I am interested to hear thoughts on Erik Bakich and how long you think it will take for him to make the Terps a top 5 ACC team? Is it doable with UVA taking most of the best mid-Atlantic players?
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In a league with Florida State, Miami, Geogia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia, being top 5 in the ACC consistently is going to be extremely difficult. I do think Bakich is the right guy there, and I think they can be very competitive nationally even if they don't crack the top 5 in the ACC on a regular basis. I think they'll be able to pry some top recruits away from UVA and other top schools (after all, recruiting is supposed to be the strong suit of Bakich). Nobody thought that what O'Connor has done at UVA was possible, and I really doubt that Bakich has set any artifical limits on what is possible at College Park.
There will always be one of the top 5-6 teams who'll stumble in any given year. No one could question how strong a program Clemson has, but they fell down the standings in 2008; N.C. State was off the mark in 2009. That kind of thing offers an opportunity for someone to bubble up from time to time.
But at this point, pretty much everyone has sworn themselves to reach the top, so being one who is there consistently is going to be a tough slog.
I'm thinking Duke and BC will have a tough time replicating last year, what with all they lost off last year's teams. But Wake and VT will be pushing to take their spots in the tourney, so it's not like Maryland will have clear sailing. You have relatively new coaches at VT and Duke, and brand spanking new coaches at both MD and Wake, so you have a group of guys all trying to earn their keep. Not everyone will get where they want to be, but then, finding out which will and which won't is where the fun lies!
A realistic goal is to play strong out of conference and make the ACC tourney, then hope you get hot there at the right time to make some noise and hopefully make the NCAA's. Long term, you'll have to see how the teams fare in their recruiting before you can say how they'll stack up. But it's hard to see catching up with Miami, UVA, UNC, GT, Clemson or FSU in recruiting any time soon. All those programs have a lot of institutional momentum.
But at this point, pretty much everyone has sworn themselves to reach the top, so being one who is there consistently is going to be a tough slog.
I'm thinking Duke and BC will have a tough time replicating last year, what with all they lost off last year's teams. But Wake and VT will be pushing to take their spots in the tourney, so it's not like Maryland will have clear sailing. You have relatively new coaches at VT and Duke, and brand spanking new coaches at both MD and Wake, so you have a group of guys all trying to earn their keep. Not everyone will get where they want to be, but then, finding out which will and which won't is where the fun lies!
A realistic goal is to play strong out of conference and make the ACC tourney, then hope you get hot there at the right time to make some noise and hopefully make the NCAA's. Long term, you'll have to see how the teams fare in their recruiting before you can say how they'll stack up. But it's hard to see catching up with Miami, UVA, UNC, GT, Clemson or FSU in recruiting any time soon. All those programs have a lot of institutional momentum.
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Great question.
Many hope it be sooner than later.
And should it not be, many old timers hope it does not take nine years before the AD does something about it.
Go Terps, Sweep Wake
Great question.
Many hope it be sooner than later.
And should it not be, many old timers hope it does not take nine years before the AD does something about it.
Go Terps, Sweep Wake
That bottom half could churn out just about in any order, depending on who performs on the field, who stays healthy, etc.
I hope it is very soon. I would love to see the Maryland kids stay at UMd instead of going to other ACC schools. A competitive team made up of mostly Maryland kids would be something that all of us could get behind. A rising tide floats all boats. It would be great for baseball throughout maryland.
deldad - this is a great post. Finally, the possibility of keeping the best MD players in MD. The success generated by this first step could then start to pull VA and NC kids in 3-4 yrs. Certainly a long shot but I think Bakich can pull it off.
From the outside, it appears that all the right intial steps are being taken. We will see how it translates onto the playing field. My guess is that there will be a lot more people in the stands watching (and, watching in general) the Terps this year.
So far, Coach Bakich looks like the right medicine for the program in College Park.
So far, Coach Bakich looks like the right medicine for the program in College Park.
Patience in all such things.
Our son is one of the 2010 Maryland signees. We were extemely impressed with Coach Bakich and Coach Burton. When he talked to us about his vision for Maryland baseball he was very frank.
He told us it would take some time to turn the program around. Our son's class would be the start of this process with no promises of the CWS but a shot at Regionals before he graduated.
He told us they would take their lumps at first, with many of the new recruits being thrown into the fire in their first year. No promises of playing time, no you are the man speeches, just do you want to be part of building a team of players who work their a-- off, are hard nose and represent the school in an appropriate manner.
He said he had no idea what he had for players going into his first year and that he needs to work on pitching for the future.
He said his plan was to start with a grueling out of conference schedule in 2011 to get the team ready for the ACC wars, from what I read Maryland will start the 2011 year off with three games in Austin against the Longhorns - I'd say thats a good start.
I have read everything I can about Coach Bakich, his assistants and Maryland baseball. I haven't read anything that doesn't line up with what we were told in July. The guy has a plan and I think he is going to kill himself trying to execute it.
I have read a lot about Terps baseball and there seems to be a lot of negativity surrounding the program. I also sense from some a "we have heard that before" attitude. I for one believe Coach Bakich is a man of his word and I think my son will become not only a better player under him but more importantly a better person.
Its going to take time but I am confident he is going to restore some credibilty to U Maryland baseball.
He told us it would take some time to turn the program around. Our son's class would be the start of this process with no promises of the CWS but a shot at Regionals before he graduated.
He told us they would take their lumps at first, with many of the new recruits being thrown into the fire in their first year. No promises of playing time, no you are the man speeches, just do you want to be part of building a team of players who work their a-- off, are hard nose and represent the school in an appropriate manner.
He said he had no idea what he had for players going into his first year and that he needs to work on pitching for the future.
He said his plan was to start with a grueling out of conference schedule in 2011 to get the team ready for the ACC wars, from what I read Maryland will start the 2011 year off with three games in Austin against the Longhorns - I'd say thats a good start.
I have read everything I can about Coach Bakich, his assistants and Maryland baseball. I haven't read anything that doesn't line up with what we were told in July. The guy has a plan and I think he is going to kill himself trying to execute it.
I have read a lot about Terps baseball and there seems to be a lot of negativity surrounding the program. I also sense from some a "we have heard that before" attitude. I for one believe Coach Bakich is a man of his word and I think my son will become not only a better player under him but more importantly a better person.
Its going to take time but I am confident he is going to restore some credibilty to U Maryland baseball.
Stadium is a key component!
Maryland has a long way to go. The top programs have great facilities and Maryland will need a new venue to really compete.
UVa built their new stadium right before O'Connor arrived. A great help with recruiting and they continue to improve the facility.
NC State built a new stadium a few years ago.
Wake now has the old minor league park, is in the process of remodeling and getting on par with the ACC.
Duke is looking at playing games at the Durham Bulls park...great for recruiting.
Maryland, VT, Duke and BC have the four worst facilities in the ACC. A new stadium would help in getting Maryland into that top tier.
Maryland has a long way to go. The top programs have great facilities and Maryland will need a new venue to really compete.
UVa built their new stadium right before O'Connor arrived. A great help with recruiting and they continue to improve the facility.
NC State built a new stadium a few years ago.
Wake now has the old minor league park, is in the process of remodeling and getting on par with the ACC.
Duke is looking at playing games at the Durham Bulls park...great for recruiting.
Maryland, VT, Duke and BC have the four worst facilities in the ACC. A new stadium would help in getting Maryland into that top tier.
is it the stadium itself, or the practice facilities around the stadium. I haven't been to all the ACC schools, but it seems to me that Maryland's stadium is one of few more centrally located within the campus providing easier access to students. Maybe students aren't the driver in fan turnout, it's all drive up adults or families from nearby, so the central campus location doesn't matter, as long as there is parking.
Would agree that facilities need some work. Locker room looks like mine in HS in 1969. Coach Bakich said they will be re-doing with wooden lockers etc very soon.
I think the location of the field is great but the field needs work and its a bit too small. They are building a 6,000 sq ft indoor hitting facility next to the field.
