Hi,
Does anyone know about the ECPL teams. Are they good programs.
I couldn't find anything on OIBA Prospects - does anyone have any knowledge/ experience with them.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Dan blen still coaching this team.
Are you referring to the Coastal Plains Summer Collegiate league ?
Are you referring to the Coastal Plains Summer Collegiate league ?
quote:Originally posted by d2e8b8:
Hi,
Does anyone know about the ECPL teams. Are they good programs.
I couldn't find anything on OIBA Prospects - does anyone have any knowledge/ experience with them.
Thanks in advance for your help.
ECPL as their website states was formed in 2008. It was born out of the old CSBL (Canadian Showcase Baseball League) now defunked which was born from the old CEBC. This league runs next to the PBLO (Premier Baseball League of Ontario) The PBLO has a respective relationship with the Ontario Baseball Association (OBA) wherein the PBLO only field teams Between 15 - 18 year olds. The ECPL have memebership teams who recruit kids under 15 years of age.
The OIBA Prospects appears to be a new team who joined the ECPL in the first season. The Thunderbirds transfered out of the PBLO last season to affiliate themselves with the ECPL. If you are looking into trying to catch on with a team in either league I would go to their respective websites then click on each team's individual 18u team website and check out how the make out placing their players with college scholarships. Most of the teams should be in the middle of holding tryouts at this time of year.
I hope this helps.
Is that what they are called now?
The original CE BC was owned by the T Bird owner. It was set up to be an alternative to the PBLO. It was a weaker league.
Now it has developed a bit better and incorporates a few US teams. Still now a strong league. The T Birds dropped out of the PBLO and have gone back to the this league under the new name.
My understanding is that the T Birds are not what they used to be as the owner is getting less involved in his SR years.
If I had a choice I would want to compete in the PBLO. Both leagues provide college exposure but the PBLO does a better job.
The OIBA has been around for some time and as I recall it was from the Barry area. Dan seemed like a good coach and I have chatted with him over the years.
The original CE BC was owned by the T Bird owner. It was set up to be an alternative to the PBLO. It was a weaker league.
Now it has developed a bit better and incorporates a few US teams. Still now a strong league. The T Birds dropped out of the PBLO and have gone back to the this league under the new name.
My understanding is that the T Birds are not what they used to be as the owner is getting less involved in his SR years.
If I had a choice I would want to compete in the PBLO. Both leagues provide college exposure but the PBLO does a better job.
The OIBA has been around for some time and as I recall it was from the Barry area. Dan seemed like a good coach and I have chatted with him over the years.
ECPL is one step above OBA AAA and a step below PBLO
That may be true to a degree but there are OBA teams that would crush their best teams. They would not do well against the better teams in PBLO.
Have any of you watched the PeeWee tournament at the CNE. I remember when my son played in it. It was very exciting. There was a kid back then who hit 4 home runs that year that landed on the roof of the Medieval Times Restaurant. Last name was CYR from Kitchener.
Thanks for all good information.
One of the reasons I came here is that the OIBA website seems to consist of only the front page and the links on it don't work.
In terms of cost, the ECPL teams seem to at par with the rest of the PBLO teams (barring the most expensive ones).
OBA has some good kids but they don't play as many games plus with the volunteer parent coaches it's hit and miss on whether you have a good experience with a team.
Our last 2 years were not great in that regard where some boys were favoured/ protected while others saw more bench time.
One of the reasons I came here is that the OIBA website seems to consist of only the front page and the links on it don't work.
In terms of cost, the ECPL teams seem to at par with the rest of the PBLO teams (barring the most expensive ones).
OBA has some good kids but they don't play as many games plus with the volunteer parent coaches it's hit and miss on whether you have a good experience with a team.
Our last 2 years were not great in that regard where some boys were favoured/ protected while others saw more bench time.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
That may be true to a degree but there are OBA teams that would crush their best teams. They would not do well against the better teams in PBLO.
I am talking in general and referring more to the team as a whole not neccessarily the individual players.
I know players in the ECPL that can play on THE top team in the PBLO
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Have any of you watched the PeeWee tournament at the CNE. I remember when my son played in it. It was very exciting. There was a kid back then who hit 4 home runs that year that landed on the roof of the Medieval Times Restaurant. Last name was CYR from Kitchener.
very fun tournament. the short fence in centre makes for a lot of home runs. Hitting the roof of Medival Times is not that hard
The guy was 12yo and the only one I saw do that. The roof is flat and the balls went right onto the roof. He was amazing. His team won that year. He also hit other HRs that just left the yard. He was the MVP of the tournament.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
The guy was 12yo and the only one I saw do that. The roof is flat and the balls went right onto the roof. He was amazing. His team won that year. He also hit other HRs that just left the yard. He was the MVP of the tournament.
not taking away from his accomplishment but I have seen (in person) other 12 year olds hit home runs over 300 feet!
ECPL teams do not attract players at a caliber to compete with PBLO teams. I would place ECPL teams at the same level as good OBA teams. That being said as with the OBA there are some high calibre players in the league but not enough to warrant a lot of scouting activity. The ECPL league is not one level below PBLO but I would say at least two or three levels below the PBLO. You will find most of the 16U PBLO teams defeating most of the 18U ECPL teams.
The bottom line with baseball in Ontario the private PBLO teams (not the OBA/PBLO) teams usually have the top elite athletes attracted to their organziations. That is not to say teams like the METS do not get a decent draw as they do. Sadly though those players on the METS do not get the representation as those other private teams. The London Badgers do not compete well in the PBLO. Watch out for the Windsor Stars this year in the PBLO. They are a new entry. They may do well if they can get the Windsor athletes to come together on this team.
The bottom line with baseball in Ontario the private PBLO teams (not the OBA/PBLO) teams usually have the top elite athletes attracted to their organziations. That is not to say teams like the METS do not get a decent draw as they do. Sadly though those players on the METS do not get the representation as those other private teams. The London Badgers do not compete well in the PBLO. Watch out for the Windsor Stars this year in the PBLO. They are a new entry. They may do well if they can get the Windsor athletes to come together on this team.
quote:Originally posted by LET-THE-KIDS-PLAY-WHERE-THEY-WANT-TO:
ECPL teams do not attract players at a caliber to compete with PBLO teams. I would place ECPL teams at the same level as good OBA teams. That being said as with the OBA there are some high calibre players in the league but not enough to warrant a lot of scouting activity. The ECPL league is not one level below PBLO but I would say at least two or three levels below the PBLO. You will find most of the 16U PBLO teams defeating most of the 18U ECPL teams.
