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These questions come up all the time here on the hsbbweb and I would like to have a thread to point to when someone asks.

How many players are drafted each year (approximately) from the following levels:

High School?
D1?
D2?
D3?
JUCO?
NAIA?

Also, beyond the statistics, does anyone know what the trends are. For example, is the number of draft choices from the college level going up?
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CD,

I'm not at the office right now, but I believe we have those statistics. Will check when I get back.

Just guessing, but I think Rob is fairly close other than the DIII numbers are probably even lower. Maybe not though!

It's the lower rounds that throws everything off. If possible we will see how the first half of the draft relates to the last half.

I do know the college draft picks has been increasing over the years. The draft can be a bit misleading, though, because it is so dependent on signability.

infielddad, Didn't see your post in time. I would have guessed even less.
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I dont think I am going to answer exactly what you are asking but here are some fun numbers.

Draft Numbers – source 2009 mlb draft tracker

Round 1 (32)
15 - 4 Y (1so), 16 HS , 1 indi player.

Round 1A (17)
12 4 year (1 so), 4 hs , 1 indi player

Round 2 (31)
12 4Y (2 sr, 1 so), 1 CC (j2), 18 hs

Round 3 (30)
17 4Y (2sr), 3 CC (J1, 2J2), 10 hs

Comp B (1)
1 hs

Round 4 (30)
17 4Y (1fr, 1 so, 5 sr), 4 jc (j1,2j2,1j3), 9 hs

Round 5 (30)
23 4Y (5 sr), 7 hs


171 players drafted thru 5 rounds
96 4 year university players (19 of them were not juniors)
65 high school seniors
2 independents
8 JC players
Observations – number of hs players drafted reduced by round 20,18,11,9,7 – number of college players stayed consistent or increased by round.
Numbers:
56% of players drafted in rounds 1-5 were 4 year college players
80% of 4 year college players drafted were juniors.
38% of players drafted in rounds 1 -5 were hs seniors
Slightly less than 5% of players drafted in rounds 1-5 were JC players

I will do rounds 6 - 10 and see how the trends move.
Round 6 (30)
13 4Y (2 sr, 1so), 5 CC, 12 hs,

Round 7 (30)
16 4Y (1 sr), 3 CC, 11 hs

Round 8 (30)
21 4Y (7sr), 3 CC, 6 hs

Round 9 (30)
21 4Y (5sr), 4 CC, 5 hs

Round 10
21 4Y (5sr), 1 CC, 8 hs

150 total players drafted in rounds 6-10 (mlb 2009 draft tracker)
92 4year college guys (20 sr, 1 so)
16 CC players
42 hs players

150 players drafted in rounds 6-10
92 were 4 year college players (20 seniors, 1 so)
42 were hs players
16 were CC players
61% of players drafted in 6-10 were 4 year college players
47% of the 4Y college players were juniors – 13% were 4Y seniors
28% were HS players
Slightly above 10% were Community College players

4Y college player percentages went up in rounds 6-1 by 5%
college junior percentage went down from 80% in rounds 1-5 to 47% in rounds 6-10
hs players drafted went down by 10%
cc players moved up by 5%
Our guys just gave me this for last year.

Total College Players Drafted - 804
Total High School Players Drafted - 505
Total Junior College Players Drafted - 206
Total No School Players Drafted - 6

Out of the college players drafted last year (2009)

42 were 5th year seniors
328 were 4th year seniors
410 were Juniors
23 were sophomores (21 years old)
1 was a freshman (21 years old)

Sorry, we haven't figured out the various divisions the college players came from yet. We do know it leans heavily towards DI.
There must be a big shift in the later draft away from juniors toward seniors for those two numbers to end so close. (328/410)

I also noticed heavy D-1 and the JC kids came from the big winning programs.

I also (just for fun) looked by position (Catcher) to see if position tracked along with overall draft.
14 catchers taken in rounds 1-5 and it was an even split of 4yr college players (7) and hs players (7) taken.
In all rounds 130 total catchers were taken
64 were 4Y players 49%
59 were hs players 45%
6 were CC players 4.6%
1 no school
Rounds 11-20 300 total players drafted

185 4Y college players taken or 61%
89 of the 185 4Y players were seniors equaling 48%
112 hs players taken or 37%
44 Junior College players taken or 14%


Totals through 20 rounds of this year's draft

621 total players selected
373 4 Year college students or 60%
242 of the 373 were 4 Year college juniors equalling 65%
177 hs players were selected or 29%
68 Junior college players were selected or 11%
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Originally posted by playfair:
There must be a big shift in the later draft away from juniors toward seniors for those two numbers to end so close. (328/410)


I think it's pretty easy to figure that one...Unlike any other category Seniors have no options so no negotiating power so they are a HUGE bargain...and seasoned...a very important factor at a time when budgets are strained and players in positions of negotiating power can command six figures and up...

