Could someone explain how draft and follow works, would signing with a 4 yr school improve your chances of being drafted in a higher round.
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draft and follow...In my opinion, would be geared towards the player drafted in the lower rounds because the scout feels there is a problem with signability or that the kid should go to school for a year and add a year of maturity to his body and to his game. The organization maintains rights to the player until a week or so (not sure the exact time in days...could be a few days instead of a week) before the next June draft. Gives a club nearly a year to work out a deal with the kid.
Signing with a 4 year school would not necessarily improve your chances of being drafted in a higher round, if only because the teams might simply stay away from you if they were unwilling to give you a bonus and also provide you with "coverage" for school tuition as part of the bonus package.
I would say that signing with a 4 year school gives you leverage to get more money but I wouldn't say that it improves your chances of being drafted in a higher round. If you are already likely to be drafted in a higher round (top 5 rounds), signing with a 4 year school would make very little difference to a team. They budget for each round, likely including an amount for college.
Signing with a 4 year school would not necessarily improve your chances of being drafted in a higher round, if only because the teams might simply stay away from you if they were unwilling to give you a bonus and also provide you with "coverage" for school tuition as part of the bonus package.
I would say that signing with a 4 year school gives you leverage to get more money but I wouldn't say that it improves your chances of being drafted in a higher round. If you are already likely to be drafted in a higher round (top 5 rounds), signing with a 4 year school would make very little difference to a team. They budget for each round, likely including an amount for college.
We had a board members son {Racab) who was a DNF this year and was signed for a handsome amount just before the draft.
"I love the HSBBW"
"I love the HSBBW"
I believe Blake Hawksworth was also a DNF.
Things turned out pretty sweet for him!
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Things turned out pretty sweet for him!
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer
I was D-n-F out of high school!! It is a good situation for you but can turn out bad in the end. Team keeps rights for you for 52 weeks which ends up being two weeks before the next draft. Contract negotiations are allowed the entire time. Only bad part i felt was no other team's scouts were allowed to talk with me.
Regarding the four year school question it may bump you up a few spots but nothing significant. Draft position depends on alot of things. What school you sign with isn't one of the major weighing factors.
Regarding the four year school question it may bump you up a few spots but nothing significant. Draft position depends on alot of things. What school you sign with isn't one of the major weighing factors.
Ok. I'm really confused...
Things have picked up a wee bit so I need to educate myself and my son about what to expect if he were to get drafted (that is at all)...
Now......I only want to be educated if there comes a need to be...
Questions?
1. Ok. If you are drafted in the lower rounds - what is considered to be the break off to become draft to follow?
2. Is that something you are offered? Do they ask you to consider that scenario? How would that play out?
3. So if you are draft to follow how do you gain leverage by going JUCO if that happens?
4. But if you've signed a NLI with a 4 year university can you even consider the draft to follow?
5. If you are draft to follow...how would you factor in tuition (didn't understand what BeenthereIL meant in the above post with regard to that)?
6. So the other pro scouts are off limits if you do this?
As you see I've got a host of questions and need some help. I guess some new twists and turns are making us want to be informed in this area a bit more...
Thanks as always...Pam
Things have picked up a wee bit so I need to educate myself and my son about what to expect if he were to get drafted (that is at all)...
Now......I only want to be educated if there comes a need to be...
Questions?
1. Ok. If you are drafted in the lower rounds - what is considered to be the break off to become draft to follow?
2. Is that something you are offered? Do they ask you to consider that scenario? How would that play out?
3. So if you are draft to follow how do you gain leverage by going JUCO if that happens?
4. But if you've signed a NLI with a 4 year university can you even consider the draft to follow?
5. If you are draft to follow...how would you factor in tuition (didn't understand what BeenthereIL meant in the above post with regard to that)?
6. So the other pro scouts are off limits if you do this?
As you see I've got a host of questions and need some help. I guess some new twists and turns are making us want to be informed in this area a bit more...
Thanks as always...Pam
What does draft and follow mean?
Draft and follow, otherwise known as draft-follow-evaluate (DFE) applies to the June Amateur Draft. DFE candidates are players that choose to attend a junior college instead of signing with the drafting team. A team has rights to that player until shortly before the next year's draft. If the player does not sign with the team, he is eligible to re-enter the June Amateur Draft.
You might like to peruse this article
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/9911dfe.html
Draft and follow, otherwise known as draft-follow-evaluate (DFE) applies to the June Amateur Draft. DFE candidates are players that choose to attend a junior college instead of signing with the drafting team. A team has rights to that player until shortly before the next year's draft. If the player does not sign with the team, he is eligible to re-enter the June Amateur Draft.
You might like to peruse this article
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/9911dfe.html
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Originally posted by Texas2004:
Ok. I'm really confused...
Things have picked up a wee bit so I need to educate myself and my son about what to expect if he were to get drafted (that is at all)...
Now......I only want to be educated if there comes a need to be...