The bottom line with baseball in Ontario the private PBLO teams (not the OBA/PBLO) teams usually have the top elite athletes attracted to their organziations. That is not to say teams like the METS do not get a decent draw as they do. Sadly though those players on the METS do not get the representation as those other private teams. The London Badgers do not compete well in the PBLO. Watch out for the Windsor Stars this year in the PBLO. They are a new entry. They may do well if they can get the Windsor athletes to come together on this team.
You pay dearly for representation, as you put it. Keep in mind you dont necessarily need the PBLO to get schollarships -which is the goal for most players.
We are a couple of years away from 16U. I can say that there have been years where my
son’s baseball training etc. has cost as much as almost any PBLO program would today (in excess of $10K). If one does any kind of research about the schools that your son could attend, in most cases, you could go to their off-season camps to get a direct sense of your sons prospects. There are in fact inexpensive prospect showcases in Ontario that can allow you to cast a bigger net.
If your kid is academically inclined, is a baseball scholarship to a US school the best way to go. If this is a money decision, be careful! A half scholarship to a school that has tuition that is twice as much as a good local school may not be the route to go. Let’s say your kid is cranking an 85 which is pretty much the cutoff to get into a good engineering school. How far away would you have to send him to find a similar educational experience? For example, to find a school which is the equivalent of the University of Waterloo, you’d have to look at places like Georgia Tech, MIT, etc. A half-scholarship to one of those places is still going to leave you with a bill that’s probably twice as much as if you’d stayed home and went to Waterloo. Do you want to spend $10K to $15K a year for a few years with these PBLO teams just to qualify for spending more money? Could your son actually carry the course load for a heavy program like engineering, etc. if they were part of a baseball program?
I meet a lot of young men who at the end of their high school careers chose a path where they went to a US school for a few years, and seem to have taken courses which didn’t really lead them to a strong career after baseball. Maybe they weren’t ready for college/university at the end of school anyways so it was as good as anything at that point. Maybe they were not inclined to do well in courses that would land them a job after school anyways. It just seems to me that a lot of these guys seem a bit aimless and underemployed after the baseball dream has ended.
When I look through the list of PBLO teams successful placements, I am not over-the-top impressed. Many of the school names read the same year-over-year – likely long-term linkages to the coaching staffs or the geography of where they go to play. I’m not saying that these placements weren’t right for the kids involved but, I would guess that 75% of them would be poor choices for mine.
Back to it… instead of paying $12K on a PBLO, throw $2K at specific training, spend $3K on three or four University Prep camps (Wayne State, Ohio State, Binghampton, University of Michigan, etc. all run these) run by the actual coaches that would be recruiting your son. Throw a few bucks at ProTeach’s Prospect Camps. Throw another $1K at the OBA. Half price and if you work out the training well, you may end up ahead of the game from a skills level. Plus, you wont be running around all over the planet. Also, you don’t have to wait until 16 to do this.
I am not anti-PBLO. There is a regimen to their programs and some players will improve greatly by being involved with them. In general, you are getting what you pay for. Not all great players in the province play for a PBLO – not all can afford it or can justify it. So don’t tell yourself, that your signing up to be with the best. Sign up because the program will make a difference for your kid; your kid can handle the commitment; your kid will enjoy the experience; and your kid will get greater exposure.
son’s baseball training etc. has cost as much as almost any PBLO program would today (in excess of $10K). If one does any kind of research about the schools that your son could attend, in most cases, you could go to their off-season camps to get a direct sense of your sons prospects. There are in fact inexpensive prospect showcases in Ontario that can allow you to cast a bigger net.
If your kid is academically inclined, is a baseball scholarship to a US school the best way to go. If this is a money decision, be careful! A half scholarship to a school that has tuition that is twice as much as a good local school may not be the route to go. Let’s say your kid is cranking an 85 which is pretty much the cutoff to get into a good engineering school. How far away would you have to send him to find a similar educational experience? For example, to find a school which is the equivalent of the University of Waterloo, you’d have to look at places like Georgia Tech, MIT, etc. A half-scholarship to one of those places is still going to leave you with a bill that’s probably twice as much as if you’d stayed home and went to Waterloo. Do you want to spend $10K to $15K a year for a few years with these PBLO teams just to qualify for spending more money? Could your son actually carry the course load for a heavy program like engineering, etc. if they were part of a baseball program?
I meet a lot of young men who at the end of their high school careers chose a path where they went to a US school for a few years, and seem to have taken courses which didn’t really lead them to a strong career after baseball. Maybe they weren’t ready for college/university at the end of school anyways so it was as good as anything at that point. Maybe they were not inclined to do well in courses that would land them a job after school anyways. It just seems to me that a lot of these guys seem a bit aimless and underemployed after the baseball dream has ended.
When I look through the list of PBLO teams successful placements, I am not over-the-top impressed. Many of the school names read the same year-over-year – likely long-term linkages to the coaching staffs or the geography of where they go to play. I’m not saying that these placements weren’t right for the kids involved but, I would guess that 75% of them would be poor choices for mine.
Back to it… instead of paying $12K on a PBLO, throw $2K at specific training, spend $3K on three or four University Prep camps (Wayne State, Ohio State, Binghampton, University of Michigan, etc. all run these) run by the actual coaches that would be recruiting your son. Throw a few bucks at ProTeach’s Prospect Camps. Throw another $1K at the OBA. Half price and if you work out the training well, you may end up ahead of the game from a skills level. Plus, you wont be running around all over the planet. Also, you don’t have to wait until 16 to do this.
I am not anti-PBLO. There is a regimen to their programs and some players will improve greatly by being involved with them. In general, you are getting what you pay for. Not all great players in the province play for a PBLO – not all can afford it or can justify it. So don’t tell yourself, that your signing up to be with the best. Sign up because the program will make a difference for your kid; your kid can handle the commitment; your kid will enjoy the experience; and your kid will get greater exposure.
Notlong have fun at the BKTB tournament My son played in it years ago.
You make some good points about Canadians playing US college ball. A 50% ride is a tough thing to get. Most position players are lucky to get any BB money. It is even tougher with new D1 rules.
Typically US colleges run up wards of 18,000 just for tuition compared to 5000 here. Then you add room board and books plus flights. Many of the schools we talked to were 30,000 plus.
If we had to pay what many are paying for elite teams we would have changed our approach. It doesn't make sense to pay 5000 a year plus to get a deal with a US college that may have no BB money.
