Fake recruit

I once signed up my dog as a potential recruit for UNC to prove to a parent an invite to a camp after filling out a profile doesn’t mean you’re being recruited. My dog got invited to the camp. 

Fake players have made Parade All American teams in the last. 

True story. Over 10 years ago, I used to get credit card applications for my dog.  If he could get his hands on one now, Amazon would be shipping treats and bones all day.

RJM posted:

I once signed up my dog as a potential recruit for UNC to prove to a parent an invite to a camp after filling out thenfor, doesn’t mean you’re being recruited. My dog got invited to the camp. 

Fake players have made Parade All American teams in

More academic money that athletic. Study up!

Go44dad posted:

RJM posted:

I once signed up my dog as a potential recruit for UNC to prove to a parent an invite to a camp after filling out thenfor, doesn’t mean you’re being recruited. My dog got invited to the camp. 

Fake players have made Parade All American teams in

More academic money that athletic. Study up!

Why would I need to study up? I know this. Both kids have grad degrees. Both kids received twice as much academic as athletic money. If an athlete wants both they better do real well in the classroom. 

RJM posted:

Go44dad posted:

RJM posted:

I once signed up my dog as a potential recruit for UNC to prove to a parent an invite to a camp after filling out thenfor, doesn’t mean you’re being recruited. My dog got invited to the camp. 

Fake players have made Parade All American teams in

More academic money that athletic. Study up!

Why would I need to study up? I know this. Both kids have grad degrees. Both kids received twice as much academic as athletic money. If an athlete wants both they better do real well in the classroom. 

I think he means your dog.

I think he was talking to his dog and hoped that his dog would let your dog know, through Weimaraner wireless. But I could be wrong. 

Beat me! Go’s dog is clearly going to be studying wildlife sustainability. 

Pretty sure PG will bump a player to “Top 1000” if they are a D1 commit of any sort, Top 500 if they are going to a P5 program. They have to use that approach because they obviously don’t get eyes on all these kids.

2022OFDad posted:

Pretty sure PG will bump a player to “Top 1000” if they are a D1 commit of any sort, Top 500 if they are going to a P5 program. They have to use that approach because they obviously don’t get eyes on all these kids.

Simply not true.

Please don’t use “pretty sure” as a synonym for “I’m guessing with a complete absence of information or evidence.”

Between its showcases, tournaments, and other scouting, PG sees nearly all relevant players and sees the most relevant players multiple times over multiple years. 

It gets wearying year after year to see the same tired and unwarranted whines about PG from people who think its ratings and rankings can be bought or are handed out based on random factors or favoritism. 

These allegations have been amply refuted many times on this site. Please consult the archives if you’re curious. 

Swampboy posted:

2022OFDad posted:

Pretty sure PG will bump a player to “Top 1000” if they are a D1 commit of any sort, Top 500 if they are going to a P5 program. They have to use that approach because they obviously don’t get eyes on all these kids.

Simply not true.

Please don’t use “pretty sure” as a synonym for “I’m guessing with a complete absence of information or evidence.”

Between its showcases, tournaments, and other scouting, PG sees nearly all relevant players and sees the most relevant players multiple times over multiple years. 

It gets wearying year after year to see the same tired and unwarranted whines about PG from people who think it’s ratings and rankings can be bought or are handed out based on random factors or favoritism. 

These allegations have been amply refuted many times on this site. Please consult the archives if you’re curious. 

So you are telling me that a kid who only plays High School and American Legion in the middle of nowhere gets seen by PG? 

d-mac posted:

Swampboy posted:

2022OFDad posted:

Pretty sure PG will bump a player to “Top 1000” if they are a D1 commit of any sort, Top 500 if they are going to a P5 program. They have to use that approach because they obviously don’t get eyes on all these kids.

Simply not true.

Please don’t use “pretty sure” as a synonym for “I’m guessing with a complete absence of information or evidence.”

Between its showcases, tournaments, and other scouting, PG sees nearly all relevant players and sees the most relevant players multiple times over multiple years. 

It gets wearying year after year to see the same tired and unwarranted whines about PG from people who think it’s ratings and rankings can be bought or are handed out based on random factors or favoritism. 

These allegations have been amply refuted many times on this site. Please consult the archives if you’re curious. 

So you are telling me that a kid who only plays High School and American Legion in the middle of nowhere gets seen by PG? 

That's not what he's saying.

He was replying to the earlier, unfounded speculation that PG would assign a rating just because a player had committed to a P5 program.

Swampboy refers to "nearly all" players; acknowledging that a few might slip through the cracks. If a player decides to play only high school and Legion, he runs the risk of not being seen and rated by PG; regardless of how good he might be.

It is annoying when people say, “So you’re telling me . . .” before launching off on a conjecture bearing no resemblance to anything I said.