Questions?
1. Ok. If you are drafted in the lower rounds - what is considered to be the break off to become draft to follow?
1.There is no break off point...most Df's go in the later rounds, but some will go in the teens.
2. Is that something you are offered? Do they ask you to consider that scenario? How would that play out?
2. Most scouts will D&F a player that they know is headed to a JC.When drafted, they still have to offer you a contract.
3. So if you are draft to follow how do you gain leverage by going JUCO if that happens?
3. The only leverage you gain is if you get better as a player.
4. But if you've signed a NLI with a 4 year university can you even consider the draft to follow?
4. If you are headed to a 4year school, you won't be D&f'd. Once you step into your first class in the fall the club loses it's rights to you.
5. If you are draft to follow...how would you factor in tuition (didn't understand what BeenthereIL meant in the above post with regard to that)?
5. Tuition would be factored in only if the club signs you and the tuition is negotiated in the contract.
6. So the other pro scouts are off limits if you do this?
6. If you are a D&F, no other teams are allowed to talk to you as long as you are under control. They can scout you, but can't talk to you.
As you see I've got a host of questions and need some help. I guess some new twists and turns are making us want to be informed in this area a bit more...
Thanks as always...Pam
Hope this helps Pam. PM me is you need more extensive info.
4. But if you've signed a NLI with a 4 year university can you even consider the draft to follow?
"4. If you are headed to a 4year school, you won't be D&f'd. Once you step into your first class in the fall the club loses it's rights to you."
Just like to add that you CAN sign a NLI AND still decide at any point PRIOR to starting at the 4 year school to go to a JC.
At that point, regardless of what round your Son was drafted, he can sign after the end of th JC season or go back in the next draft.
Wouldn't advise you to discuss JC until after the draft. If MLB thinks you're going JC, it can turn an 8th round pick into a 28th round pick real quick.
"4. If you are headed to a 4year school, you won't be D&f'd. Once you step into your first class in the fall the club loses it's rights to you."
Just like to add that you CAN sign a NLI AND still decide at any point PRIOR to starting at the 4 year school to go to a JC.
At that point, regardless of what round your Son was drafted, he can sign after the end of th JC season or go back in the next draft.
Wouldn't advise you to discuss JC until after the draft. If MLB thinks you're going JC, it can turn an 8th round pick into a 28th round pick real quick.
we were told that because my son is going to go a jr college he will be a draft and follow... His dream is to go pro...Your saying it would be to his advantage to sign with a 4 yr school
voodoo...why? Could you elaborate on why that would be...mine is signed with a university and very happy with his decision..but I'm the researcher in the family...so sorting as I go...is my job.
quoted by voodoo...
"Wouldn't advise you to discuss JC until after the draft. If MLB thinks you're going JC, it can turn an 8th round pick into a 28th round pick real quick."
quoted by voodoo...
"Wouldn't advise you to discuss JC until after the draft. If MLB thinks you're going JC, it can turn an 8th round pick into a 28th round pick real quick."
bbscout..meant to say thanks....probably will pm you ...
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Originally posted by marlins:
we were told that because my son is going to go a jr college he will be a draft and follow... His dream is to go pro...Your saying it would be to his advantage to sign with a 4 yr school
I'm saying that your Son will go lower than otherwise if MLB knows they will have a year to own his rights at no cost.
voodoo...for real?
so then...what's the purpose in draft N Follow? Do they offer the player and then...watch?
I still don't get it...
It doesn't up your odds? Or does it?
so then...what's the purpose in draft N Follow? Do they offer the player and then...watch?
I still don't get it...
It doesn't up your odds? Or does it?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Texas2004:
voodoo...for real?
"so then...what's the purpose in draft N Follow?"
The purpose of DNF is that the team gets to hold a Players' rights at no cost to the team until a week before the next draft & see if he progresses enough to make it worth their while to sign him. From the Players perspective, you have the chance to go back in the draft after only one year rather than 3 years as is the case at a 4 year school.
So if your Son is drafted by a lousy organization &/or wants to play Pro ball sooner rather than later it is a desirable option.
You actually have more leverage... to a degree because a Player can be drafted after his Freshman, Sophmore, Junior & Senior Years instead of as a HS Senior, College Junior or Senior.
"Do they offer the player and then...watch?"
They have to make an offer but it can be as little as a contract for $850/month with no signing bonus. Then they watch him & see if for example he's a Pitcher & his FB goes from 86 to 92 or he gets command of his breaking pitches etc. then they offer him what they think he'll get if he goes back in the draft. They can also offer him nothing & let someone(or no one) else take him.
"It doesn't up your odds? Or does it?"
I would use DNF for a Player that wants to sign sooner rather than later as "insurance" against being drafted by a team with a poor track record of Player Development . If I was you, I would do my homework on the many great JC programs around the country so you know what's up. Be discreet & be sure to tell the JC Coaches to be discreet as well & that if your Son signs there, it won't be until after the draft.
voodoo...for real?