When my son went the exchange rate was 23% and a return flight was 500. If he hadn't got the money he did he wouldn't have gone. Ne also had 2 jobs on campus that gave him good money.
One of his bosses transfered to UNC Wilmington and just gave him a job while he is in Wilmington.
You make some good points about Canadians playing US college ball. A 50% ride is a tough thing to get. Most position players are lucky to get any BB money. It is even tougher with new D1 rules.
Typically US colleges run up wards of 18,000 just for tuition compared to 5000 here. Then you add room board and books plus flights. Many of the schools we talked to were 30,000 plus.
If we had to pay what many are paying for elite teams we would have changed our approach. It doesn't make sense to pay 5000 a year plus to get a deal with a US college that may have no BB money.
When my son went the exchange rate was 23% and a return flight was 500. If he hadn't got the money he did he wouldn't have gone. Ne also had 2 jobs on campus that gave him good money.
One of his bosses transfered to UNC Wilmington and just gave him a job while he is in Wilmington.
Hi Bobble:
PBLO's are generally up in price for the more prestigeous programs. I went to watch some of the Terriers and I believe their program is $8500 but, it's all inclusive with Florida in. It's my understanding that OBJ and Team O are over $10K. The Terriers have a heck of a staff and are a solid organization. For several winters, we have trained/played in Florida at March Break. Last winter my son played with ProTeach against the Mets down there. We have briefly watched some of the tournaments the PBLO teams attend. If you take home the tournament program and go back through and compare the teams that were there against the scholarship placements - the correlation isnt that strong. When it gets down to it, the PBLO teams more or less guarantee that your kids team mates are seriously committed. They are getting great training and they are playing a lot of baseball.
Perhaps the greatest influence on my 13YO's 2010 baseball season is that he made a top level (16th in the province and rising) basketball team. At 6' and 180 lbs., the flat-out running involved in the three practices a week is rapidly transforming his physique. For some reason, the depth of coaching in basketball is far greater than OBA baseball. The kids on this team were selected for both ability and their commitment to work. $500 gets you a six month season that is pretty much the same atmosphere and commitment as a PBLO.
This is the first year in many that we have taken time off from baseball and I sense next year may be my son's strongest year ever. He will enter Minor Bantam having pitched from 60' for two years prior. We are going to gradually work on a curve this spring to add to his repertoire (he is 2+ years into puberty and had his overdue first shave last week). That's why I wouldn't mind seeing you sometime if possible Bobble. He will also work on hitting with a tremendous private coach we found last year. Sometime this summer we will attend one or two of the University prep camps (which normally take kids entering Gr 9).
Under this scheme, your kid could be getting feedback from a Head Coach (in our case a coach that was a former pitching specialist) in a school of his choosing a year before he would even be playing PBLO. Many of these places provide written evaluations. Based on PBLO schedules, you might not have the time to attend these prep camps.
Cheers
PBLO's are generally up in price for the more prestigeous programs. I went to watch some of the Terriers and I believe their program is $8500 but, it's all inclusive with Florida in. It's my understanding that OBJ and Team O are over $10K. The Terriers have a heck of a staff and are a solid organization. For several winters, we have trained/played in Florida at March Break. Last winter my son played with ProTeach against the Mets down there. We have briefly watched some of the tournaments the PBLO teams attend. If you take home the tournament program and go back through and compare the teams that were there against the scholarship placements - the correlation isnt that strong. When it gets down to it, the PBLO teams more or less guarantee that your kids team mates are seriously committed. They are getting great training and they are playing a lot of baseball.
Perhaps the greatest influence on my 13YO's 2010 baseball season is that he made a top level (16th in the province and rising) basketball team. At 6' and 180 lbs., the flat-out running involved in the three practices a week is rapidly transforming his physique. For some reason, the depth of coaching in basketball is far greater than OBA baseball. The kids on this team were selected for both ability and their commitment to work. $500 gets you a six month season that is pretty much the same atmosphere and commitment as a PBLO.
This is the first year in many that we have taken time off from baseball and I sense next year may be my son's strongest year ever. He will enter Minor Bantam having pitched from 60' for two years prior. We are going to gradually work on a curve this spring to add to his repertoire (he is 2+ years into puberty and had his overdue first shave last week). That's why I wouldn't mind seeing you sometime if possible Bobble. He will also work on hitting with a tremendous private coach we found last year. Sometime this summer we will attend one or two of the University prep camps (which normally take kids entering Gr 9).
Under this scheme, your kid could be getting feedback from a Head Coach (in our case a coach that was a former pitching specialist) in a school of his choosing a year before he would even be playing PBLO. Many of these places provide written evaluations. Based on PBLO schedules, you might not have the time to attend these prep camps.
Cheers
NOTLONG
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PBLO's are generally up in price for the more prestigious programs. I went to watch some of the Terriers and I believe their program is $8500 but, it's all inclusive with Florida in. It's my understanding that OBJ and Team O are over $10K. The Terriers have a heck of a staff and are a solid organization. For several winters, we have trained/played in Florida at March Break. Last winter my son played with ProTeach against the Mets down there. We have briefly watched some of the tournaments the PBLO teams attend. If you take home the tournament program and go back through and compare the teams that were there against the scholarship placements - the correlation isnt that strong. When it gets down to it, the PBLO teams more or less guarantee that your kids team mates are seriously committed. They are getting great training and they are playing a lot of baseball.
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NOTLONG I believe the following would be more correct for the 16U's.
The Terriers 16U program is $7,800 or there about (Fall Ball and no Florida Trip or there is an extra cost for it).
Team Ontario 16Us are approx. $7,500 (No fall ball trip and now for the first time an official 16U trip to Florida in March).
OBJ 16U's are $8,900 which includes a Fall Ball Trip to South Carolina and a March Break Trip to Florida.
So as you can see the top 3 teams typically are priced very much the same once you compare apples to apples. If you add an extra trip to the Terriers and Team O you will find they will be in line with the OBJ costs around $8,900.
The bottom line in the PBLO is that if you play for a non OBA related PBLO team the costs will be higher just because you get what you pay for. These teams are not taking anyone for a ride. Every cent is worth it. They spend most of the money on training and travel. If an OBA team would have to do the same it would cost more so they do not try and run the same program and run a program with a few trips, less traing, and weaker coaches (in most cases) rather than what they do in the PBLO.
I would suggest teams like the Toronto Mets and London Badgers would be around 3/4 of the price after all is said and done because they do less.
