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How junior college ruling could impact baseball, MLB draft

Kiley McDaniel, ESPN MLB Insider

A recent college football ruling against the NCAA could end up having a sizable impact on the future of college baseball.

On Wednesday, a federal judge in Tennessee granted an injunction to Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Pavia, allowing him to pursue another year of NCAA eligibility. That means a college athlete's time in junior college doesn't count toward his overall years of NCAA eligibility.

If upheld, this would mean that a player who spends two years at a junior college could start his NCAA career as a freshman with four years of eligibility left instead of the current

While Pavia's case is tied to an SEC football player, pending a final ruling, the change could impact college baseball, MLB draft and even the minor leagues in a profound way. I spoke with a dozen MLB scouts and college coaches about the potential fallout.

An ACC assistant baseball coach summed up his thinking: "I wonder what's coming next from administrators. College baseball will be a whole lot different if juco doesn't count."

Here is how the impact could be felt by everyone involved across every level.

The players

This decision is a clear positive for amateur players. If seasons at a junior college stop counting toward that NCAA standard of four playing seasons in five years, players could use the path to better line up their best college seasons at the best schools for the most playing time and best monetary outcome (NIL, salary or draft signing bonus), with flexibility to change schools each season and likely getting a free graduate school degree or two along the way.

Here's one scenario:

High school (age 18): The player turns down a low-six-figure signing bonus in the draft out of high school.

College Year 1 (age 19): The player doesn't have a starting spot at the Power 4 school he committed to in high school and, instead of playing part time, asks for a redshirt to preserve his eligibility. (This player is also draft-eligible every year of this scenario except this one.)

College Year 2 (age 20): The player moves to a junior college, where he starts and makes progress as a prospect with regular reps.

College Year 3 (age 21): The player's progression continues, and he commits to a mid-major college during his second junior college year.

College Year 4 (age 22): The player is a redshirt freshman and has a great year at a mid-major school.

College Year 5 (age 23: The player transfers to an SEC school as a sophomore and gets a $100,000+ NIL package.

College Year 6 (age 24): Returns/transfers to SEC school as a junior.

College Year 7 (age 25): Returns/transfers to SEC school as a senior.

There are other scenarios such as a postgrad year after high school, a junior college redshirt, a medical redshirt, etc., that mean we could someday see a player celebrate his 30th birthday while still playing college baseball.

One of the key points here that would incentive players to consider this path is that they would be draft-eligible in nearly every season of their college career. This opens up the opportunity to leave for the pros whenever their stock is highest, since MLB rules allow players to be drafted after each season at a junior college or in a college season where they turn 21 years old by Aug. 1. In the current system, players often have to decide between taking what is offered to them as a high school senior or waiting three years to be draft-eligible again. Until recently with NIL and soon revenue sharing, these players would make no money between those two decisions.

There is some downside for players though: It would become rarer for freshmen to contribute at top schools, thus top schools will likely offer fewer scholarships to high school players, and it will get very competitive for roster spots at these top colleges, exacerbating something that was already starting to happen with the recent set of roster reforms.

College programs

Junior college baseball would see the immediate biggest impact with this change as it isn't a leading path to professional baseball right now. In fact, over the past five MLB drafts, there has been only one first-round pick, one second-round pick and three third-round picks selected directly out of junior colleges. It is more common to see players transfer from junior colleges to four-year colleges and then go early in the draft, but that is still seen as a secondary path at best. Both of those paths from junior college to the pros would become more common when eliminating the two burned years of eligibility and infusing the juco level with talent looking to maximize future options.

The feedback I got from MLB scouts and college coaches on what this means for four-year schools showed the ramifications would also be felt all the way up to the highest levels of Division I baseball.

The top schools would have rosters featuring a mix of top draft prospects of a typical college age and "professional" collegiate players in their mid-to-late-20s, with the latter shuffling in and out nearly every season.

In fact, a scout texted me the Pavia headline and added: "The NCAA just got a minor league." I texted back to clarify, "The SEC will just be big draft guys and 26-year-olds?" "Pretty much."

There were already some stories this summer of top high school recruits (mid-to-upper-six-figure bonus offers from MLB teams) being dropped by top college programs late in the process in favor of a college junior transferring in to receive a six-figure NIL package, likely going on to sign a pro contract after one season.