We went on visit to BC and Maryland's field is more of a baseball field than BC, they wouldn't even show us the locker room at BC
I think the location of the field is great but the field needs work and its a bit too small. They are building a 6,000 sq ft indoor hitting facility next to the field.
We went on visit to BC and Maryland's field is more of a baseball field than BC, they wouldn't even show us the locker room at BC
I hope Maryland's new staff get this program headed into the right direction. As far as facilities is concerned, I was down at UVA three weeks ago and what they are doing down there is amazing. Under their stadium is currently under construction. They fund raised four million dollars for this renovation. They will now have visitors and umpires locker rooms. UVA's locker room is being expanded with a training room and a video room. They are expanding their indoor hitting facility and they will have their own 3,000 sq ft. weight room.
The next phase of the project will add 1,000 seats on the first base side. They needed to improve these facilities if they ever want to host a "super" regional!
The next phase of the project will add 1,000 seats on the first base side. They needed to improve these facilities if they ever want to host a "super" regional!
Bakich has been in place six months. He and his staff have made great strides. Everything suggests he knows exactly how tough the ACC competition will be and is prepared to have the Terp program go through a few 'growing pains' as it develops.
Things appear to be very much on the right track. All the naysayers might want to give the new staff a little time. Everyone is very anxious to be sure....but continuing to focus continually on a new stadium is not the right focus at this time.
Let's get a few wins, get some positive karma going and my guess is a new stadium (or upgrade) will happen a lot sooner than many think.
Things appear to be very much on the right track. All the naysayers might want to give the new staff a little time. Everyone is very anxious to be sure....but continuing to focus continually on a new stadium is not the right focus at this time.
Let's get a few wins, get some positive karma going and my guess is a new stadium (or upgrade) will happen a lot sooner than many think.
I have to echo everything that nhmonty wrote. My son is currently being recruited by several ACC schools including Maryland and his interaction with Coaches Bakich and Burton has been exceptional. These are the type of guys who I would have loved to play for in college. I know it will be an uphill battle and the facilities are a throwback to a bad high school 30 yrs ago, but if anyone can pull it off it's Coach Bakich and the staff he has assembled. He has a great energy and enthusiasm for the program and really believes it will be successful. While they are likely going to struggle in 2010 and maybe some in 2011, the 2012 season and beyond should be very interesting!
quote:Originally posted by baseballguy:
Everything suggests he knows exactly how tough the ACC competition will be and is prepared to have the Terp program go through a few 'growing pains' as it develops.
Is/was there really ever a question as to whether Bakich could get it done recruiting and on the field because of the tough ACC? I have seen this written or implied a couple times, and I don't get it. The SEC is right there with the ACC in terms of baseball strength and passion. Of course, he's never been a head coach, but he certainly gets credit for a lot of what Vandy has been able to build at a more expensive school with tougher admissions.
He has recruited nationally...just look at some of their premier players recently:
Pedro Alvarez (NYC)
Casey Weathers (California)
Jeremy Sowers (Kentucky)
David Price (Tennessee)
Sonny Gray (Tennessee)
Ryan Flaherty (Maine)
Jack Armstrong (Florida)
Who knows exactly which coach should get credit for all these guys, but he was the recruiting coordinator. All I'm saying is I don't get the questions about 1) recruiting ability and 2)is he prepared for the ACC.
quote:Originally posted by Emanski's Heroes:
just look at some of their premier players recently:
Pedro Alvarez (NYC)
Casey Weathers (California)
Jeremy Sowers (Kentucky)
David Price (Tennessee)
Sonny Gray (Tennessee)
Ryan Flaherty (Maine)
Jack Armstrong (Florida)
Interesting List. Too bad the errors within it, takes something away.
what are the errors?
Hi guys just popping in here from Ca. I was crusing around and saw the UMD pop up so I thought I would check out the Maryland forum. I posted this elsewhere, but UMD has contacted my son (2011), which surprised me...I think one of you mentioned the Pepperdine connection, but they seem like they are casting a bigger net out on the West Coast to recruit players FWIW.
I would think there would have to be some sort of hook to attract some (top) West Coast players, not sure what that would be, but thinking about it at least for me (Dad) it would have to be academics, maybe $$, and for son I guess it would have to be facilities and playing in the ACC, baseball development. He looked at their schedule and thought it would be a fun division to play in.
Certainly to compete in the ACC they would have to be getting some of the better players, no mater where they recruit from. Obviously as deldad pointed out keeping the home grown ones would be a first priority. If they could figure out a way to attract a few more from around the country they could raise up the level of the program.
I am not sure what profile of kid they would be looking for? Maybe a few JC transfers might be the ticket, don't know.
My thoughts from a West Coast dad. Best of luck to you all this season.
I would think there would have to be some sort of hook to attract some (top) West Coast players, not sure what that would be, but thinking about it at least for me (Dad) it would have to be academics, maybe $$, and for son I guess it would have to be facilities and playing in the ACC, baseball development. He looked at their schedule and thought it would be a fun division to play in.
Certainly to compete in the ACC they would have to be getting some of the better players, no mater where they recruit from. Obviously as deldad pointed out keeping the home grown ones would be a first priority. If they could figure out a way to attract a few more from around the country they could raise up the level of the program.
I am not sure what profile of kid they would be looking for? Maybe a few JC transfers might be the ticket, don't know.
My thoughts from a West Coast dad. Best of luck to you all this season.
quote:Originally posted by Emanski's Heroes:quote:Originally posted by baseballguy:
Everything suggests he knows exactly how tough the ACC competition will be and is prepared to have the Terp program go through a few 'growing pains' as it develops.
Is/was there really ever a question as to whether Bakich could get it done recruiting and on the field because of the tough ACC? I have seen this written or implied a couple times, and I don't get it. The SEC is right there with the ACC in terms of baseball strength and passion. Of course, he's never been a head coach, but he certainly gets credit for a lot of what Vandy has been able to build at a more expensive school with tougher admissions.
He has recruited nationally...just look at some of their premier players recently:
Pedro Alvarez (NYC)
Casey Weathers (California)
Jeremy Sowers (Kentucky)
David Price (Tennessee)
Sonny Gray (Tennessee)
Ryan Flaherty (Maine)
Jack Armstrong (Florida)
Who knows exactly which coach should get credit for all these guys, but he was the recruiting coordinator. All I'm saying is I don't get the questions about 1) recruiting ability and 2)is he prepared for the ACC.
I imagine Coach Bakich had something to do with the recruitment of these players, but truth be told...many of them played for the Bayside Yankees (NY) summer program...whose head coach has a tremendous relationship with the Vandy head coach. Let's just not fall into the trap of saying the new UofM coach could recruit Musial and DiMaggio out of the grave.
I don't know the coach personally but it seems to me that we should let him do his thing and wait and see. I think hiring Bernie Walter was the best thing MD has done in a long time. It may not be the case but it sure seems like they're making a genuine effort to upgrade the program. I applaud the effort so far.
Word on the street is that Coach Bakich has made a significant impact at Maryland in terms of increased workouts/practice and teaching --- and he has begun to get some Maryland kids onboard. Again, the program needs to upgrade their facilities. During the recruitment process, the impression upon the kid is first his ability to relate to the coach/pitching coach (if a pitcher) and secondly the facilities. Having been on "official visits" to NC, UVA, Stanford, Texas and Florida, I can honestly convey that Maryland is far below the line. The seating is miserable and the locker rooms and offices are second rate at best.
Hopefully the University will dedicated funds like they did for their football program. If not, recruitment will be more difficult for two reasons, Maryland is a northern ACC school and their facilities are a joke. Highly recruited kids favor playing in warm climate which helps the ACC schools located further south.
Hopefully the University will dedicated funds like they did for their football program. If not, recruitment will be more difficult for two reasons, Maryland is a northern ACC school and their facilities are a joke. Highly recruited kids favor playing in warm climate which helps the ACC schools located further south.
trepfan
As a consultant, as you list yourself in your profile, could you please define your "official visits"--- I thought that official visits were for recruits !