I have seen a lot of post in regards to OBA vs. PBLO costs. This is like comparing apples and oranges. You sign up for each of these organizations for different reasons and different requirements. As with College Baseball some kids pay and some kids get part scholarships and some kids get full scholarships. The PBLO is no different. Some kids pay more and some kids get scholarships on all of the three major teams anyway. So if your kid is good enough at the PBLO age and can get a scholarship go for it. If he is not then he has to pay to get better so he can get a scholarship in College. If he still is not good enough then he will pay for a good chunk of his college or all as well. If your kid had to pay $20K to go to Notre Dame in the US and play baseball would he? You’re going to pay $20K to go to Waterloo and no baseball.
Using some of the numbers quoted by you earlier:
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Back to it… instead of paying $12K on a PBLO, throw $2K at specific training, spend $3K on three or four University Prep camps (Wayne State, Ohio State, Binghampton, University of Michigan, etc. all run these) run by the actual coaches that would be recruiting your son. Throw a few bucks at ProTeach’s Prospect Camps. Throw another $1K at the OBA. Half price and if you work out the training well, you may end up ahead of the game from a skills level. Plus, you won’t be running around all over the planet. Also, you don’t have to wait until 16 to do this.
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This is all fine and dandy but you have left out all of the hidden cost let alone you will receive about 1/3 of the training and will be competing against what I would classify as below average players in baseball as compared to PBLO players. You also leave all of the hidden costs you fail to realize such as travel not only for your kid but now the parents and siblings as well as all your time. I know you can go on trips without them but how much does that suck for them. How much does it cost your family to really play in the OBA and do all of the training (PRO TEACH etc) and then do all of the travelling and do all of the Showcases and have no support infrastructure to assist you and so on and so on. This is one of the main deliverables of PBLO teams to do all of this without parents making it a full time job. My kid can go to a tournament/showcase in Florida, Arizona, or Indiana and I do not have to invest my time to go. I do not have to book hotels and air fair and meals and so on and so on.
There are some OBA teams that are becoming more aggressive with the training and travel such as the Georgetown Eagles. Most of their better players have left and gone to the PBLO but since the coach’s son is on the team he will carry on. The parents will spend more money with this team than on a PBLO team if they try and replicate the same travel. They will have to do all of the arrangements themselves, most likely each trip will cost at least 2 or 3 times more per family and they will not get the same level of competition in league play during the year which will ultimately hurt them. But if this plan works for them there is nothing wrong with that.
You have to realize not every parent wants to dive in and take on their kid’s baseball as a full time job. This is what you are signing up for with the methodology you apply to. Now if you let your kid play in the OBA and don’t worry about the showcases etc and be a normal parent and then one day a scout comes along and picks your kid then that I would say is great. Otherwise you are just convincing yourself you can do it just as good as these other teams but cheaper. You are wrong you cannot. The only way this will happen is if your kid is natural wonder at baseball. Be very honest with yourself. Can he play 2 or 3 ages groups up? Does he really blow everyone away at his own age group and I am not talking 15 or 20 home runs or a 70-75 mph fast ball at 13. It would fall in the line of 30 or 40 home runs and an 80 mph fast ball at 13.
NOTLONG you are no different as we have all been there. My kid is an exceptional ball player better than 98% of others at his own age but the bottom line is he really wants to be a better ball player (the easy way for parent and player) then you get on a PBLO team. If not, you do it the hard way as you have documented.
There are a lot of OBA parents that always like to put down the costs of playing in the PBLO. The costs are not the issue as much as is your boy in the right organization. Your kid has the opportunity to do more in baseball now with the PBLO than he has in the OBA. There is nothing wrong with that but each organization have very different things and experiences to offer the kids. Comparing dollars is really not what it is about. For my kid the life experience he is getting in the PBLO is very different than the OBA. The OBA is really not there to develop kids that way and you will find the PBLO takes a boy and helps him be a responsible young man. A boy can play baseball in the OBA and always be a boy. There is nothing wrong with that. It is all dependent on what you as a family feels is right at the right time.
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PBLO's are generally up in price for the more prestigious programs. I went to watch some of the Terriers and I believe their program is $8500 but, it's all inclusive with Florida in. It's my understanding that OBJ and Team O are over $10K. The Terriers have a heck of a staff and are a solid organization. For several winters, we have trained/played in Florida at March Break. Last winter my son played with ProTeach against the Mets down there. We have briefly watched some of the tournaments the PBLO teams attend. If you take home the tournament program and go back through and compare the teams that were there against the scholarship placements - the correlation isnt that strong. When it gets down to it, the PBLO teams more or less guarantee that your kids team mates are seriously committed. They are getting great training and they are playing a lot of baseball.
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NOTLONG I believe the following would be more correct for the 16U's.
The Terriers 16U program is $7,800 or there about (Fall Ball and no Florida Trip or there is an extra cost for it).
Team Ontario 16Us are approx. $7,500 (No fall ball trip and now for the first time an official 16U trip to Florida in March).
OBJ 16U's are $8,900 which includes a Fall Ball Trip to South Carolina and a March Break Trip to Florida.
So as you can see the top 3 teams typically are priced very much the same once you compare apples to apples. If you add an extra trip to the Terriers and Team O you will find they will be in line with the OBJ costs around $8,900.
The bottom line in the PBLO is that if you play for a non OBA related PBLO team the costs will be higher just because you get what you pay for. These teams are not taking anyone for a ride. Every cent is worth it. They spend most of the money on training and travel. If an OBA team would have to do the same it would cost more so they do not try and run the same program and run a program with a few trips, less traing, and weaker coaches (in most cases) rather than what they do in the PBLO.
I would suggest teams like the Toronto Mets and London Badgers would be around 3/4 of the price after all is said and done because they do less.
I have seen a lot of post in regards to OBA vs. PBLO costs. This is like comparing apples and oranges. You sign up for each of these organizations for different reasons and different requirements. As with College Baseball some kids pay and some kids get part scholarships and some kids get full scholarships. The PBLO is no different. Some kids pay more and some kids get scholarships on all of the three major teams anyway. So if your kid is good enough at the PBLO age and can get a scholarship go for it. If he is not then he has to pay to get better so he can get a scholarship in College. If he still is not good enough then he will pay for a good chunk of his college or all as well. If your kid had to pay $20K to go to Notre Dame in the US and play baseball would he? You’re going to pay $20K to go to Waterloo and no baseball.