That transfer is almost certainly a better player for that year than the incoming freshman but demands NIL resources for only one season of performance. We might see more short-term decisions like this made by coaches as their salaries continue to rise -- winning an extra series could be worth millions. There continue to be fewer incentives to develop players in college for multiple seasons from a small role to a bigger one and, at the same time, convincing a promising prospect to use a year of eligibility for a part-time role would be more difficult.

MLB teams

There's currently a pretty high bar for teams to clear when offering a bonus to entice a player to sign out of high school, often somewhere from $500,000 to $1 million. We've started seeing some examples of players choosing college over pro ball with NIL offers playing a large role. I could see a world where junior colleges are strictly for development and playing time, the top four-year college programs become comparable to Low-A in competition level and professional environment, and mid-major colleges are a way station between the two.

Seeing a top 21-year-old draft prospect facing a savvy 26-year-old college lifer regularly before the draft would let MLB teams feel better about how that top prospect will look in the minor leagues, thus raising the perceived return on investment they make on the player. Scouts I talked to were also concerned for their jobs because of the certainty those kinds of matchups would create. At the top college programs, where there's full video and charting of every pitch alongside rich data that often rivals MLB ballparks, the opinion of scouts in the stadium could matter less when analytical models would be able to quantify even more of the key information used for draft-day decisions.

If the top collegiate conferences start replicating a lot of what the lower minors will offer, then the talent in the lower minors would also decrease to some degree. I don't think this would affect Double-A or Triple-A at all -- there will just be two similar paths leading to the upper minors and the big leagues.

MLB teams would still regularly draft and sign the best players out of high school and the top four-year colleges in the first few rounds like they do now, but the potent combination of the recently contracted minor leagues, NIL/transfer portal and junior colleges as a training ground that don't use NCAA eligibility could lead to fewer players signing for lower-six-figure bonuses to develop in the minor leagues since the benefits would potentially be greater in college.

Think of it from a young player's perspective: getting a free education, a large chunk of your potential signing bonus in revenue sharing/NIL next season, and a chance to increase that eventual bonus dramatically -- when it's possibly your only big payday in baseball -- could be the smart move. The other option is taking a low-six-figure bonus for what could just be a few years of playing in the minors before being released. Teams that take a bulk approach to the draft with a number of low-to-mid-six-figure-bonus collegiate players might have to adjust their strategy.

Changing how teams are able to get talent from the amateur levels through their systems to the major leagues could be a big enough difference maker to alter both team strategies and eventually how the draft functions. You can then imagine a world where this series of changes leads to a more top-heavy draft of players that largely go straight to High-A or Double-A and may only be one year away from the major leagues when drafted. Does it lead to a shorter draft? A modified draft-and-follow system? A loan system like soccer? Does MLB get more involved with the college game, maybe by subsidizing scholarships or holding the MLB draft in Omaha around the College World Series?

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The operative word in that article is COULD. It is pure speculation. Of course ESPN would promote this possibility as they stand to benefit if it occurs. IMO ESPN has deteriorated to the point that it’s completely self-serving and is no longer good for the sporting world. They are just another corporation trying to influence the public in order to advance their own agenda.

My impression is ESPN is way out over its skis. Pavia was granted a one year extension under the restraining order.

He presented an antitrust issue alleging he could make $1M in NIL money if granted that additional one year which was where the JC aspect came into play.

The NCAA followed and issued an eligibility determination which mostly mirrors the relief sought by Pavia…one year for the 2025/2026 academic year.

ESPN is extrapolating to the worst case scenario projected out many years. This situation is so fluid it seems very hard to project much beyond the 2025 college baseball season.

I have no basis to say the postulated scenarios are right or wrong.  But, I note that the programs which gamed out all sorts of NIL scenarios, got a huge headstart on the ones which didn't aggressively game out the possible scenarios.

An SEC HC I know is gaming out strategies for this specific contingency; early birds and worms.

Your post, Goosegg, and mine are not too dissimilar. Each looks at the same  situation but, perhaps, different perspectives.

Your description of plans on the college coaching side seems plausible and reasonable for top coaching staffs.

My comments more reflects a personal view from the standpoint of HS players and parents (the vast majority who are not draft likely out of HS.