As a consultant, as you list yourself in your profile, could you please define your "official visits"--- I thought that official visits were for recruits !
More naysaying.
This coaching staff hasn't coached it's first games yet. Let's stop finding reasons (facilities) why the Terps won't be successful and let's support them as they improve, which I believe they will do.
By the way, I don't totally agree with the idea that the UMD facilities are the reason they have not won. There are likely many other reasons for the Terps lack of success. Sounds like the coaching staff is going about fixing those - and doing it pretty quickly.
I, for one, am pretty impressed so far. I look forward to a good first year for the Terp re-build.
This coaching staff hasn't coached it's first games yet. Let's stop finding reasons (facilities) why the Terps won't be successful and let's support them as they improve, which I believe they will do.
By the way, I don't totally agree with the idea that the UMD facilities are the reason they have not won. There are likely many other reasons for the Terps lack of success. Sounds like the coaching staff is going about fixing those - and doing it pretty quickly.
I, for one, am pretty impressed so far. I look forward to a good first year for the Terp re-build.
Go Terps.
(I do fine in those miserable seats). This is going to be fun.
(I do fine in those miserable seats). This is going to be fun.
Do teams really lose games because of the facilities? At Any level?
Enough already!
Can we just let this program get started with it's re-birth?
Can we just let this program get started with it's re-birth?
The reason they bring up the facilities , weather etc is because they are discussing why Maryland is where they are and what they need to do to get where they want to be. It is true that some kids could careless about the stadium , weather etc. But it is a fact that many do indeed look at the facilities and when given an opportunity to play in the same conference at a school with much better facilities that factors into it.
When kids go on visits and see what others have in relation to what another school has it does matter to some kids. So upgrading the facilites will assist them in their recruiting. Your not going to have a problem getting the home town kids that have always wanted to play at Maryland. But if you want to compete in the ACC and be a factor in that league you are going to have to bring in kids that also have the option of going to other schools in the ACC. Upgrading the facilites is one of the quickest ways to assist you in this endeavor. It sends the right message to the guys you are recruiting.
When players view you as second rate ie facilities then you are really behind the 8 ball from the get go. If your serious about turning it around then take the steps needed to do so. And upgrading facilities to at least a standard of average in the league is a must imo.
When kids go on visits and see what others have in relation to what another school has it does matter to some kids. So upgrading the facilites will assist them in their recruiting. Your not going to have a problem getting the home town kids that have always wanted to play at Maryland. But if you want to compete in the ACC and be a factor in that league you are going to have to bring in kids that also have the option of going to other schools in the ACC. Upgrading the facilites is one of the quickest ways to assist you in this endeavor. It sends the right message to the guys you are recruiting.
When players view you as second rate ie facilities then you are really behind the 8 ball from the get go. If your serious about turning it around then take the steps needed to do so. And upgrading facilities to at least a standard of average in the league is a must imo.
We could say that BC has a similar problem but regardless the baseball is on the rise there---young and agrressive coaches can make a huge difference
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
We could say that BC has a similar problem but regardless the baseball is on the rise there---young and agrressive coaches can make a huge difference
"On the rise" -- that is relative. When you have a top recruit -- a kid that is in the top fifty in the country -- they have the flexibility of first finding a compatable coach, second looking at the facilities and third attempting to go as far south as possible. If Maryland is going to rise in the ACC, they have to compete against NC, Clemson, Flordia, Georgia Tech, UVA etc. If you have ever had the opportunity to visit these schools you would realize that the University of Maryland's baseball facilities do not even compare with some high schools in NC, Flordia and California. I had the opportunity to visit these schools when I accompanied my son ---- on both "official" and unofficial visits. -----
I think this link below will defintely help them get started in upgrades of certain areas.
A major 7 figure commitment!
Smith Family Commits Major Gift to Athletics
A major 7 figure commitment!
Smith Family Commits Major Gift to Athletics
trepfan
is your name misspelled intentionally or is that sarcasm
is your name misspelled intentionally or is that sarcasm
Trep is a reference to the nickname of his son's high school baseball team, not a rip on "Terps". So don't be too quick to take offense, none has been given.
midlo
who said I took offense/ it was a simple question
who said I took offense/ it was a simple question
What are the Treps, I mean Terps going to do this year? The roster looks a little "light". There are only 20 or so guys listed. Did the new coach sign any players of note for this year?
What is Trep a nickname for?
What is Trep a nickname for?
If a prospect's main concern in signing with a school with the best locker room and the greenest field etc than Maryland is not for them.
Having talked with Coach Bakich on a few occasions my best guess is these aren't the type of players he is building his program with. He seems to me to be more a blue collar guy who wants guys who will go to war with him and he understand games aren't won in a pretty locker room.
Yeah better facilities are a "nice to have" but not a "must have" to become a winner.
I bet there are tons of former college players (all sports/all genders) who talk about their former coaches and how they had a positivie/permanent impact on their lives after their playing days are over. I bet they far outnumber those who talk about the locker room they dressed in or the field they played on when they were in college?
Our son made "his choice" to play at Maryland and for Coach Bakich and his staff and not once did I hear him discuss the current state of the facilities. After he made his decision I asked him what made him choose Maryland and he said I want to play for these coaches - I want to be part of the turnaround -it just feels right.
Let's give these guys a chance, its going to take some time but if anybody can turn this ship around I think this staff can.
Having talked with Coach Bakich on a few occasions my best guess is these aren't the type of players he is building his program with. He seems to me to be more a blue collar guy who wants guys who will go to war with him and he understand games aren't won in a pretty locker room.
Yeah better facilities are a "nice to have" but not a "must have" to become a winner.
I bet there are tons of former college players (all sports/all genders) who talk about their former coaches and how they had a positivie/permanent impact on their lives after their playing days are over. I bet they far outnumber those who talk about the locker room they dressed in or the field they played on when they were in college?
Our son made "his choice" to play at Maryland and for Coach Bakich and his staff and not once did I hear him discuss the current state of the facilities. After he made his decision I asked him what made him choose Maryland and he said I want to play for these coaches - I want to be part of the turnaround -it just feels right.
Let's give these guys a chance, its going to take some time but if anybody can turn this ship around I think this staff can.
Good luck to your son nhmonty. I hope Coach turns it around and your son has a great experience.
Thank you Coach May for your well wishes.
Our son has his work cut out for him to earn a chance to play but I know he is looking forward to the challenge.
I really believe he will become a better person being exposed to Coach Bakich and his staff. Forget the baseball part; if their passion for what they do rubs off on him and is applied in his life then his time at Maryland will be a success.
Our son has his work cut out for him to earn a chance to play but I know he is looking forward to the challenge.
I really believe he will become a better person being exposed to Coach Bakich and his staff. Forget the baseball part; if their passion for what they do rubs off on him and is applied in his life then his time at Maryland will be a success.
I agree with the need for new/upgraded facilities. And, yes, I've been to other top ACC facilities, so I think I've got a pretty good handle on the requirements to be considered among the elite in the conference. Coach May....you are right. They will need much better facilities to get the recruits who have their pick of ACC/SEC schools. I understand that.
All I have been saying is that this new coaching staff has yet to coach a game ... and, already the program seems much improved. Let them play hard, win some games that they are not supposed to, and turn a few heads - in season # 1.
Coach Bakich and staff have done a great PR job to this point. They have also gotten money for their program, as said above. They now need to go put a good product out on the field, which I believe will happen.
Facility upgrades will come, no doubt. For now however, I am more interested in seeing the 'on the field' product. If the product is good (and this doesn't mean winning the ACC)...the rest will follow.
But, for now, to focus so much on facilities to me is not a good use of time or energy. I would rather see the program get better, with facility improvements coming along as well as the program improves. I think there's a lot of room to improve the program overall, while the facility upgrade is being worked on.