Cool
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While the Draft and Follow ended a couple years ago, JC still gets many kids who want to play professional baseball and don't want to wait 3 years.

Often you will see current draft picks who are committed to DI schools change their mind and go JUCO in order to be draft eligible the following year. ie. Levon Washington was drafted early this year and was committedt o attend U of Florida. For some reason he didn't sign with the team that drafted him, but he went to a Juco rather than Florida.

Typically at a 4 year college the draft classes are juniors and seniors. At most 4 year schools the junior and senior classes are the smallest. At all juco's everyone on the roster is draft eligible. Then, there are many more JC's than DII programs.

Put it all together and there will almost always be more JC draft picks than DII.
Great reposonses from everyone! PG - I figured you had some of the information but did not want to put you on the spot for it - thanks for contributing. playfair - thank you. infielddad - those are staggering numbers when you think about it. Thanks to eveyone who has contributed.

After this thread has run its course, I'll move it down into the draft forum where people can reference the numbers in the future.

Everyone please feel free to keep updating the stats here. Also, feel free to post other statistics that might also be interesting to consider. Thanks!
Stayinside11, The thing that really struck me about the Juco players drafted is this.....

Only 24 Juco players in the entire country were drafted in the top 10 rounds. I think that is a very small number when considering all the "going to a Juco to stay draft eligible" talk. That is 24 of 321 picks.

In the top 20 rounds only 68 Juco players were selected. 68 of 621 picks. Even if we subtract the hs players out of the equation and compare college picks to college picks that would be 68 of 444 or 15.3%. That is a very small number to "want to stay draft eligible" for.

Because I dont think there is a lack of talent in JUCO I am left wondering if there is a lack of urgency in drafting JUCO players.
playfair,

You're correct, the numbers don't always add up. Though, once again, numbers mean different things to different individuals.

The number of players who want to be drafted, or stay draft eligible, is much different than the number that actually are drafted. Many go to JC thinking that they are likely to get drafted only to find out they don't get drafted. Of course, they then are draft eligible the following year.

In the early rounds (Top 20) they draft players based on ability, potential and signability. I would look at the figures (more than one out of every 10 being a JC player) as being fairly high for those rounds.
This took me a long time to compile and then when I went back through to double-check my work it didn't seem to add up exactly. They might be off + or - 2 players. But anyways these are pretty close and I will try to post exact numbers in near future:

D1- 680 players
D2- 61 players
D3- 14 players
NAIA- 47 players

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2009 Division III draftees

Nineteen players were selected in the 2009 MLB draft from Division III schools

The draft list:

Overall Player,School Position Team (round)
260 Robert Whitenack, Old Westbury RHP Chicago NL (8)
432 Matthew Tone, Cortland LHP Minnesota (14)
592 Jack Walker, Concordia (Ill.) 3B Washington (20)
734 Michael Johnson, Concordia-Austin RHP New York NL (24)
786 Dan Kazrowsi, Hamline SS Arizona (26)
792 Mike Giovenco, North Park RHP Minnesota (26)
794 John Semel, Chapman OF New York NL (26)
862 Evan Bronson, Trinity (Texas) LHP Washington (29)
918 Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity (Conn.) RHP Boston (30)
929 Adian Kummet, St. Scholastica RHP Cincinnati (31)
949 Aaron Dott, UW-Whitewater LHP Tampa Bay (31)
1057 David Iden, Cal Lutheran 2B Los Angeles (35)
1079 Chris Burleson, Southern Maine SS Cincinnati (36)
1211 Daniel Sarisky, Oglethorpe RHP Houson (39)
1237 Chris Handke, Cornell RHP Los Angeles (41)
1363 Harold Baines, McDaniel OF Chicago AL (45)
1464 Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler RHP San Diego(49)
1517 David Hissey, Emory OF Philadelphia (50)
1518 Drew Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer 1B Boston (50)
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Originally posted by PGStaff:
lefty,

Handke is from the Cornell in Iowa. That Cornell is a DIII school. Three of those listed were at our National Predraft Showcase.... Including Handke a 6'10"/235 RHP who pitched something like 9 innings all year at Cornell. He averaged a HBP every inning.


PG,
There's gotta be something there, c'mon, share with the class! Smile Kid throws 9 innings all year at a D3 and gets drafted?!?!?!?