"so then...what's the purpose in draft N Follow?"
The purpose of DNF is that the team gets to hold a Players' rights at no cost to the team until a week before the next draft & see if he progresses enough to make it worth their while to sign him. From the Players perspective, you have the chance to go back in the draft after only one year rather than 3 years as is the case at a 4 year school.
So if your Son is drafted by a lousy organization &/or wants to play Pro ball sooner rather than later it is a desirable option.
You actually have more leverage... to a degree because a Player can be drafted after his Freshman, Sophmore, Junior & Senior Years instead of as a HS Senior, College Junior or Senior.
"Do they offer the player and then...watch?"
They have to make an offer but it can be as little as a contract for $850/month with no signing bonus. Then they watch him & see if for example he's a Pitcher & his FB goes from 86 to 92 or he gets command of his breaking pitches etc. then they offer him what they think he'll get if he goes back in the draft. They can also offer him nothing & let someone(or no one) else take him.
"It doesn't up your odds? Or does it?"
I would use DNF for a Player that wants to sign sooner rather than later as "insurance" against being drafted by a team with a poor track record of Player Development . If I was you, I would do my homework on the many great JC programs around the country so you know what's up. Be discreet & be sure to tell the JC Coaches to be discreet as well & that if your Son signs there, it won't be until after the draft.
voodoo,
I agree with nearly everything you're saying. Except, we have seen several players who have been drafted only because they were committed to a JUCO. In other words they would not have been drafted at all had they been insistant on attending a 4 year school. For these players, waiting until after the draft to commit to a JUCO could get them undrafted.
While it is rare, we know of one D&F who signed after his first year at a JUCO (with the club that drafted him) for late 1st round money.
So, there can be an advantage in some cases in committing to a JUCO before the draft, and specifically because of the draft. I suppose you already know that and are speaking more in terms of leverage.
Not much leverage involved in JUCO signings.
I agree with nearly everything you're saying. Except, we have seen several players who have been drafted only because they were committed to a JUCO. In other words they would not have been drafted at all had they been insistant on attending a 4 year school. For these players, waiting until after the draft to commit to a JUCO could get them undrafted.
While it is rare, we know of one D&F who signed after his first year at a JUCO (with the club that drafted him) for late 1st round money.
So, there can be an advantage in some cases in committing to a JUCO before the draft, and specifically because of the draft. I suppose you already know that and are speaking more in terms of leverage.
Not much leverage involved in JUCO signings.
now that opens up another question?
So how does someone track or research to see if an pro team develops their players?
And what about - how or what would someone consider to be "lousy" (not my words)organization? Surely, it's not only their win/loss record but what other things would you take into account?
Sorry for all the questions, but each answer just makes me ask more...
So how does someone track or research to see if an pro team develops their players?
And what about - how or what would someone consider to be "lousy" (not my words)organization? Surely, it's not only their win/loss record but what other things would you take into account?
Sorry for all the questions, but each answer just makes me ask more...
There are no lousy MLB organizations.
Some are better than others, but they are all very good and capable of developing all star caliber players.
Some are better than others, but they are all very good and capable of developing all star caliber players.
"I agree with nearly everything you're saying. Except, we have seen several players who have been drafted only because they were committed to a JUCO. In other words they would not have been drafted at all had they been insistant on attending a 4 year school. For these players, waiting until after the draft to commit to a JUCO could get them undrafted."
In my experience, that would seem to be true for players that were pretty marginal prospects.
"While it is rare, we know of one D&F who signed after his first year at a JUCO (with the club that drafted him) for late 1st round money."
It has happened & will happen more & more as time goes by. The reason being that as the attempt at "slotting" continues, more people will find this a viable option for them.
In my experience, that would seem to be true for players that were pretty marginal prospects.
"While it is rare, we know of one D&F who signed after his first year at a JUCO (with the club that drafted him) for late 1st round money."
It has happened & will happen more & more as time goes by. The reason being that as the attempt at "slotting" continues, more people will find this a viable option for them.
"So how does someone track or research to see if an pro team develops their players?"
Look at their Major League roster to see how many of the players were signed &/or developed by their organization vs. how many were Free Agents from other organizations.
"And what about - how or what would someone consider to be "lousy" "
An organization that consistently does not develop its' own Major League players &/or the players they do develop fail to ever reach any sort of expectations at the Major League level.
"Sorry for all the questions, but each answer just makes me ask more..."
No problem, don't mind a bit.
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Look at their Major League roster to see how many of the players were signed &/or developed by their organization vs. how many were Free Agents from other organizations.
"And what about - how or what would someone consider to be "lousy" "
An organization that consistently does not develop its' own Major League players &/or the players they do develop fail to ever reach any sort of expectations at the Major League level.
"Sorry for all the questions, but each answer just makes me ask more..."
No problem, don't mind a bit.
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