All I have been saying is that this new coaching staff has yet to coach a game ... and, already the program seems much improved. Let them play hard, win some games that they are not supposed to, and turn a few heads - in season # 1.
Coach Bakich and staff have done a great PR job to this point. They have also gotten money for their program, as said above. They now need to go put a good product out on the field, which I believe will happen.
Facility upgrades will come, no doubt. For now however, I am more interested in seeing the 'on the field' product. If the product is good (and this doesn't mean winning the ACC)...the rest will follow.
But, for now, to focus so much on facilities to me is not a good use of time or energy. I would rather see the program get better, with facility improvements coming along as well as the program improves. I think there's a lot of room to improve the program overall, while the facility upgrade is being worked on.
quote:Originally posted by baseballguy:
I agree with the need for new/upgraded facilities. And, yes, I've been to other top ACC facilities, so I think I've got a pretty good handle on the requirements to be considered among the elite in the conference. Coach May....you are right. They will need much better facilities to get the recruits who have their pick of ACC/SEC schools. I understand that.
All I have been saying is that this new coaching staff has yet to coach a game ... and, already the program seems much improved. Let them play hard, win some games that they are not supposed to, and turn a few heads - in season # 1.
Coach Bakich and staff have done a great PR job to this point. They have also gotten money for their program, as said above. They now need to go put a good product out on the field, which I believe will happen.
Facility upgrades will come, no doubt. For now however, I am more interested in seeing the 'on the field' product. If the product is good (and this doesn't mean winning the ACC)...the rest will follow.
But, for now, to focus so much on facilities to me is not a good use of time or energy. I would rather see the program get better, with facility improvements coming along as well as the program improves. I think there's a lot of room to improve the program overall, while the facility upgrade is being worked on.
Cart before the horse....Maryland is not going to attract players nationally if they do not improve their facilities. Sure there will be players from the State of Maryland that will consider the University but........if you scan through the rosters of the ACC teams you will note that many of their players are from out of state.......I know of several recent Maryland High School players that have gone elsewhere because of the third rate facilities at Maryland. When your introductory meeting with the coach is in a trailer parked behind right field -- it does not compare to the UVA, NC and the rest of the ACC teams.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
trepfan
is your name misspelled intentionally or is that sarcasm
I am a Maryland grad (twice) and only wish the best for the University. I would have wanted to send my kid to the University but.....besides Coach Farr, there was not much upside. In fact, we met the current Coach at Maryland when he was recruiting for Vanderblit. He is driven and will turn the program around .... I just hope the University supports his program financially ---
quote:
Originally posted by Trepfan:
I just hope the University supports his program financially ---
Trepfan, did you see the link I posted about the major contribution given to the program just last month? Whether the University supports them or not it seems that the Coach already has fans...fans with deep pockets!
quote:I know of several recent Maryland High School players that have gone elsewhere because of the third rate facilities at Maryland. When your introductory meeting with the coach is in a trailer parked behind right field -- it does not compare to the UVA, NC and the rest of the ACC teams.
Oh yes the trailer issue, very important for recruits to see the coach in a fine office. What a bunch of garbage.
Here it right from the Coach. The school asked Coach Bakich if they wanted to move into new offices in the Cole Center - response "No thanks, if we are going to spend money lets spend it on making the facilities better for the players." Sounds like a great leader to me who puts his troops before himself!
We met Coach Aoki (great guy) of BC in his beautiful office overlooking Alumni Field. On the ride home my kid never said "I want to go to BC because Coach Aoki has a great office."
I wouldn't think that players want to see the inside of that trailer. Probably means issues. The first time I talked with Coach Bakich, it was in those "miserable seats" at Shipley. I enjoyed every minute of it.
Trepfan,
Have you seen their recruiting class they have signed so far for 2010? Looks to me that Coach Bakich is recruiting nationally.Alot of those kids had the choice of going to other ACC and SEC and other major conference schools but chose Maryland.And unless you have talked to Coach Bakich and his staff you probably won't understand but he is actually using the lack of superb facilities to his advantage by selling the blue collar attitude to recruits and it is working.As NHMonty said he wants kids that will go to war with him-the ones that like to get dirty or run thru the wall for him and not the ones that are worried about the way they look.One look at who he has signed so far and I would say hes doing pretty good for not having great faclities.
Have you seen their recruiting class they have signed so far for 2010? Looks to me that Coach Bakich is recruiting nationally.Alot of those kids had the choice of going to other ACC and SEC and other major conference schools but chose Maryland.And unless you have talked to Coach Bakich and his staff you probably won't understand but he is actually using the lack of superb facilities to his advantage by selling the blue collar attitude to recruits and it is working.As NHMonty said he wants kids that will go to war with him-the ones that like to get dirty or run thru the wall for him and not the ones that are worried about the way they look.One look at who he has signed so far and I would say hes doing pretty good for not having great faclities.
Thats great warriordad. I hope he turns the program around. So you think the other programs in the ACC dont have any blue collar players on them? Dont have any players that like to get dirty as well? Dont have any guys that will run through a wall as well? So you think if a kid chooses Clemson instead of Maryland its because he is more worried about the way he looks?
If the facilities are a plus in this regard then save the money on the renovations and just leave things the way they are. Continue to get all the players that have these attributes and let the ones that only care about the way they look go to the other ACC schools.
You guys are totally missing treps point.
If the facilities are a plus in this regard then save the money on the renovations and just leave things the way they are. Continue to get all the players that have these attributes and let the ones that only care about the way they look go to the other ACC schools.
You guys are totally missing treps point.
Coach may,
I know its great-thats why I said it.I don't know what the other schools have and I don't pretend too-I'll leave that up to you.My point is Coach Bakich is doing the best with what he has.
Its funny you bring up Clemson and the way you look thing though.One of the first things they showed us on our visit was their uniforms and how they tailor fit each player.Doesn't mean a thing though!
I know its great-thats why I said it.I don't know what the other schools have and I don't pretend too-I'll leave that up to you.My point is Coach Bakich is doing the best with what he has.
Its funny you bring up Clemson and the way you look thing though.One of the first things they showed us on our visit was their uniforms and how they tailor fit each player.Doesn't mean a thing though!
I hope Coach Bakich gets it done at Maryland. There is no reason Maryland can not be a very competitive program in the ACC.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
Thats great warriordad. I hope he turns the program around. So you think the other programs in the ACC dont have any blue collar players on them? Dont have any players that like to get dirty as well? Dont have any guys that will run through a wall as well? So you think if a kid chooses Clemson instead of Maryland its because he is more worried about the way he looks?
If the facilities are a plus in this regard then save the money on the renovations and just leave things the way they are. Continue to get all the players that have these attributes and let the ones that only care about the way they look go to the other ACC schools.
You guys are totally missing treps point.
Coach May -- thanks -- they do not get the point. When you are talking about the top fifty kids in the nation -- AFLAC, Perfect Game etc. these kids are the ones that make a significant impact on a program. These kids are NOT predominately in Maryland. These kids do look at the entire picture when making a decision to attend a University. I am speaking from first hand knowledge --- Again, the decision centers around relationship/reputation of the coach/pitching coach, the facilities and three the location. The further south the better the ability of the University to attract TOP-RATED (top fifty) players. That is reality. We are not talking about kids that may be opting for smaller division one schools (i.e., Towson, James Madison etc.). No knock on these University........We are talking about kids that have the option of attending most of the top baseball programs in the Country. We (my son and I) met Coach Rupp and Farr in the trailer at Maryland and that meeting was compared with meetings at UVA, NC Stanford, etc. NO COMPARISON. And yes it is very much part of the decision -- I have met/spoken with most of the AFLAC kids and have received their feedback on why they decided on a specific University and again, it comes down to the coach, facilities and location.
The three things Trep mentioned are very important. You can add a fourth and its tradition.
Now there is nothing Maryland can do about location. But they can do something about the other three. Coach , facilities , tradition. It seems they have done a great job on getting the right coach in place. Now they have to work on the facilities. Then with some wins they can change the tradition or reputation if you will.