No, I wasn’t telling you that. But since you brought it up . . .  

A player who plays only high school and legion ball “in the middle of nowhere” is by definition not a relevant player because he is not playing against competition that will reveal and improve his skills. Go to the legion baseball website and read the purpose of the program. It’s all about community and character. Developing players for higher competition is simply not part of its purpose. 

And since you mentioned this particular hypothetical, you might be interested to know that PG was founded to give kids in the middle of nowhere (specifically Iowa) a chance to face better competition and get scouted. They do identify a lot of talented players  in the middle of nowhere and help them find competitive venues appropriate for their talent. 

2022OFDad posted:

Pretty sure PG will bump a player to “Top 1000” if they are a D1 commit of any sort, Top 500 if they are going to a P5 program. They have to use that approach because they obviously don’t get eyes on all these kids.

2020ofdad- I don’t see anything negatvie about PG in your post.  Swamp boy, “pretty sure” is synomous with “I am guessing.”  As an educated guess, scouting and ranking services such as PG have multiple sources of information they can draw from.  It’s a small community.  If a kid gets committed to a P5 without being seen by PG, by default wouldn’t that put the player in the top 500?  Again, I am just guessing...

real green posted:

2022OFDad posted:

Pretty sure PG will bump a player to “Top 1000” if they are a D1 commit of any sort, Top 500 if they are going to a P5 program. They have to use that approach because they obviously don’t get eyes on all these kids.

2020ofdad- I don’t see anything negatvie about PG in your post.  Swamp boy, “pretty sure” is synomous with “I am guessing.”  As an educated guess, scouting and ranking services such as PG have multiple sources of information they can draw from.  It’s a small community.  If a kid gets committed to a P5 without being seen by PG, by default wouldn’t that put the player in the top 500?  Again, I am just guessing...

Plenty of P5 commits not in the top 500.

i have seen multiple examples of players being ranked by PG only after they commit, especially in the northeast where i have experience. I am not saying that the kids don't deserve the rankings... frankly, i think they do.  But it does happen.  and yes, not all in the top 500.  

real green posted:

2022OFDad posted:

Pretty sure PG will bump a player to “Top 1000” if they are a D1 commit of any sort, Top 500 if they are going to a P5 program. They have to use that approach because they obviously don’t get eyes on all these kids.

Swamp boy, “pretty sure” is synomous with “I am guessing.”  

They mean almost entirely opposite things. 

Swampboy posted:

2022OFDad posted:

Pretty sure PG will bump a player to “Top 1000” if they are a D1 commit of any sort, Top 500 if they are going to a P5 program. They have to use that approach because they obviously don’t get eyes on all these kids.

Simply not true.

Please don’t use “pretty sure” as a synonym for “I’m guessing with a complete absence of information or evidence.”

Between its showcases, tournaments, and other scouting, PG sees nearly all relevant players and sees the most relevant players multiple times over multiple years. 

It gets wearying year after year to see the same tired and unwarranted whines about PG from people who think its ratings and rankings can be bought or are handed out based on random factors or favoritism. 

These allegations have been amply refuted many times on this site. Please consult the archives if you’re curious. 

So you are saying that they definitively don’t do it? You have knowledge of this? I’m not saying that it is wrong, if they do it (which I really believe they do), because it is a pretty good assumption of where those players stand in the spectrum. It’s not an allegation...it’s an opinion and I stand by it. Stop soap boxing for PG, please. 

real green posted:

2022OFDad posted:

Pretty sure PG will bump a player to “Top 1000” if they are a D1 commit of any sort, Top 500 if they are going to a P5 program. They have to use that approach because they obviously don’t get eyes on all these kids.

2020ofdad- I don’t see anything negatvie about PG in your post.  Swamp boy, “pretty sure” is synomous with “I am guessing.”  As an educated guess, scouting and ranking services such as PG have multiple sources of information they can draw from.  It’s a small community.  If a kid gets committed to a P5 without being seen by PG, by default wouldn’t that put the player in the top 500?  Again, I am just guessing...

Thanks, the PG propaganda machine is alive and well on HSBBW IT APPEARS

And for what it’s worth, I’LL agree that they do rank uncommitted players that they have seen. So like I said, I’m not saying they are doing anything wrong or nefarious, they are basically projecting based on available data, which IS synonomous with scouting.

there are certainly players in the PG database that are ranked who are seen very few times, some never. So how do they get that ranking? Do I think PG has feelers out for every “good but not great” baseball player who commits to a low D1? Not a chance. That would be an incredible waste of resources. They have to make assumptions, it’s called scouting. It doesn’t really matter if they are accurate at that level, what really matters is the top 300-400 guys who are draft prospects. Other than that, the rankings are basically a marketing tool, and an effective one.