Using some of the numbers quoted by you earlier:
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Back to it… instead of paying $12K on a PBLO, throw $2K at specific training, spend $3K on three or four University Prep camps (Wayne State, Ohio State, Binghampton, University of Michigan, etc. all run these) run by the actual coaches that would be recruiting your son. Throw a few bucks at ProTeach’s Prospect Camps. Throw another $1K at the OBA. Half price and if you work out the training well, you may end up ahead of the game from a skills level. Plus, you won’t be running around all over the planet. Also, you don’t have to wait until 16 to do this.
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This is all fine and dandy but you have left out all of the hidden cost let alone you will receive about 1/3 of the training and will be competing against what I would classify as below average players in baseball as compared to PBLO players. You also leave all of the hidden costs you fail to realize such as travel not only for your kid but now the parents and siblings as well as all your time. I know you can go on trips without them but how much does that suck for them. How much does it cost your family to really play in the OBA and do all of the training (PRO TEACH etc) and then do all of the travelling and do all of the Showcases and have no support infrastructure to assist you and so on and so on. This is one of the main deliverables of PBLO teams to do all of this without parents making it a full time job. My kid can go to a tournament/showcase in Florida, Arizona, or Indiana and I do not have to invest my time to go. I do not have to book hotels and air fair and meals and so on and so on.
There are some OBA teams that are becoming more aggressive with the training and travel such as the Georgetown Eagles. Most of their better players have left and gone to the PBLO but since the coach’s son is on the team he will carry on. The parents will spend more money with this team than on a PBLO team if they try and replicate the same travel. They will have to do all of the arrangements themselves, most likely each trip will cost at least 2 or 3 times more per family and they will not get the same level of competition in league play during the year which will ultimately hurt them. But if this plan works for them there is nothing wrong with that.
You have to realize not every parent wants to dive in and take on their kid’s baseball as a full time job. This is what you are signing up for with the methodology you apply to. Now if you let your kid play in the OBA and don’t worry about the showcases etc and be a normal parent and then one day a scout comes along and picks your kid then that I would say is great. Otherwise you are just convincing yourself you can do it just as good as these other teams but cheaper. You are wrong you cannot. The only way this will happen is if your kid is natural wonder at baseball. Be very honest with yourself. Can he play 2 or 3 ages groups up? Does he really blow everyone away at his own age group and I am not talking 15 or 20 home runs or a 70-75 mph fast ball at 13. It would fall in the line of 30 or 40 home runs and an 80 mph fast ball at 13.
NOTLONG you are no different as we have all been there. My kid is an exceptional ball player better than 98% of others at his own age but the bottom line is he really wants to be a better ball player (the easy way for parent and player) then you get on a PBLO team. If not, you do it the hard way as you have documented.
There are a lot of OBA parents that always like to put down the costs of playing in the PBLO. The costs are not the issue as much as is your boy in the right organization. Your kid has the opportunity to do more in baseball now with the PBLO than he has in the OBA. There is nothing wrong with that but each organization have very different things and experiences to offer the kids. Comparing dollars is really not what it is about. For my kid the life experience he is getting in the PBLO is very different than the OBA. The OBA is really not there to develop kids that way and you will find the PBLO takes a boy and helps him be a responsible young man. A boy can play baseball in the OBA and always be a boy. There is nothing wrong with that. It is all dependent on what you as a family feels is right at the right time.
I see a player my son used to play against just got taken in the 7th round NBA draft. Russel Hicks is 7' tall and 255 lbs. He played D1 for Pepperdine and Florida International My son had to guard him which was fun.
We found HS basketball was really well run. Also Ontario Basketball was great. We actually had run ins with the guy who runs CYO. My son played for a break away team started by disgruntled parents called the St Catharines Heat. He also played in the CYO house league which was fun and not too demanding. We were unaware of the politics going on but believe me it is just as bad as BB.
Yes the cost of these teams in PBLO and other leagues is just crazy. Talked to a lady at a Bullit tryout . She told me she was paying $750. month all year. I watched for an hour and it was no better than OBA.
Remind me when you are in town and I will try to take in a game.
Tom
We found HS basketball was really well run. Also Ontario Basketball was great. We actually had run ins with the guy who runs CYO. My son played for a break away team started by disgruntled parents called the St Catharines Heat. He also played in the CYO house league which was fun and not too demanding. We were unaware of the politics going on but believe me it is just as bad as BB.
Yes the cost of these teams in PBLO and other leagues is just crazy. Talked to a lady at a Bullit tryout . She told me she was paying $750. month all year. I watched for an hour and it was no better than OBA.
Remind me when you are in town and I will try to take in a game.
Tom
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You pay dearly for representation, as you put it. Keep in mind you dont necessarily need the PBLO to get scholarships -which is the goal for most players.
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The PBLO is not just about scholarships or MLB draft. You don't just pay for representation. It is about making better ball players and better kids. It about competing against the best and growing and maturing in a discipline environment. To play at the Elite level you must always compete against the best. This is the golden rule. The training, maturing, responsibility and development is what the PBLO offers. The scholarships and MLB draft will come as well.
Some kids will get greater bigger scholarships and some will get what most frown upon as weaker school scholarships. What most don't realize that this is the law of nature. This is the destiny for kids they will go to a lesser school and play baseball even if they are not the best. That is just the way it happens because they want it. Good for them if that is what they want and go and get it. Everyone cannot go to D1 schools on a full ride. Just does not happen. They are just as good a person as all the D1 full ride kids. They just are not as baseball talented.
There are a lot of scholarships available and yes you do not have to play in the PBLO but if your just after a scholarship then go get one. You don't need the PBLO or the OBA for that. What quality of life/growing/maturity/baseball do you want for your kid is the question. If all you have on your mind is a scholarship during your kids high school years then his teen years will go by quickly and with disappointment. If he plays baseball and learns, grows and matures and scholarship is secondary and get's the right one then it is all worth it. Yes I will pay dearly for that.
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You pay dearly for representation, as you put it. Keep in mind you dont necessarily need the PBLO to get scholarships -which is the goal for most players.
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The PBLO is not just about scholarships or MLB draft. You don't just pay for representation. It is about making better ball players and better kids. It about competing against the best and growing and maturing in a discipline environment. To play at the Elite level you must always compete against the best. This is the golden rule. The training, maturing, responsibility and development is what the PBLO offers. The scholarships and MLB draft will come as well.
Some kids will get greater bigger scholarships and some will get what most frown upon as weaker school scholarships. What most don't realize that this is the law of nature. This is the destiny for kids they will go to a lesser school and play baseball even if they are not the best. That is just the way it happens because they want it. Good for them if that is what they want and go and get it. Everyone cannot go to D1 schools on a full ride. Just does not happen. They are just as good a person as all the D1 full ride kids. They just are not as baseball talented.