One thing is for sure you have to win the recruiting battle for your home town boys. If your losing you best home grown talent then you have to get someone else's best home grown talent to make up for the loss. The chances you can get someone else's best players when you can not keep your own is a stretch at best. If you look at the schools in the ACC that have proven they can win consistently in this conference you will find that they do it with mostly in state players. Then they are capable of going out of state and stealing enough good players to fill in the gaps.
Now there are programs in the conference that have to go out of state in order to be successful for a large part of their team. Wake , Duke , BC for example. Those reasons are obvious. And if they do not recruit very well out of state they are going to struggle big time. Maryland and the immediate surrounding areas has more than enough highly talented players to sustain that program and help them reach the level they are striving for. But they have to convince them that Maryland is the place for them.
That is one reason the facilities are critical. Its something that you can fix. It speaks to the seriousness of the University and the staff to their desire to build a winning program. Its very hard to convince a young man that you are serious about your program and desire to build a winning program when your facilities are second class.
So I am one person that hopes that this staff can turn this thing around. They can upgrade the facilities and win the recruiting wars at home so they can reach out and bring in other solid players to join them. You will never build a competitive team in the ACC unless you win your home turf in the recruiting game. It sounds like this program in on the right track.
You only need to look a few miles south of you and see what UVA has done and is doing. It was not very long ago they were way behind. Now there are alot of peoples favorite to not only get back to Omaha but bring home the title.
Now there is nothing Maryland can do about location. But they can do something about the other three. Coach , facilities , tradition. It seems they have done a great job on getting the right coach in place. Now they have to work on the facilities. Then with some wins they can change the tradition or reputation if you will.
One thing is for sure you have to win the recruiting battle for your home town boys. If your losing you best home grown talent then you have to get someone else's best home grown talent to make up for the loss. The chances you can get someone else's best players when you can not keep your own is a stretch at best. If you look at the schools in the ACC that have proven they can win consistently in this conference you will find that they do it with mostly in state players. Then they are capable of going out of state and stealing enough good players to fill in the gaps.
Now there are programs in the conference that have to go out of state in order to be successful for a large part of their team. Wake , Duke , BC for example. Those reasons are obvious. And if they do not recruit very well out of state they are going to struggle big time. Maryland and the immediate surrounding areas has more than enough highly talented players to sustain that program and help them reach the level they are striving for. But they have to convince them that Maryland is the place for them.
That is one reason the facilities are critical. Its something that you can fix. It speaks to the seriousness of the University and the staff to their desire to build a winning program. Its very hard to convince a young man that you are serious about your program and desire to build a winning program when your facilities are second class.
So I am one person that hopes that this staff can turn this thing around. They can upgrade the facilities and win the recruiting wars at home so they can reach out and bring in other solid players to join them. You will never build a competitive team in the ACC unless you win your home turf in the recruiting game. It sounds like this program in on the right track.
You only need to look a few miles south of you and see what UVA has done and is doing. It was not very long ago they were way behind. Now there are alot of peoples favorite to not only get back to Omaha but bring home the title.
Good friend who is college coach sent me breakdown of top 500 Ranked 2010 HS players by Perfect Game, sorted by college committment. Perfect Game is probably the best known ranking serivce of HS players.
BC 3; Clemson 6; Duke 5; Florida 9; FSU 7; Georgia Tech 15; Maryland 7; Miami 9; North Carolina 16; NC State 3; Virginia 6; Virgina Tech 2 and WF 3.
Doesn't look like the Maryland facilities hurt them to much this year.
Other notables Alabama 8; Arizona State 7; Arkansas 13; Auburn 8; Georgia 3; Kentucky 5; LSU 14; Oregon 10; Oregon State 8; Rice 6; San Diego (not State) 9;
South Carolina 8; Tenn 4; Texas 6 and Vandy 6
BC 3; Clemson 6; Duke 5; Florida 9; FSU 7; Georgia Tech 15; Maryland 7; Miami 9; North Carolina 16; NC State 3; Virginia 6; Virgina Tech 2 and WF 3.
Doesn't look like the Maryland facilities hurt them to much this year.
Other notables Alabama 8; Arizona State 7; Arkansas 13; Auburn 8; Georgia 3; Kentucky 5; LSU 14; Oregon 10; Oregon State 8; Rice 6; San Diego (not State) 9;
South Carolina 8; Tenn 4; Texas 6 and Vandy 6
If Maryland had the facilities that UVA has, would that number be different? I believe it might. Coach Bakich is doing a great job of getting great players with what he has to work with, but I believe that some other people on here are simply saying that with better facilities his job of recruiting top talent would be alot easier, as there would be even that much more to offer.
quote:Originally posted by orioles13:
If Maryland had the facilities that UVA has, would that number be different? I believe it might. Coach Bakich is doing a great job of getting great players with what he has to work with, but I believe that some other people on here are simply saying that with better facilities his job of recruiting top talent would be alot easier, as there would be even that much more to offer.
Yep like Hultzen/Silverstein (UVA), Routt (Miss State), Brady Clemson) etc.
quote:Hultzen/Silverstein (UVA
Trepfan your new name is Mr. Negative.
The players you mentioned where recruited in 2008!
If I am correct, Coach Bakich was at Vanderbilt and Coach Burton was a student assistant at Louisville.
I may be wrong but in 2008 neither of these men had the chance to recruit the players you mentioned for Maryland.
Trepfan.....Steve.....
Since you have sought my advise for several years during your talented son pre-teen years...either at my house, at the ball field, or on the telephone, I understand your point of view most of the times however don't you think it's time for you to turn the page and start fresh for 2010? Of course I continue to hope Scotty get's healthy and get more AB's and gets back on the bump.
Of course I will be rooting for the Terps on the front and back end during Conference Play late April 2010
Since you have sought my advise for several years during your talented son pre-teen years...either at my house, at the ball field, or on the telephone, I understand your point of view most of the times however don't you think it's time for you to turn the page and start fresh for 2010? Of course I continue to hope Scotty get's healthy and get more AB's and gets back on the bump.
Of course I will be rooting for the Terps on the front and back end during Conference Play late April 2010
quote:Originally posted by Bear:
Trepfan.....Steve.....
Since you have sought my advise for several years during your talented son pre-teen years...either at my house, at the ball field, or on the telephone, I understand your point of view most of the times however don't you think it's time for you to turn the page and start fresh for 2010? Of course I continue to hope Scotty get's healthy and get more AB's and gets back on the bump.
Of course I will be rooting for the Terps on the front and back end during Conference Play late April 2010
Hi Bear. Yes he saw James Andrews in September and is healthy -- 100%/ Also, Nick Howard from Saint Johns committed last week to UVA. See you at U of M.
Kory Britton 2011, P, 3B from Atholton HS committed to U of MD last week
quote:Yes he saw James Andrews in September and is healthy -- 100%/
Great news, Steve. Someone had told me otherwise. Such is the (un)reliability of the rumor mill. Glad to know the truth.
Sorry we won't see you guys this year, though given last year's games, maybe I shouldn't be sorry! Maybe at the tourney, if we can get there this time around!
Midlo Dad:
Thanks --- how are the new Wake Forest Coaches shaking out.
Thanks --- how are the new Wake Forest Coaches shaking out.
Let's put this back at ya.
The week before March 1, 2010, what spot on the pitching staff do you think your son will be?
After the season is complete 2010, what spot on the pitching staff do you think your son will be?
The week before March 1, 2010, what spot on the pitching staff do you think your son will be?
After the season is complete 2010, what spot on the pitching staff do you think your son will be?
quote:Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
Trep is a reference to the nickname of his son's high school baseball team, not a rip on "Terps". So don't be too quick to take offense, none has been given.
hmmm St. John's Cadets vs Trep? Silverstein's has been ripping Terps a new bu^^hole frequently. It been old for sometime.
Not believable.
also put the above back at Milo.