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If the scenario comes to pass it would make for a higher quality college game. However, the reason would be college ball had essentially become minor league ball. I would lose interest in watching. I would prefer to watch my team’s minor leaguers.

To be honest I’m losing interest in MLB play unless I’m at the park. But it’s more the day’s experience than the game. This scenario could end my interest in baseball.

The money in college baseball just isn't there.  Revenue sharing for college baseball is going to be around 1.9%,so say 2%.   The SEC cap is 20.5 million for revenue sharing.   That is 400k to divide up among 34 players.  Add in NIL and it still doesn't touch the MLB numbers.  There will always be exceptions but how many guys turned down the MLB for NIL money?  Prager who was a draft eligible Sophomore, anyone else?  There were older guys with Covid eligibility left in the SEC that signed for 10-15k. 

Maybe this doesn’t belong in this thread, but as a parent of a 14U 8th grader, all of this makes me reflect on the current state of youth baseball. If college baseball careers are continually delayed by factors like division or conference (JUCO, D3, D2, D1, SEC, etc.), rising player ages, and a lack of meaningful development, how can youth baseball ever improve? What incentive do travel organizations have to prioritize genuine player development? Is travel ball becoming even more chaotic? Do injuries continue to increase as a result?

The financial commitment parents are making to their 12U, 13U, and 14U sons’ baseball journeys already blows my mind. Between $300 to $500 a month for arm care, $75 to $100 a week for hitting lessons, $100 to $250 a month for gym memberships, $3,500 to $5,500 for summer team fees (depending on the team), and $1,000 to $2,500 for spring teams at the 8th grade 14U level—this doesn’t even account for hotel costs at 3-6 tournaments during this time. Spending over five figures annually is common where I live, and I know many families who easily spend over $20,000 a year.

Then there’s the trend of repeating 8th grade, which has practically become standard here. Tack on the tuition for a private/catholic school to repeat 8th grade before heading back to public school for 9th grade. And if a player doesn’t make the “A” travel team, there are hundreds of other travel teams to join. My son has teammates past and present on their 3rd-4th-5th-6th team already.

All of this makes me question the purpose of it all—especially when extended eligibility rulings suggest years more of “development” are required. How is this business model sustainable in the long term? And what does it mean for players who won’t even begin their professional careers until their late 20s or early 30s?

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Just a thought, but maybe the focus will turn back to HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL as the goal, rather than playing beyond high school.  There is a function for travel ball (and maybe all the other stuff) as a way to get higher-level playing than you can get from rec leagues, to prepare you for high school.  That's for sure what we thought we were doing in travel, before about my son's sophomore year of high school.

After all, this site is the HIGH SCHOOL Baseball Web.

@theleica posted:

Maybe this doesn’t belong in this thread, but as a parent of a 14U 8th grader, all of this makes me reflect on the current state of youth baseball. If college baseball careers are continually delayed by factors like division or conference (JUCO, D3, D2, D1, SEC, etc.), rising player ages, and a lack of meaningful development, how can youth baseball ever improve? What incentive do travel organizations have to prioritize genuine player development? Is travel ball becoming even more chaotic? Do injuries continue to increase as a result?

The financial commitment parents are making to their 12U, 13U, and 14U sons’ baseball journeys already blows my mind. Between $300 to $500 a month for arm care, $75 to $100 a week for hitting lessons, $100 to $250 a month for gym memberships, $3,500 to $5,500 for summer team fees (depending on the team), and $1,000 to $2,500 for spring teams at the 8th grade 14U level—this doesn’t even account for hotel costs at 3-6 tournaments during this time. Spending over five figures annually is common where I live, and I know many families who easily spend over $20,000 a year.

Then there’s the trend of repeating 8th grade, which has practically become standard here. Tack on the tuition for a private/catholic school to repeat 8th grade before heading back to public school for 9th grade. And if a player doesn’t make the “A” travel team, there are hundreds of other travel teams to join. My son has teammates past and present on their 3rd-4th-5th-6th team already.

All of this makes me question the purpose of it all—especially when extended eligibility rulings suggest years more of “development” are required. How is this business model sustainable in the long term? And what does it mean for players who won’t even begin their professional careers until their late 20s or early 30s?

Playing past high school shouldn’t be a consideration before playing high school and success in 16/17u travel. Spending a lot of money shouldn’t be a consideration in the preteen years before a player gets on a full size field to show actual talent.