There are a lot of scholarships available and yes you do not have to play in the PBLO but if your just after a scholarship then go get one. You don't need the PBLO or the OBA for that. What quality of life/growing/maturity/baseball do you want for your kid is the question. If all you have on your mind is a scholarship during your kids high school years then his teen years will go by quickly and with disappointment. If he plays baseball and learns, grows and matures and scholarship is secondary and get's the right one then it is all worth it. Yes I will pay dearly for that.
Let you are a little off on PBLO players getting full rides. Some of their top players might get 70% and they would be pitchers. Weglarz, Davidson didn't get full rides. They are 2 of the highest profile players to come out of the PBLO.
quote:This is the destiny for kids they will go to a lesser school and play baseball even if they are not the best.
Wow LET I had to reread your post. I think you are operating under an illusion.
My son pitched against OBJ 18U when they had one of the strongest rosters they have ever had. He crushed them. He pitched against the Brantford Red Sox SR team that won the Intercounty championship and he struck 5 guys out in the 2 innings he pitched.
What does a lessor pitcher do at a lessor school when he faces top D1 schools ?
If you want a full ride you are in the wrong sport.
My son had 4 wonderful years and it cost very little. The hard part was having to give it up when it was over. Wasn't about BB, it was about his friends.
The U of Waterloo is a great college and the last time I checked the undergrad courses were approx $5000 a year. Notre Dame $20,000 ? I don't think so. Maybe the 1st semester.
Hi Guys:
I tried to cover a lot of ground with that last email and thus it was thin.
If anything, I tend to agree with Bobble about the cost of a US education versus a Canadian one. If I misheard $8500 for $7800 so be it. Most reports I get about OBJ and Team O are that if you include the “hidden costs” it moves closer to $15K. When a kid is playing his first FL tournament at 10, the family goes – it’s far more expensive than a PBLO, where you put him on the bus and wave goodbye – I agree. The summer my kid played in Buffalo, the gas bill was over $3K. All in, CDP was probably about $2K. We winter trained in four places and did the FL trip as well… so it wasn’t a cheap year. I am fully aware of the hidden costs. Most of the nearby university prep camps are in the $300 to $500 range and typically go about 3 to 4 days. If you talk another parent into such a trip it will be in the $1K range to do it. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where these places are. If you look at it from the standpoint that you’re going to eventually research this anyway, it’s not a waste of time. It is also a different experience if your kid is in a training environment with a coach than a scout situation.
I am not anti-PBLO at all. For us, this exercise is likely one in addition to the efforts of PBLO activity. As I’ve said before, I believe the PBLO is in many ways a way to get economies of scale into the development and recruiting process. If you actually start looking for schools though, it may not be that you need a shotgun approach to all of this. My guy is not in the top 98%. He has won academic awards at school but, it’s too early to say that he would crank enough to get an Ivy academic scholarship. An only child, he may not want to travel far to university – hard to tell yet. In our specific situation, that might say five to ten schools as targets – tops.
I agree with the young player norms you suggest – no surprise there.
Let’s say your kid is in the top 2% of his graduating class - not sure how you get that project-ability but, anyway, it is highly possible in the world of US College Athletics that things may not work out exactly as planned. That scholarship is only a one year deal. Although it’s been a while since Bobble’s son was in our guys place, I would take the experience he has to offer on this site with open arms. His son was a top pitcher when he graduated. He made it into a decent University south of the Mason Dixon line and he graduated from that program with a good education. In discussion he has warned that what we think is good is commonplace. My son’s hitting instructor has a son in 3rd year south of the Mason Dixon line. Last year with Parkland College in IL, he had a batting average over 400 and he hit the longest Home Run in that Colleges history. They also won their College World Series last year. He played for Grayson in Texas in his first year. It was humbling. His father said that in the south there are kids with absolutely terrible mechanics and they can flat-out hit a baseball just because they have been doing it for so many years over longer seasons. The message was basically “God help you if you’re a position player and a hitter – no matter what percentile you’re in within Ontario ranks”. This is from a kid that has been hitting in a basement cage his dad built, for hours since my son’s age. While in Buffalo, our Pitching Coach, who had been in the Boca Raton area up until the season we played with them, said that the high school team his sons would have attended had two guys who could light up 90 and a third that was close in 2008. There was a kid at CDP NATC week in 2008 that was rumoured to throw 79 and was virtually unhittable. Who knows, maybe he’ll be throwing 79 at 17. I think the message from Bobble and our hitting coach is simple: Seek out the best development possible – the rest will come.
If you’re at 98%, I would be trying to secure an invite to the Stanford Camp. Then you’d have 60 or so schools looking at your kid – one stop shopping. I’d be interested to know how many PBLO kids get an invite?
A while back I did some stats on the tryout for the Junior Nationals or whatever it was at Pearson Fields. There were about 250 kids and my estimate was that close to 80% of them came from Elite organizations (PBLO and other). It may be another reason to consider going elite.
Cheers
I tried to cover a lot of ground with that last email and thus it was thin.
If anything, I tend to agree with Bobble about the cost of a US education versus a Canadian one. If I misheard $8500 for $7800 so be it. Most reports I get about OBJ and Team O are that if you include the “hidden costs” it moves closer to $15K. When a kid is playing his first FL tournament at 10, the family goes – it’s far more expensive than a PBLO, where you put him on the bus and wave goodbye – I agree. The summer my kid played in Buffalo, the gas bill was over $3K. All in, CDP was probably about $2K. We winter trained in four places and did the FL trip as well… so it wasn’t a cheap year. I am fully aware of the hidden costs. Most of the nearby university prep camps are in the $300 to $500 range and typically go about 3 to 4 days. If you talk another parent into such a trip it will be in the $1K range to do it. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where these places are. If you look at it from the standpoint that you’re going to eventually research this anyway, it’s not a waste of time. It is also a different experience if your kid is in a training environment with a coach than a scout situation.
I am not anti-PBLO at all. For us, this exercise is likely one in addition to the efforts of PBLO activity. As I’ve said before, I believe the PBLO is in many ways a way to get economies of scale into the development and recruiting process. If you actually start looking for schools though, it may not be that you need a shotgun approach to all of this. My guy is not in the top 98%. He has won academic awards at school but, it’s too early to say that he would crank enough to get an Ivy academic scholarship. An only child, he may not want to travel far to university – hard to tell yet. In our specific situation, that might say five to ten schools as targets – tops.
I agree with the young player norms you suggest – no surprise there.