See below from the Georgia Tech website regarding Kevin Jacob - Parkville HS grad. Sure would be nice to find another one of these local guys for Eric Bakich and the Terps (6'6", mid-upper 90s!!). Who thinks Brad Markey (CMW) could be the next shorter version of Kevin Jaboc at Ga Tech? I heard from BF that he touched 92 in Tucson last week - the middle of January!! Seems like Coach Bakich may have arrived on the scene 6 months too late to get him as he committed to GT in the summer.
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2009 ACC Honor Roll
Right-handed pitcher with outstanding size and frame ... Has an unorthodox delivery which makes him very effective ... Possesses a very strong arm and has an excellent work ethic, both on and off the mound ... Has three pitches he throws for strikes, including a very good fastball ... One of the Jackets' top middle- and long-relievers but could see time as a starter in 2009.
Named 2009 Top Prospect in the Alaska League by Baseball America.
2009
Made 22 appearances on the year, five of which were midweek starts ... Started the third game of two weekend ACC series' ... Was third on the team in strikeouts (54) and tied for third in wins (5) ... Went 5-3 with a 4.69 ERA in 55.2 innings pitched ... Tossed 10 scoreless outings ... Finished the season allowing just one run of three of his last four outings ... inherited 13 runners on the season, none of which scored ... Worked a career-long 6.2 innings at Georgia Southern (2/25) to pick up the first win of his career ... Worked two innings in relief against Maryland (3/8), holding the Terps hitless while striking out two of the seven batters he faced ... Struck out a career-high seven batters in a career-long outing of eight innings to earn his second win of the season against Kennesaw State (3/11) ... Limited the Owls to just two runs on six hits ... Held Kennesaw State (3/18) to three hits while striking out three in five innings of work to earn his fourth win of the season a week later ... Worked 4.1 scoreless innings against Virginia Tech (3/22), allowing just two hits while striking out five to earn his fourth win of the season ... Struck out the only batter he faced in Tech's 11-10 loss to Virginia (4/11) to end the top of the ninth, and then stranded the bases loaded in the top of the ninth the following day to help preserve a 4-4 tie ... Struck out a career-high eight batters in five innings against Georgia State (4/15) to earn his fifth win of the season ... Struck out two in an inning of work against Georgia (5/12) ... Made two scoreless outings in the ACC Championships, including striking out two in 1.1 innings against Florida State (5/23) ... Pitched a scoreless inning of relief while striking out two in a 9-3 win over Georgia State in the opening game of the NCAA Atlanta Regional (5/29) ... Worked 4.2 innings of relief allowing just one run with four strikeouts in the regional final against Southern Miss. (6/1).
2008
Made 20 appearances on the season, all out of the bullpen ... Took part in three of the Yellow Jackets' five shutouts on the season ... Struck out 29 batters in 30 innings of work ... Twelve of his 20 appearances were scoreless outings ... Held Georgia Southern (2/27) to two hits while striking out four in his first collegiate appearance ... Struck out the side in a 1-2-3 inning against Rutgers (3/2) ... Tossed a scoreless eighth inning against Kennesaw State (3/18) and threw two shutout innings at Boston College (3/29) ... Made a scoreless relief appearance at Georgia Southern (4/16) and had a pair of scoreless outings vs. Wake Forest (4/25, 4/27) by facing the minimum while working an inning in relief in both contests ... Threw two shutout innings against Coastal Carolina (5/3) and another vs. Clemson (5/11) ... Worked 1.1 scoreless innings against Georgia (6/1) in the NCAA Athens Regional.
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2009 ACC Honor Roll
Right-handed pitcher with outstanding size and frame ... Has an unorthodox delivery which makes him very effective ... Possesses a very strong arm and has an excellent work ethic, both on and off the mound ... Has three pitches he throws for strikes, including a very good fastball ... One of the Jackets' top middle- and long-relievers but could see time as a starter in 2009.
Named 2009 Top Prospect in the Alaska League by Baseball America.
2009
Made 22 appearances on the year, five of which were midweek starts ... Started the third game of two weekend ACC series' ... Was third on the team in strikeouts (54) and tied for third in wins (5) ... Went 5-3 with a 4.69 ERA in 55.2 innings pitched ... Tossed 10 scoreless outings ... Finished the season allowing just one run of three of his last four outings ... inherited 13 runners on the season, none of which scored ... Worked a career-long 6.2 innings at Georgia Southern (2/25) to pick up the first win of his career ... Worked two innings in relief against Maryland (3/8), holding the Terps hitless while striking out two of the seven batters he faced ... Struck out a career-high seven batters in a career-long outing of eight innings to earn his second win of the season against Kennesaw State (3/11) ... Limited the Owls to just two runs on six hits ... Held Kennesaw State (3/18) to three hits while striking out three in five innings of work to earn his fourth win of the season a week later ... Worked 4.1 scoreless innings against Virginia Tech (3/22), allowing just two hits while striking out five to earn his fourth win of the season ... Struck out the only batter he faced in Tech's 11-10 loss to Virginia (4/11) to end the top of the ninth, and then stranded the bases loaded in the top of the ninth the following day to help preserve a 4-4 tie ... Struck out a career-high eight batters in five innings against Georgia State (4/15) to earn his fifth win of the season ... Struck out two in an inning of work against Georgia (5/12) ... Made two scoreless outings in the ACC Championships, including striking out two in 1.1 innings against Florida State (5/23) ... Pitched a scoreless inning of relief while striking out two in a 9-3 win over Georgia State in the opening game of the NCAA Atlanta Regional (5/29) ... Worked 4.2 innings of relief allowing just one run with four strikeouts in the regional final against Southern Miss. (6/1).
2008
Made 20 appearances on the season, all out of the bullpen ... Took part in three of the Yellow Jackets' five shutouts on the season ... Struck out 29 batters in 30 innings of work ... Twelve of his 20 appearances were scoreless outings ... Held Georgia Southern (2/27) to two hits while striking out four in his first collegiate appearance ... Struck out the side in a 1-2-3 inning against Rutgers (3/2) ... Tossed a scoreless eighth inning against Kennesaw State (3/18) and threw two shutout innings at Boston College (3/29) ... Made a scoreless relief appearance at Georgia Southern (4/16) and had a pair of scoreless outings vs. Wake Forest (4/25, 4/27) by facing the minimum while working an inning in relief in both contests ... Threw two shutout innings against Coastal Carolina (5/3) and another vs. Clemson (5/11) ... Worked 1.1 scoreless innings against Georgia (6/1) in the NCAA Athens Regional.
Steve will have to explain the origin of "Trepfan" but I remember seeing a "Trep___" nickname in Scott's history somewhere, perhaps before he played at St. John's. Again, it's not a rip on the Terps. Sorry if that disappoints some who are spoiling for a fight.
I guess I will never understand why folks expect every Maryland kid to attend U. Maryland. UVA has a great thing going, but you have Deck McGuire at Ga. Tech, certain kids I know at Wake, Russell Wilson at N.C. State, Stoneburner is the latest in a long line at Clemson .... Is UVA any less successful because these prominent VA kids went elsewhere?
People have all sorts of reasons for recruiting a particular kid, or for seeking out a particular school. It's great that people can match up according to their own personal preferences, both academic and athletic.
I have a feeling Bakich will do pretty darned well if people will give him a chance. Same with the new coaches at Wake. Neither team will finish first in the ACC this year, but both will show significant improvement I'll wager.
I guess I will never understand why folks expect every Maryland kid to attend U. Maryland. UVA has a great thing going, but you have Deck McGuire at Ga. Tech, certain kids I know at Wake, Russell Wilson at N.C. State, Stoneburner is the latest in a long line at Clemson .... Is UVA any less successful because these prominent VA kids went elsewhere?
People have all sorts of reasons for recruiting a particular kid, or for seeking out a particular school. It's great that people can match up according to their own personal preferences, both academic and athletic.
I have a feeling Bakich will do pretty darned well if people will give him a chance. Same with the new coaches at Wake. Neither team will finish first in the ACC this year, but both will show significant improvement I'll wager.
