Hi I have a scoring question if a run is earned or not....batter gets a double and is on 2nd base when a fly ball is hit to center field...ball is caught for an out and the runner on 2nd advances to 3rd on the sac fly then the ball gets past the 3rd baseman and pitcher and goes into the dugout and the runner on third is awarded home....the official scorer gives an error to the center fielder on the throw and the run was scored as an earned run on the pitcher...is that an earned run since it scored on the throwing error on the CF?
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1st of all, a fly ball to center that advances a runner from 2nd to 3rd is not a sac fly. It is just an out with runner advancing.
2nd, it really depends on what happens afterwards that will determine if the run is earned or not. In other words, if the runner had held at 3rd and the next batter gets a hit that would have scored the runner anyway, it is earned. If, on the other hand, there were two outs and the next batter makes an out - which would have left the runner stranded at 3rd - then it is unearned.
Can you provide us more information on what happened during the inning? That will make it easier to tell you for sure.
Good answer bballman.
ERs are one of the anomalies of scoring because they’re so dependent on what takes place after them. A good rule of thumb for scorers is, never mark a run earned or unearned until the inning is over. If there are no errors, catcher’s inference, or passed balls, then every run scored was earned. If there are any of those things, the inning has to be reconstructed.
# 5 John | |
#12 Cody | John advances to 2nd (double) 5 John advances to 3rd (5), 5 John Scores Earned (error by the center fielder), 12 Cody putout (fly out to center field) for out number 1 |
#18 Bryan | Ball, Called Strike, Ball, Ball, Foul, 18 Bryan advances to 1st (single) |
#4 Jose | Called Strike, Ball, Called Strike |
Offensive Substitution | 24 Garrett runs for Bryan at 1st base. |
#4 Jose | Ball, Foul, Ball, 24 Garrett advances to 2nd (stolen base), 4 Jose putout (strike out) for out number 2 |
#14 Kyle | Ball, 14 Kyle putout (4-3) for out number 3 |
Runs: 1, Hits: 2, Errors: 1, LOB: 1
this is the inning right from pointstreak I took out last names ....I guess by what you are saying the run was earned because there was only one out at the time of error and the next batter got a base hit? |
That's what it looks like to me. The runner would have scored on the single by the next batter. Earned run.
Thanks for the explanation...makes sense!
See if I have this right.
John leads off the inning with a double.
Cody hits a fly ball to center that gets caught for out #1.
After the play, John tags up and advances to 3rd.
When the throw is bad, John advanced to home on the error.
Here’s where you need to remove the error and put the runner where he would have been without the error. So put John back on 3rd with 1 out.
Bryan singles. Assuming the single is one that would score a runner from 3rd, the run becomes earned. However, it still could be undetermined. Here’s an example that happened in a game just last week. Runner on 3rd with no outs. Batter hits a little blooper behind 2nd, but R3 has to hold up in case the ball gets caught. The ball drops and the batter is safe on a single, but the runner doesn’t score. If that’s the case and the inning continued with the strikeout and ground out, the run would be unearned.
bryan's single was a base hit up the middle so the run is earned...thanks again to everyone for your help. I knew I could count on you all for the explanation!
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