lead to less of one as well.

The 5th year college rule is different from the underclass players. A team DOES retain rights to a player drafted after he has been in school for 4 years. The rights are retained until the deadline before the draft the following year. But the player must have a year of elgibility remaining after his 4th year in school.

I know what the rules are.....I was a bit unsure of what happens to seniors, but other than that I'm well aware of the rules. Yes, players do go back into the Rule IV draft, also known as the free agent draft. But that's a whole lot different than being free agents in the true sense of the term, which I thought you implied in your previous post. I think that's where the confusion came about.

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Originally posted by Vance34:

The 5th year college rule is different from the underclass players. A team DOES retain rights to a player drafted after he has been in school for 4 years. The rights are retained until the deadline before the draft the following year. But the player must have a year of elgibility remaining after his 4th year in school.

So that is why I saw a player sign in september. Only one can do this with eligibility remaining?

Also could you explain giving seniors FA (no eligibility with degree) before the draft and any benefit? Seems to me lots of scouts approaching graduating seniors with this option.


DK sent to rehab for tendinitous for the summer, along with ankle sprain recovery and feeling fine now and doing really well, thanks for asking.

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Also could you explain giving seniors FA (no eligibility with degree) before the draft and any benefit? Seems to me lots of scouts approaching graduating seniors with this option.

Not sure I understand your question. A graduating 4th year Sr. must go through the draft. He can sign with any team after the draft if he is not drafted. Now a 5th year Sr. who did not get drafted after his 4th year in school and his 3rd year of elgibility could sign with any team BEFORE the draft of his 5th year. BUT ONLY after his season is complete. As long as the season ends before the deadline before the draft.

Seems your son DK had a teammate and fellow RHP who fell into this situation. But because your sons team made the NCAA Tournament he was not elgible to sign before the draft. Which cost him bonus money because he could have signed with the highest bidder. But since your sons team made the Tournament he had to wait for the draft and then pretty much have to sign for close to a % of the slot amount. Wasn't he 23 yrs old? Which also is an issue. I hope this was what your question was about.

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Seems your son DK had a teammate and fellow RHP who fell into this situation. But because your sons team made the NCAA Tournament he was not elgible to sign before the draft. Which cost him bonus money because he could have signed with the highest bidder. But since your sons team made the Tournament he had to wait for the draft and then pretty much have to sign for close to a % of the slot amount.

Why would a team want to get into a "bidding" contest over a 5th year senior when they could get him "cheaper" by taking him in a higher draft round? Would the benefit to the team be that they save one of their draft picks for a different player? And, I have heard there is a 3 day time limit to exercise this option....3 days from the date their college season ends? Is this true?

Vance,
That is correct, Stephen Clyne, RHP, medical redshirt (TJS) who in my opinion, with my new understanding, would have had a higher bonus if he was NOT drafted.

I explained to someone that he had been approached with this option ( turns out he couldn't as you suggested due to still playing) instead of having to sign and take slot bonus.

Am I correct in that assumption? This is a new rule correct?

Mrs K, no this is not a new rule. The 5th year Sr. rule has been around for awhile now.

A team may want to get into a bidding war because the player in question was throwing 94-96 MPH and was a late bloomer with a lean frame with physical projections remaining.

If that player went back in the draft then the team that wanted to bid on him would have to wait till their turn to draft. Meaning he may be drafted before they have a chance to take him.

The benefit to the team would be that they get that player before the draft and then get to use all their draft picks as well. Its a bonus player, so to speak.

There isn't a 3 day time limit. The deadline is based on when the players season ends. The sooner the season ends the more time there is between the dead period and the end of the players season. The Rule is flexible for D 1 players UNLESS they make the NCAA Tournament. Once they make that they must re enter the draft.

Thanks for clarification. I guess maybe I wasn't paying attention until last year. I thought it was a new rule. Maybe I am confused that seniors do not have to sign by 8/15.

Luvbb, I don't know anything abuot the three day rule either. Maybe there was three days between last game NCAA game and the draft?

PS. I am TPM.

but your also Mrs. K. Have a great evening and tell MM I said hello.

MM is the best!

You have a pm.

He is a good guy passionate about what he does. Would you call him an advsior or an agent? Or is he both? darn, back to that question again. Never mind.

Advisor/agent?

I agree, they are one in the same.