The kid is 6'10"...is he a fireballer or do they just love tall kids throwing downhill?
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CPLZ,

Yes, Chris Handke is an interesting story. He’s actually a good basketball player, big tall athlete, who hasn’t pitched much. Great kid, great student who will be very successful in life. His story can be googled... Chris Handke baseball

Handke is another example of most anything being possible.

Handke stats for DIII Cornell College last year…

Games - 6
IP – 10.2
ERA – 15.19
K – 8
BB – 12
Velocity – 85-88

After Cornell’s season ended he came in and worked on his mechanics and got his velocity up to 93 a week before the predraft.

Here is another draft pick story out of the predraft showcase the previous year (2008)…

Part time Catcher for DII school, hit .200 his senior year.

One player at the same college was named team MVP and DII all-american – not drafted
A couple players earned all conference – not drafted
MVPitcher – not drafted
Coaches Appreciation Award for dedication and attitude (part time catcher who hit.200) - Drafted out of the predraft showcase.

Fast forward to 2009… The above player finished 2009 in AAA. He was drafted as an organizational guy and is being groomed to coach within the MLB organization.

These kind of stories do exist. So often we tend to talk about the high draft picks and well known successful college and high school players. Sometimes the stories behind the, not so well known, kids is just as interesting.
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Jerry (PGStaff),

I did Google "Chris Handke baseball" and that is a pretty cool story.

http://www.qctimes.com/sports/...4c-001cc4c03286.html

"A former teammate of mine works for Perfect Game in Cedar Rapids, and he encouraged me to take a couple of pitching lessons," Handke said. "I did that, and my velocity came up to where I was hitting around 93 (mph)..."

"I've never been very refined as a pitcher, and in the lessons I learned how to use my hips and midsection as I pitched instead of just trying to throw with my arms and upper body like I had all my life," Handke said.


I've been interested in pitching mechanics ever since 2003 when my son (then a HS pitcher) started working on correcting his mechanics (with the help of several HS Baseball Web members, especially cap_n).

Just curious, do you remember who gave Handke the lessons? I wouldn't be surprised if it was you...

Julie
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ballboy6
of the first 100 players drafted 43 were hs players 8 were rhp, 8 were lhp,
these were the position players listed in order of first man taken by position:

Washington 2b l/r

Borchering 3b s/r
Davidson 3b r/r
Arenado 3b r/r

Mier ss r/r
Franklin ss s/r
Owings ss r/r
Givens ss r/r
Hamilton ss r/r
Diekroeger ss r/r

Baron c r/r
Joseph c r/r
Garfield c r/r
Murphy c r/r
Myers c r/r

Grichuk lf r/r
Nash lf r/r

Walla rf l/l

Tate cf r/r
Trout cf r/r
Fuentes cf l/l
Heathcott cf l/l
Williams cf l/r
Thompson cf r/r
Dugan cf s/r
Cooper cf s/r

I dont think left handed batting played a super premium over just plain hitting well or being a great athlete. It looks to me like a "nice to have" but the "must have" was plain great hitting ability... except in the case of catcher where the first catcher taken was not known for his hitting ability. The rest of the catchers are great hitters first and catchers second... except Garfield who is both a good hitter and good catcher.
playfair,

Went into our database... here is the answer.

Out of this list of the top 26 position players drafted, they have attended a total of 142 Perfect Game events. If we added the highest drafted pitchers, it would all of those too, who had attended a PG event. For that matter we could even add the college players and it would be about the same.

BTW, Here is your list...

Washington 2b l/r - 9 PG events including National Underclass Showcase and National Showcase

Borchering 3b s/r - 14 PG events including two National Underclass Showcases and National Showcase

Davidson 3b r/r - 9 PG events including Cal Underclasss Showcase/2007 Rising Juniors National Showcase/ Sunshine Showcase and National Showcase

Arenado 3b r/r - 9 PG events including Cal Underclasss Showcase/2007 Rising Juniors National Showcase/Sunshine Showcase and National Showcase

Mier ss r/r - 11 PG events including Cal Underclasss Showcase/2007 Rising Juniors National Showcase/Sunshine Showcase/08 National Showcase and National Showcase

Franklin ss s/r - 18 PG events including National Underclass/World Showcase/National Showcase

Owings ss r/r - 5 PG events

Givens ss r/r - 15 PG events including National Underclass Showcase and National Showcase

Hamilton ss r/r - 4 PG events including National Underclass

Diekroeger ss r/r - 0 PG events, the only one on this list who did not attend a PG event. PG still had him ranked.