Too many parents are under the delusion talent can be purchased. It can’t. Potential can only be optimized. Preteen baseball should be about developing solid fundamentals so the player can begin to show what he has on the full-size field at 13u.  

13u is slow motion baseball. Legitimate talent starts to show at 14u. If a travel program isn’t coaching to develop through 16u they’re stealing your money. Teams that are coached to develop win a lot too.

@theleica. I think you bring up some very good points, as does RJM and AP.

I'm as guilty as anyone of almost skipping the HS years in my thought processes. But I've learned a lot now by watching my 2 older kids. There are a lot of adults making a living off youth sports. I admit I've paid lots of money over the years. Gotta be over 6 figures if you include family travel expenses. I still have one more to go. A 7th grader. Watching him, I can see he is the fastest of the 3 by far. Here is my formula for him. Play multiple sports, especially when he was under 12. This next spring/summer will be his first club team. And guess what? he's easily as good at this age as the ones I forked out $8k/yr at age 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. He's been taking private hitting lessons at $45/week. No gym membership until he reaches the phase where he can gain mass.  Protein. Zinc. Magnesium. Vit d. As much sleep as possible. His older bro, a college MIF, helps me w fielding work. I realize he'll probably have to pitch in HS so I make sure the general mechanics are fine right now. (which I've unfortunately learned via breaking my middle son and then having him fixed).

Like rjm says, at age 14- if you can truly be objective, you should know what you have. Now you can decide if you want to go money pit mode. But still no PG, PBR showcases until Jr year or maybe ever. No crazy ass out of state tournament schedules/travel. No recruiters with stupid high fees. The goal should be to play HS baseball at high level and have tons of fun. I have no desire for this kid to enter into the D1 crazy world that's going on right now. If he wants to play college baseball, I'll steer him to the best combo of education at a playing level where I know he can compete. (granted convincing a teenager of this is a bit challenging).

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Why would you spend money for a kid to only play baseball at the high school level?  If my boys have/had no desire to play beyond high school then by no means am I spending (much) money on summer teams or lessons.  My boys didn't play for an "aau" team until they were 13.  They didn't start lessons until 12 or 13 as well. They played on their summer township travel team.  But two of the three had/have desires to play at the highest level possible.  My youngest is only 10 so I'll wait and see what he wants to do.

Yes this is a HS baseball website, but I found it because my first kid was about to go into middle school/high school and wanted to take it as far as he could go and I needed to find out what to do to help in that journey.  My boys played baseball/basketball and were very good in that too but I didn't seek out websites or lessons to help make them better in those sports because they didn't want to play beyond high school.  I just relied on their own athletic abilities.

Are there parents out there who wear rose colored glasses, even when their kid is only 8,9, or 10?  Sure.  I have been adamant that there is no need for "aau" teams until 13.  My youngest has friends who left to play on those teams at age 9 even though I told some of them there is no need for it because you have no idea what is going to happen until they start  puberty.

I guess maybe we are saying the same thing and I just misunderstood?

Once, when my oldest son was about 10, I heard someone say, to the dad of another kid on the team, "well, I guess you won't need to pay for college."  But it was just a thing to say, that kid was out of baseball by 12.  It was the first time that I had even thought that playing college baseball was a thing.

My sons all played in our wonderful rec league.  When my middle (baseball) son was 11, one of the dad-coaches decided to pull out some of the better kids to form a travel team.  We were on the fence.  The argument was, "to get them ready for high school."  We did it, mainly because most of his baseball friends were also pulling out for travel teams.  They did in-state travel, had regular practices (unlike rec league), and were basically pretty bad.  Those coaches didn't know much about baseball, but they arranged for some training/lessons by people who did.

By the time my son was 13, he wanted to be on a better team with coaches who knew baseball.  At that point, everything became driven by him (although paid by us!).  He moved to a state-wide travel team, did lessons locally (ours were much cheaper than in larger areas), etc.  He loved the lessons, the speed and agility training, the weight-lifting training.  Still, the rationale was that this was what you had to do if you wanted to make the high school team.  And it was true - everyone who made the high school teams played some kind of travel.