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I guess I will never understand why folks expect every Maryland kid to attend U. Maryland. UVA has a great thing going, but you have Deck McGuire at Ga. Tech, certain kids I know at Wake, Russell Wilson at N.C. State, Stoneburner is the latest in a long line at Clemson .... Is UVA any less successful because these prominent VA kids went elsewhere?
As an ACC team, you cant be successful unless you win your state talent first. The analogy to VA is poor since there are more top players from VA than MD. The perfect game rankings have VA with 25 2010 and 2011 players ranked in the top 400, whereas MD has 6! In other words, UVA can absorb losing some top players since they are still getting other equally talented kids from VA. MD is a different story. You don't have 3 Brad Markeys (or Jacobs) every year. Thus, when UMD loses a pitcher/player of this caliber it is a tough recovery since you cant just go pluck another one off the tree the way VA and others can.
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I have a feeling Bakich will do pretty darned well if people will give him a chance. Same with the new coaches at Wake. Neither team will finish first in the ACC this year, but both will show significant improvement I'll wager.
You are right on here Midlo
quote:The perfect game rankings have VA with 25 2010 and 2011 players ranked in the top 400, whereas MD has 6!
Your point is flawed. PG ranks the players who pay $$ to receive a score in their system. If a player doesn't attend a PG event, they wouldn't be ranked. Here's the kicker, the PG system is not as popular in MD as it is in VA. Typically, the further south you go the more popular it is. Just like the USSSA baseball is more popular the further south you go. Up north, AAU baseball is still top dog.
Here is my point. The list below is a list of kids that made the preseason all state team and have NOT paid for a PG event and received a score. Its the whole list except for Lardo who is listed. There is a short list at the end of this list of some other names that have been thrown around lately. Some say these kids are also top players. In the rankings that you saw, are any of these kids among the 6 that you suggested that are in the PG top 400?
I'm not trying to cause issue but, the stats can say all kinds of things.
Marsh
Ramsay
Wissman
Selmer
Kean
Gowe
Seitzer
Fitzpatrick
Draper
Christensen
TR Clark
TY Clark
Fratantuono
Parks
Bouey
anderson
steele
cunningham
hill
bennett
driscoll
glazer
lenovitz
nadolny
kratochwill
bennett
Others:
Hockaday
Neary
Bosse
Lucido
Mason
Spahn
I am not sure where to start since your post has so much incorrect information.
1) AAU is orders of magnitude more popular/active in VA than MD. It is not even close. For most of the TOP players in the county, AAU and USSA baseball ends at age 14 or 15 and they move on to play with showcase teams (Canes Baseball, Oriolelanders, Red Sox, Dirtbags, etc) that play in PG,Impact and self-assembled events.
2) your statement that you have to attend a PG event to receive a ranking is incorrect. Does it help to attend an event? Well, of course since that is an easy way for them to see the player. For good players who do not attend events, they take information from outside sources (coaches and scouts) and use it to rank guys. Many of these will receive a ranking of "high follow" or "follow" such that when they do attend an event the PG they can be tracked with special interest. There are many examples but I will point out 1 for the sake of this post. Alex Ramasy has never attended a Perfect Game event of any kind and is listed as #316 nationally and #2 in MD for 2010s. He started on the "high follow" list on the basis of good feedback and then entered the rankings after making the Baseball Factory All-American Team. Not 1 penny to PG. Kyle Convissar is the only other 2010 player in MD ranked (#202)and trust me, looking through the player profiles, a lot of MD kids attended these events.
3) The entire Oriolelanders 2011 played in a PG event 16U WWBA and some of them also played in Jupiter for the Tidewater Os which means at least the following players have attended PG events:
Bouey
Hockaday
Nadolny
Fitzpatrick
Lardo
Neary (may have been injured for WWBA)
Markey
And these are the only ones that i know of - there are likely more but I just dont know the kids.
4) I have no incentive to pat PG on the back but there is little question that they are the standard for ranking the top HS baseball talent. Their rankings are closely correlated to the MLB draft order for HS players (when factoring in the college players). It is the standard that nearly every top 20 and beyond team uses to identify the best players whether you like it or not. So, if you son is truly a TOP player and you want him to play high level college baseball, get him to a PG event. Or, you can wait around for a few years until PG hears about him second hand.
5) the list of kids you have provided are pre-season all-state players and they are good when you are comparing them with HS players in MD. HOWEVER, the bitter reality is that when you match up MANY of the players above with true national talent from NC, VA, TX, CA, FL, GA, etc (which is what PG does), there are maybe 5-6 that can hang. In other words, if your entire list of kids above attended the next 10 PG events and paid $5000 each doing so, maybe 4 would get ranked in the top 400 2011. As MD native and fan it pains me to say that but it is reality IMO.
This all gets back to my point regarding Midlo dads comment. VA, TX, NC, FL have a lot of top players so top programs dont take a big hit when they lose true top in-state talent since there is always another top ranked kid waiting to sign. This is not the case in MD so it becomes very important for UMD to secure top 200 players to build the program.
1) AAU is orders of magnitude more popular/active in VA than MD. It is not even close. For most of the TOP players in the county, AAU and USSA baseball ends at age 14 or 15 and they move on to play with showcase teams (Canes Baseball, Oriolelanders, Red Sox, Dirtbags, etc) that play in PG,Impact and self-assembled events.
2) your statement that you have to attend a PG event to receive a ranking is incorrect. Does it help to attend an event? Well, of course since that is an easy way for them to see the player. For good players who do not attend events, they take information from outside sources (coaches and scouts) and use it to rank guys. Many of these will receive a ranking of "high follow" or "follow" such that when they do attend an event the PG they can be tracked with special interest. There are many examples but I will point out 1 for the sake of this post. Alex Ramasy has never attended a Perfect Game event of any kind and is listed as #316 nationally and #2 in MD for 2010s. He started on the "high follow" list on the basis of good feedback and then entered the rankings after making the Baseball Factory All-American Team. Not 1 penny to PG. Kyle Convissar is the only other 2010 player in MD ranked (#202)and trust me, looking through the player profiles, a lot of MD kids attended these events.
3) The entire Oriolelanders 2011 played in a PG event 16U WWBA and some of them also played in Jupiter for the Tidewater Os which means at least the following players have attended PG events:
Bouey
Hockaday
Nadolny
Fitzpatrick
Lardo
Neary (may have been injured for WWBA)
Markey
And these are the only ones that i know of - there are likely more but I just dont know the kids.
4) I have no incentive to pat PG on the back but there is little question that they are the standard for ranking the top HS baseball talent. Their rankings are closely correlated to the MLB draft order for HS players (when factoring in the college players). It is the standard that nearly every top 20 and beyond team uses to identify the best players whether you like it or not. So, if you son is truly a TOP player and you want him to play high level college baseball, get him to a PG event. Or, you can wait around for a few years until PG hears about him second hand.
5) the list of kids you have provided are pre-season all-state players and they are good when you are comparing them with HS players in MD. HOWEVER, the bitter reality is that when you match up MANY of the players above with true national talent from NC, VA, TX, CA, FL, GA, etc (which is what PG does), there are maybe 5-6 that can hang. In other words, if your entire list of kids above attended the next 10 PG events and paid $5000 each doing so, maybe 4 would get ranked in the top 400 2011. As MD native and fan it pains me to say that but it is reality IMO.
This all gets back to my point regarding Midlo dads comment. VA, TX, NC, FL have a lot of top players so top programs dont take a big hit when they lose true top in-state talent since there is always another top ranked kid waiting to sign. This is not the case in MD so it becomes very important for UMD to secure top 200 players to build the program.
quote:) the list of kids you have provided are pre-season all-state players and they are good when you are comparing them with HS players in MD. HOWEVER, the bitter reality is that when you match up MANY of the players above with true national talent from NC, VA, TX, CA, FL, GA, etc (which is what PG does), there are maybe 5-6 that can hang. In other words, if your entire list of kids above attended the next 10 PG events and paid $5000 each doing so, maybe 4 would get ranked in the top 400 2011. As MD native and fan it pains me to say that but it is reality IMO.