Baron c r/r - 5 PG events

Joseph c r/r - 1 PG event

Garfield c r/r - 4 PG events including Cal Underclass showcasw/Sunshine Showcase and National Showcase

Murphy c r/r - 9 PG events including National Underclass Showcase

Myers c r/r - 7 PG events including National Showcase

Grichuk lf r/r - 2 PG events

Nash lf r/r - 9 PG events

Walla rf l/l - 1 PG event

Tate cf r/r - 13 PG events including National Showcase

Trout cf r/r - 9 PG events

Fuentes cf l/l - 2 PG events including World Showcase

Heathcott cf l/l - 6 PG events including Underclass and National Showcase

Williams cf l/r (18) - 2 PG events

Thompson cf r/r - 2 PG events

Dugan cf s/r - 1 PG event

Cooper cf s/r - 1 PG event

Here we added the HS pitchers. 42 of the 43 pitchers/players drafted in the top 100 did attend at least one PG event. For that matter we could even add the college players and it would be about the same. The 17 pitchers below attended a total of 84 PG events. All but one HS player or pitcher drafted in the top 100 picks attended at least one PG event and those 43 players attended a total of 226 PG events. Didn't get quite as complete as the position players, on the events they attended.

Here are the HS pitchers drafted in the top 100

Hobgood - 3 PG events including Cal Underclass Showcase

Wheeler - 18 PG events including National Showcase and National Underclass

Turner - 4 PG events including National Showcase and PG Indoor

Matzek - 3 PG events including PG National

Purke - 3 PG events including PG National

James - 6 PG events including PG National and National Predraft

Miller - 1 PG event

Skaggs - 2 PG events

Pounders - 12 PG events including National Underclass and PG National

Gould - 4 PG events including PG National

Berglund - 1 PG event

Eliopoulos - 1 PG event

Bushue - 3 PG events

Holmberg - 14 PG events including Academic Showcase/National Underclass/PG World and PG National

Matz - 5 PG events including Sunshine and PG National

Erlin - 3 PG events including Cal Underclass Showcase

Barrett - 1 PG event

Important Note: Before anyone gets mad about the bragging. We are not claiming that we had anything to do with these players getting drafted that high. It aint us, it’s the players and all those who helped them realize their talent. Parents, Coaches, etc.
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Mr. PG Staff brings a very good point. If you are a talented player, you want to test your skills against the very best and for the most part PG events seems to have all the best talents available at any given time. I know there are are lots more showcases/tournaments available but in my opinion PG database is the most complete one available and accessible to College/pro scouts. Smile
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Originally posted by OnWabana:
This took me a long time to compile and then when I went back through to double-check my work it didn't seem to add up exactly. They might be off + or - 2 players. But anyways these are pretty close and I will try to post exact numbers in near future:

D1- 680 players
D2- 61 players
D3- 14 players
NAIA- 47 players

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Thanks for taking the time to create the list.

Anyone have an idea why NAIA would have 3x more kids drafted than D3?
Some one will correct me if I am wrong but I am under the impression that D3 (think Chapman University) schools are high academic schools with no athletic scholarships and NAIA (think Azuza Pacific and Lewis and Clark State) schools are funded with scholarships and not tough academically to get into.

Completely different kids competing for spots in those programs.
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Originally posted by Vector:
quote:
Originally posted by OnWabana:
This took me a long time to compile and then when I went back through to double-check my work it didn't seem to add up exactly. They might be off + or - 2 players. But anyways these are pretty close and I will try to post exact numbers in near future:

D1- 680 players
D2- 61 players
D3- 14 players
NAIA- 47 players

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Thanks for taking the time to create the list.

Anyone have an idea why NAIA would have 3x more kids drafted than D3?
Many NAIA schools take in D1 transfers and many NAIA schools do offer schollys, whereas D3 does not offer athletic schollys, only non-athletic schollys. One school that has stood out at the D3 level is Wisconsin-Oshkosh, they have a notable former #1 draft the Angels took a few years back.
2010 draft fun

4Y = 4 Year University juniors (so and sr noted)
J1= juco freshman
J2= juco sophomore
J3= juco 3rd year (someone please explain)
I have rounded up/down to nearest % so I may be +or- 1% of 100%

Round 1: 32 players total
14 4y (1 so),1 J1,17 Hs

Round 1A: 18 players total
7 4y, 0 JC, 11 hs

Round 2: 32 players total
17 4y (1sr,1so), 2J1, 13 hs

Round 3: 30 players total
16 4y (1 so), 2J2, 12 hs

Round 3A: 3 total players
1 4y, 2J2

Round 4: 30 total players
17 4y (4sr), 2JC (j1,j2), 1 no school(Paxton), 10 hs

Round 5: 30 total players
20 4Y (1sr), 1J2, 9 hs

Total through round 5:
175 players
83 4Y jr or 47%, 3 4Y so, 6 4Y sr, 10 JC (4j1, 6j2), 1 no school, 72hs
53% are 4y players, 6% are JC, 41% are hs seniors.
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Round 6: 30 total players
17 4y (4 sr 1 so), 2JC2 , 11 hs