I didn't even think about playing beyond high school until his sophomore year, when some of the other parents on the travel team brought it up, and a few people we knew started to commit.  His  travel teams were focused on college recruitment at 16U and 17U.  However, some of his high-school friends stayed on that dad-run travel team, and also ended up playing in college.

I do believe what I have read on this site many times, don't start thinking about college until you have made your high school varsity team.  And so that's why I say that at younger ages, the focus should be on doing that.

My oldest son had a very similar path @anotherparent.  Almost identical.  Some of the travel kids on his 15-16U travel team were getting attention from ACC and D1 schools as a result of winning PG National WWBA in East Cobb.  My son started thinking seriously about college baseball at that point.  He was already playing HS Varsity in a very competitive region in Virginia as a freshmen.  My two younger sons had the advantage of seeing what their older brother was going through playing college baseball, and decided it wasn't for them.  They didn't have the baseball passion their older brother had.

@theleica I think most of us understand where you're coming from.  It is one thing for you to think to yourself that maybe he's got a shot at this, however it is another thing for your son to realize that this (college baseball) is something he could possibly do and that he likes the grind of doing it....because it really is a grind.  In the last 10 years, the travel baseball investment and infrastructure has become ridiculous.  14U is a good indicator in terms of does my son have the skills and a real genuine desire to be the best he can be AND consider college baseball.  Most of us that have been around can spot elite skills right away, but it is hard to know what they are thinking.   As a parent, I would encourage you to track your son's progress and his drive & attitude toward achieving his baseball goals.   As the saying goes, "attitude is everything".   You're in the best position to know if there is a fire burning in his belly or is he going through the motions because of his friends.  If the fire burns in the belly then maybe it is worth some of the (judicious) investment in travel baseball.  The college baseball landscape is rapidly changing but there is always opportunity for skilled and driven young men.

As always, JMO

Like rjm says, at age 14- if you can truly be objective, you should know what you have.

If you have something special other people who know baseball will tell you. My son was the IT kid in his grade in every sport he played. The first time I heard “you don’t have to save for college” he was seven. I kept saving. The parent obviously didn’t know much about baseball scholarships.

I played major conference ball (don’t know how many P’s there were then). My daughter verballed to a P6 (Big East hadn’t imploded yet) softball program when my son was ten. I always figured my kids had the athletic ability IF they had the desire.

My daughter exhibited no desire to play college sports until she entered high school, had a size and strength burst and quickly went from competent to dominant. My son verballed to Louisville when he was ten. Louisville never knew. One Saturday he enjoyed sitting with a couple of Louisville pitchers behind home charting and gunnIng pitchers.

Going back to the opening quote I knew I had something with my daughter when her former All Big Ten softball coach told me we have to get her moved up to 18u Gold (from 16u, she was fifteen) now. She said “we” because she was the overall hitting instructor for my daughter’s travel program. I was the hitting coach for her travel team.

I knew I had something with my son when a pro scout told me he was a potential pro prospect at age sixteen.

How did it work out? My daughter over reached because the school was a top P5 school in her major. She knew at fifteen what she wanted to be. She became something else professionally. She was a fourth outfielder for four years. She played a lot. She enjoyed the experience.

My son started having injury issues the summer after junior year of high school. He entered college injured and redshirted freshman year. He played injured the end of junior year of college, had surgery post season and needed another surgery just as senior season started.

After five years and two degrees he decided he didn’t need a medical red shirt to stay in college a sixth year. When healthy he started for two and a half seasons at a P5. At twenty-one after his redshirt soph season he was told he was likely to be drafted. His college coach got the word it was likely to be rounds 27-32. Given these rounds don’t exist anymore it’s not hard to understand why my son chose to stay in school, play two more years (played one) and get his MBA. When the word got out he planned to stay in school he wasn’t drafted.

His red shirt senior year he infrequently attended practice and sat in the dugout keeping score at home games. He said after baseball being such a commitment since he was age ten being a regular student wasn’t all that bad.

Sitting around one day with both kids as adults I asked if they thought I pushed them towards baseball/softball. They were both multi sport high school athletes. They both started laughing and blurted out “Yes.” They both liked playing basketball more. To be honest I liked coaching basketball games (coached kiddie rec through 14u travel) more than baseball. It was a high speed chess match. My son said had he been 6’6” instead if 6’2” he would have focused on basketball.

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