Let’s say your kid is in the top 2% of his graduating class - not sure how you get that project-ability but, anyway, it is highly possible in the world of US College Athletics that things may not work out exactly as planned. That scholarship is only a one year deal. Although it’s been a while since Bobble’s son was in our guys place, I would take the experience he has to offer on this site with open arms. His son was a top pitcher when he graduated. He made it into a decent University south of the Mason Dixon line and he graduated from that program with a good education. In discussion he has warned that what we think is good is commonplace. My son’s hitting instructor has a son in 3rd year south of the Mason Dixon line. Last year with Parkland College in IL, he had a batting average over 400 and he hit the longest Home Run in that Colleges history. They also won their College World Series last year. He played for Grayson in Texas in his first year. It was humbling. His father said that in the south there are kids with absolutely terrible mechanics and they can flat-out hit a baseball just because they have been doing it for so many years over longer seasons. The message was basically “God help you if you’re a position player and a hitter – no matter what percentile you’re in within Ontario ranks”. This is from a kid that has been hitting in a basement cage his dad built, for hours since my son’s age. While in Buffalo, our Pitching Coach, who had been in the Boca Raton area up until the season we played with them, said that the high school team his sons would have attended had two guys who could light up 90 and a third that was close in 2008. There was a kid at CDP NATC week in 2008 that was rumoured to throw 79 and was virtually unhittable. Who knows, maybe he’ll be throwing 79 at 17. I think the message from Bobble and our hitting coach is simple: Seek out the best development possible – the rest will come.
If you’re at 98%, I would be trying to secure an invite to the Stanford Camp. Then you’d have 60 or so schools looking at your kid – one stop shopping. I’d be interested to know how many PBLO kids get an invite?
A while back I did some stats on the tryout for the Junior Nationals or whatever it was at Pearson Fields. There were about 250 kids and my estimate was that close to 80% of them came from Elite organizations (PBLO and other). It may be another reason to consider going elite.
Cheers
It is great to play in the US college system if things go well. I have seen great players who didn't get any playing time , get ticked and transfer. Now it is much more difficult to do this. I have seen over recruiting, scholarships reduced or taken away. Most of the players have no BB money at all. One friend who played PBLO (Team O Inc) went to a D1 in Arkansas had a 90 mph fastball. He was RS 2 of the 4 years there and didn't take enough courses to graduate. He cut back on the courses to cut costs. He also did all the big showcases. He was a top student in HS. If you are a good student you will get some money but it is no way near covering even tuition. Many go to Jucos because it is a lot cheaper.
A friend of mine said her daughter went to Boston U on a rowing scholarship. It was a full ride and it still cost them over $10,000.
I think it is important to be realistic about scholarships and playing time. That is why we didn't place a lot of emphasis on BB and how great the team was. He got what we had hoped for even if it would have been nice if the team had done better
A friend of mine said her daughter went to Boston U on a rowing scholarship. It was a full ride and it still cost them over $10,000.
I think it is important to be realistic about scholarships and playing time. That is why we didn't place a lot of emphasis on BB and how great the team was. He got what we had hoped for even if it would have been nice if the team had done better
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Let you are a little off on PBLO players getting full rides. Some of their top players might get 70% and they would be pitchers. Weglarz, Davidson didn't get full rides. They are 2 of the highest profile players to come out of the PBLO.
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Bobble I am not off at all and no not just pitchers but position players get free rides if they are good enough. No different from College Bobble. Again I am not exaggerating at all there are free rides for kids in the OBA, PBLO, College and Intercounty. That being said this is the few not the many.
I have a kid in a Canadian University and it is costing about $16K with tuition, books, residence etc. So you are a far cry off with your numbers for Waterloo. It ain't no $5K Bobble. It may have been back in your day but not any more.
Guys the bottom line is depending on how good the player depends on how much $$$ they will receive. It starts at a very young age and going up including OBA (Georgetown Eagles), PBLO, College, Intercounty, and MLB.
I have heard some parents/scouts say do you want your kid subsidizing a player on a PBLO team who is being subsidized or getting a free ride? They say this to justify their kid not being the one subsidized. This is a crock. What do you think you do when you go to College? Depending on how good you are you have to subsidize other players. You have to ignore all of this and focus on who your kid is and what their skills are and what program is good for them to make them a better player and a better person.
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BobbleheadDoll
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Posted November 10, 2009 10:33 AM Hide Post
Let you are a little off on PBLO players getting full rides. Some of their top players might get 70% and they would be pitchers. Weglarz, Davidson didn't get full rides. They are 2 of the highest profile players to come out of the PBLO.
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Bobble I am not off at all and no not just pitchers but position players get free rides if they are good enough. No different from College Bobble. Again I am not exaggerating at all there are free rides for kids in the OBA, PBLO, College and Intercounty. That being said this is the few not the many.
I have a kid in a Canadian University and it is costing about $16K with tuition, books, residence etc. So you are a far cry off with your numbers for Waterloo. It ain't no $5K Bobble. It may have been back in your day but not any more.
Guys the bottom line is depending on how good the player depends on how much $$$ they will receive. It starts at a very young age and going up including OBA (Georgetown Eagles), PBLO, College, Intercounty, and MLB.
I have heard some parents/scouts say do you want your kid subsidizing a player on a PBLO team who is being subsidized or getting a free ride? They say this to justify their kid not being the one subsidized. This is a crock. What do you think you do when you go to College? Depending on how good you are you have to subsidize other players. You have to ignore all of this and focus on who your kid is and what their skills are and what program is good for them to make them a better player and a better person.
If you add room , board etc , yes it can cost $16,000 approx.
In the US a 4 year schools the tuitions alone are that much and much higher. If you add room and board you are closer to $30,000. That is at a less expensive US school. A typical undergrad tuition here is $5000. That is a current figure. UBC offered my son a $5000 scholarship which they don't call a BB scholarship. The total cost of attending was estimated by the coordinator at $10-12,000. They are one of the few that give money to athletes. The Ontario schools are not allowed to give athletic money. I am friends with the coaches at Brock and they don't give athletic money and even academic money is hard to get.
As for OBA, PBLO etc there have always been deals. Mostly for kids who couldn't afford the fees. I am not sure what your problem is. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. I have seen the books of the Rebels and they don't make a profit. In fact they have subsidized the team in some years. The have a not for profit designation and are subject to audits in order to maintain that designation.