Round 7: 30 total players
16 4y (4sr), 3JC (1j2,2j3), 11 hs

Round 8: 30 total players
15 4y (5sr,1so), 7JC (1j1,4j2,2j3), 8hs

Round 9: 30 total players
19 4y, (8sr,1so), 2J2, 9hs

Round 10: 30 total players
17 4Y (2sr), 5JC (1J1,4J2), 8hs

Carryover totals:
Totals rounds 1-5 = 175 players:
175 players
92 4Y (83 jr or 47%, 3 4Y so, 6 4Y sr), 10 JC (4j1, 6j2), 1 no school, 72hs
53% are 4y juniors, 6% are JC, 41% are hs seniors.

6-10 Totals:
Totals rounds 6 – 10 = 150 players
84 4Y or 56%, 19 JC or 13%, 47hs or 31%

Trends-
4Y draftees moved upwards 3% in rounds 6-10
JC draftees moved upwards 7% in rounds 6-10
Hs draftees moved downward 10% in rounds 6-10
6 4Y college seniors drafted in rounds 1-5, 23 4Y college seniors drafted in rounds 6-10

Overall rounds 1-10 totals:
Total rounds 1-10 = 325 players drafted
176 4Y or 54%, 29 JC or 9%, 119 hs or 37%, 1 no school (325)
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Round 11
15 4Y (4 sr), 2J2, 13 hs
Round 12
19 4Y (11sr), 4 JC (2J1,1J2, 1J3), 7hs
Round 13
18 4y (7sr, 1so), 6 JC (2j1, 3j2,1j3), 6hs
Round 14
16 4y (8sr, 1 so), 3 JC (1j1,1j2,1j3), 11hs
Round 15
19 4y (2so, 6sr), 2JC (1j1,1j2), 9hs
Round 16
17 4y (10 sr), 5 JC (1j1,3j2,1j3), 8hs
Round 17
16 4y (10sr), 6 JC (3j1,3j2), 8hs

210 total players drafted 11 -17
120 4y or 57% (56 sr, 2so), 28 JC or 13%, 62 hs or 29%
Trends:
4Y seniors moved up consistently as rounds progressed. 6 in rounds 1-5, 23 in rounds 6-10, 56 in rounds 11-17.
JC players also moved up 10, 19 and 28 respectively
HS players moved down (probably signability) 72, 47, 62 (62 represents 7 rounds not 5)

Top 1/3 of the draft: 296 4Y (85sr) or 55%, 57 JC or 11% , 181 hs or 34%, 1 no school = 535 players drafted through rounds 17.

Notable: 16% of draftees in top 17 rounds of the 2010 draft were seniors of 4 Year colleges as compared to 11% juco players drafted in the top 17 rounds.
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quote:
Originally posted by playfair:
2010 draft fun

4Y = 4 Year University juniors (so and sr noted)
J1= juco freshman
J2= juco sophomore
J3= juco 3rd year (someone please explain)
I have rounded up/down to nearest % so I may be +or- 1% of 100%

Round 1: 32 players total
14 4y (1 so),1 J1,17 Hs

Round 1A: 18 players total
7 4y, 0 JC, 11 hs

Round 2: 32 players total
17 4y (1sr,1so), 2J1, 13 hs

Round 3: 30 players total
16 4y (1 so), 2J2, 12 hs

Round 3A: 3 total players
1 4y, 2J2

Round 4: 30 total players
17 4y (4sr), 2JC (j1,j2), 1 no school(Paxton), 10 hs

Round 5: 30 total players
20 4Y (1sr), 1J2, 9 hs

Total through round 5:
175 players
83 4Y jr or 47%, 3 4Y so, 6 4Y sr, 10 JC (4j1, 6j2), 1 no school, 72hs
53% are 4y players, 6% are JC, 41% are hs seniors.
playfair, thanks for running the stats on the Drafts.

As far as J3, I'm not sure what you are asking, but you could have a red-shirt year at the jr college level thus giving a jr college player 3 yrs of eligibility, but there are also 3 levels of junior college competition, JC D1, JC D2 and JC D3. D3 gives no schollys at all.

I hope that clarifies your question for "please explain".

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