In the US a 4 year schools the tuitions alone are that much and much higher. If you add room and board you are closer to $30,000. That is at a less expensive US school. A typical undergrad tuition here is $5000. That is a current figure. UBC offered my son a $5000 scholarship which they don't call a BB scholarship. The total cost of attending was estimated by the coordinator at $10-12,000. They are one of the few that give money to athletes. The Ontario schools are not allowed to give athletic money. I am friends with the coaches at Brock and they don't give athletic money and even academic money is hard to get.
As for OBA, PBLO etc there have always been deals. Mostly for kids who couldn't afford the fees. I am not sure what your problem is. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. I have seen the books of the Rebels and they don't make a profit. In fact they have subsidized the team in some years. The have a not for profit designation and are subject to audits in order to maintain that designation.
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If you add room , board etc , yes it can cost $16,000 approx.
In the US a 4 year schools the tuitions alone are that much and much higher. If you add room and board you are closer to $30,000. That is at a less expensive US school. A typical undergrad tuition here is $5000. That is a current figure. UBC offered my son a $5000 scholarship which they don't call a BB scholarship. The total cost of attending was estimated by the coordinator at $10-12,000. They are one of the few that give money to athletes. The Ontario schools are not allowed to give athletic money. I am friends with the coaches at Brock and they don't give athletic money and even academic money is hard to get.
As for OBA, PBLO etc there have always been deals. Mostly for kids who couldn't afford the fees. I am not sure what your problem is. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. I have seen the books of the Rebels and they don't make a profit. In fact they have subsidized the team in some years. The have a not for profit designation and are subject to audits in order to maintain that designation.
"Under the OUA policy, varsity teams in Ontario are able to award a maximum of $3,500 per year to qualified student-athletes in addition to regular academic awards and bursaries to help with expenses for the school year."
Also, I disagree with your last paragraph. Many PBLO teams give free rides to their star players. This is off course subsidized by the remaining roster players.
Blex in order for a student athlete to get the money you are referring to, the student has to have an 80% mark. This is a step in the right direction but not nearly enough.
Why do you refer to Full Ride when referring to PBLO ? They don't award anything. They may cut a deal but who knows for sure.
Why do you refer to Full Ride when referring to PBLO ? They don't award anything. They may cut a deal but who knows for sure.
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Blex in order for a student athlete to get the money you are referring to, the student has to have an 80% mark. This is a step in the right direction but not nearly enough.
Why do you refer to Full Ride when referring to PBLO ? They don't award anything. They may cut a deal but who knows for sure.
All scholarships have some rules and restrictions and it takes 80% to get into any university in Ontario sports or no sports.
some of the top PBLO players play for free - I know for a fact.
Blex that $3500 is a max and BB players based on those rules will be lucky to get $500.
The rules are very complex and very few will see anywhere near the max. It is all tied into gender equity and you would have to get more than 1 award to get to the max. Brock coaches told me that a freshman get around $500.
The PBLO teams as I said may cut deals. I know a lot of guys who played for OBJ,Team O Inc and others that paid full price. I am not sure what your point is. If you can cut a deal more power to them.
The rules are very complex and very few will see anywhere near the max. It is all tied into gender equity and you would have to get more than 1 award to get to the max. Brock coaches told me that a freshman get around $500.
The PBLO teams as I said may cut deals. I know a lot of guys who played for OBJ,Team O Inc and others that paid full price. I am not sure what your point is. If you can cut a deal more power to them.
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Blex that $3500 is a max and BB players based on those rules will be lucky to get $500.
The rules are very complex and very few will see anywhere near the max. It is all tied into gender equity and you would have to get more than 1 award to get to the max. Brock coaches told me that a freshman get around $500.
The PBLO teams as I said may cut deals. I know a lot of guys who played for OBJ,Team O Inc and others that paid full price. I am not sure what your point is. If you can cut a deal more power to them.
i have no point other than to point out that there is some athleitc scholi money in Canada.
It would have been cheap for my son to go to Brock. Tuition approx $4800/year and living at home. A $500 scholarship freshman year and a bit more after that. Play in cold weather with a very small schedule. No thanks.
UBC was an option and the scholarship was half the cost of attendance. I pushed for UBC. They even tried to get him to transfer after his freshman and soph years. He was having a great time and is still down south after graduating back in May. I even tried to get him back here for grad school but he wants to stay in the South.
UBC was an option and the scholarship was half the cost of attendance. I pushed for UBC. They even tried to get him to transfer after his freshman and soph years. He was having a great time and is still down south after graduating back in May. I even tried to get him back here for grad school but he wants to stay in the South.
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Blex when a kid gets a scholarship anywhere who do you think subsidizes it? The other members of the team whether that be in College or a PBLO team. There is only so much scholarship money to go around and if you are one of the lucky/talented ones then the rest of your team mates subsidize you. College, PBLO, OBA and any other organization are all the same.
You make it sound like the PBLO does something wrong when they scholarship kids or am I reading you wrong?
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Also, I disagree with your last paragraph. Many PBLO teams give free rides to their star players. This is off course subsidized by the remaining roster players.
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Blex when a kid gets a scholarship anywhere who do you think subsidizes it? The other members of the team whether that be in College or a PBLO team. There is only so much scholarship money to go around and if you are one of the lucky/talented ones then the rest of your team mates subsidize you. College, PBLO, OBA and any other organization are all the same.
You make it sound like the PBLO does something wrong when they scholarship kids or am I reading you wrong?
The ECPL was born out of frustration, not out of the CEBC or anything other than that. To be truthful it was Dan Bleiwas from the OBJ that orginated the concept and chose the name (I personally don't like it, it does not ring of the tongue very well), but Dan wanted to start another league to pressure the OBA to concede to his wishes for Niagara to be a quasi-OBJ team. Whatever reason, it can be said that PBLO is a Tier One program and ECPL a Tier Two, and there may be some validity to that - PBLO Stud vs. ECL Stud - but I can say without a shadow of a doubt the ECPL has more to offer its members than the PBLO does. The PBLO is a collection of teams playing exhibition games really just waiting for the US High School ball to be finished so they can travel. The ECPL offer three College Showcases, League Stats, Standings, Balanced Scheds, Central Scouting Reports, Webcasting of tournaments, League Championships and Cross Border US games for league play...all for $10.00 per player!!! PBLO teams are now infighting for players and the player no has to fork out $10++ to be on the Haves, versus the Have Nots. The ECPL is slowly building, we have a mission, a plan and the will to see it through. BTW - I am the Commish for the ECPL, so I am a little biased, yeah.
Are there any parents that went to Terrier/Mets games at Stony Brook this past weekend? Wondering how games went and final scores. The teams websites aren't putting anything up. Thanks.