This all gets back to my point regarding Midlo dads comment. VA, TX, NC, FL have a lot of top players so top programs dont take a big hit when they lose true top in-state talent since there is always another top ranked kid waiting to sign. This is not the case in MD so it becomes very important for UMD to secure top 200 players to build the program.
I completely agree. Yes, Convissar and Ramsay are clearly great talents and kudos to UMD for getting them. I think it's a consensus sometimes that the top 10 players in MD can play with anyone-at least I believe that. The depth isn't here in MD as it is in GA, FL, TX, CA...So it's important to get the MD kids that can play at that level for UMD
Why don't we all give Coach Bakich a year or two and see what he does ???
quote:Originally posted by all322:quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Why don't we all give Coach Bakich a year or two and see what he does ???
TR, I just looked through all 4 pages of this post and only Trepfan seems unwilling to do what you suggest. Please PM him whenever you feel the need to scold. Thank you for your support???
Agree completely - really looking forward to the Terps 2013 and 2014 seasons.
I guess I didn't make my point very well. That's OK. I don't profess to know everything. I just don't rely on these "independent" organizations to rank players properly because in MY opinion, you have to pay them for the score they give you. After you pay them and get your score, you get a ranking. Even when you pay to play in their tournament, you might get a ranking. It doesn't matter how you slice it or spin it, you have paid them for your ranking and you aren't getting ranked without paying them one way or another.
Doesn't under armour do a similar thing. In order to be an UA all american, you have to do a local UA showcase, get invited to a tournament, and then get selected while at the tournament. This is why when I see a team USA playing and the roster has 7 guys from AZ, 8 guys from CA, and a few from NV, I don't bother watching because I know those kids paid for the right to be on "Team USA #46" this season. It all about the $$.
I think Bakich is going about the process perfectly.
#1 Change the Culture
#2 Keep the best players in MD
#3 Start winning
Those 3 things have to be executed in that order or it will not work. State of MD players, parents, and coaches must buy into the changes and it starts within the program. I have traveled everywhere and seen more kids play than I can count. Top MD kids can play with anybody anywhere. I agree that there aren't as many top players here and the stats prove that as shown in the post above but, you can put the top kids at MD and win. The rankings may say that there are only 6 per year but it doesn't tell the entire story because not everyone is ranked.
Doesn't under armour do a similar thing. In order to be an UA all american, you have to do a local UA showcase, get invited to a tournament, and then get selected while at the tournament. This is why when I see a team USA playing and the roster has 7 guys from AZ, 8 guys from CA, and a few from NV, I don't bother watching because I know those kids paid for the right to be on "Team USA #46" this season. It all about the $$.
I think Bakich is going about the process perfectly.
#1 Change the Culture
#2 Keep the best players in MD
#3 Start winning
Those 3 things have to be executed in that order or it will not work. State of MD players, parents, and coaches must buy into the changes and it starts within the program. I have traveled everywhere and seen more kids play than I can count. Top MD kids can play with anybody anywhere. I agree that there aren't as many top players here and the stats prove that as shown in the post above but, you can put the top kids at MD and win. The rankings may say that there are only 6 per year but it doesn't tell the entire story because not everyone is ranked.
JSP -
I agree with you that the new coaching staff in College Park is on the right track. 'Perfectly'...I'm not sure about, but do agree with you that they are directionally on the path to improving to program overall. Next step will be to take it onto the field and put a better team out there.
As for organizations that you feel it's required to spend money with to be ranked, you might be right on many. But, spending money (or not spending money) with Perfect Game doesn't appear to have much impact on their rankings of players. There are probably dozens on cases where a lot of money was spent and a player's ranking (or rating) did not improve.
And, certainly not attending PG events or showcases does not mean that you won't be ranked by PG. Attendance at their events does allow a player to be seen and better evaluated....which may improve a players' ranking or rating.
I think, overall, PG is in the business of evaluating the baseball players and their talents, whether they have attended a PG showcase/tournament or not. If you are talented enough, these folks will rank you, whether you have paid them $$$ or not. In my opinion, they do a pretty darn good job.
I agree with you that the new coaching staff in College Park is on the right track. 'Perfectly'...I'm not sure about, but do agree with you that they are directionally on the path to improving to program overall. Next step will be to take it onto the field and put a better team out there.
As for organizations that you feel it's required to spend money with to be ranked, you might be right on many. But, spending money (or not spending money) with Perfect Game doesn't appear to have much impact on their rankings of players. There are probably dozens on cases where a lot of money was spent and a player's ranking (or rating) did not improve.
And, certainly not attending PG events or showcases does not mean that you won't be ranked by PG. Attendance at their events does allow a player to be seen and better evaluated....which may improve a players' ranking or rating.
I think, overall, PG is in the business of evaluating the baseball players and their talents, whether they have attended a PG showcase/tournament or not. If you are talented enough, these folks will rank you, whether you have paid them $$$ or not. In my opinion, they do a pretty darn good job.
quote:I guess I didn't make my point very well. That's OK. I don't profess to know everything. I just don't rely on these "independent" organizations to rank players properly because in MY opinion, you have to pay them for the score they give you. After you pay them and get your score, you get a ranking. Even when you pay to play in their tournament, you might get a ranking. It doesn't matter how you slice it or spin it, you have paid them for your ranking and you aren't getting ranked without paying them one way or another.
JSParak,
I really don’t think you mean any harm, but you might as well get the truth. At least, the truth regarding PG rankings.
You are 100% wrong, it just doesn’t work the way you think. There are ranked players who never attended a PG event and there are many unranked players who have attended PG events. Do you really think anyone would value rankings based on paying someone?
That said, please take a moment and look at this link. It should help explain why so many who don’t know the truth might feel the way you do.
PG and the MLB Draft
I do agree with you that the top Maryland kids can play with anybody anywhere. To be honest I think at one point or another we have had nearly every “top” player in MD ranked over the past 15 years, so we know how good the top players are. Many of the players you listed earlier have actually been to a PG event. There might be a few that are still in high school that we don’t yet know enough about, but I believe we will figure it out before June.
I also agree with you that “not everyone is ranked”! If everyone everywhere was ranked, the list would go way beyond the top 400 or 500 in the entire country.
Though you might not have meant any harm, it is an insult to think we rank players based on them paying us. It is an insult to us, and worse yet, it is an insult to the talented players we have ranked. We wouldn’t have lasted very long operating that way. If you ever get a chance, ask Coach Bakich what he thinks of PG rankings.
Now there might be places where players can pay to be ranked or honored, it just doesn’t work that way with PG.
Originally posted by JSParak:
Didn't I just explain to you that this is inaccurate in the last post (e.g., Ramsay)?
This was my original point to Midlo Dad before you chimed in to say it was wrong - glad you are on board now.
You are sloppy, the 6 ranked players I mentioned are from both 2010 and 2011 so it is more like 3 per year. And, the "everyone" you are talking about aren't ranked because they are not good enough to be in the top 200 - even if they pay over and over. This is what is wrong with some kids today. Their parents spend their lives always looking to make excuses for them - Joey wasnt ranked since we didnt pay
, Joey was left off the all state team due to politics , Joey wasnt asked to play on a top showcase team since the coach likes Bobby better ,etc, etc. Too funny......
quote:
It doesn't matter how you slice it or spin it, you have paid them for your ranking and you aren't getting ranked without paying them one way or another.
Didn't I just explain to you that this is inaccurate in the last post (e.g., Ramsay)?
quote:
I agree that there aren't as many top players here and the stats prove that as shown in the post above but, you can put the top kids at MD and win.
This was my original point to Midlo Dad before you chimed in to say it was wrong - glad you are on board now.
quote:
The rankings may say that there are only 6 per year but it doesn't tell the entire story because not everyone is ranked.
You are sloppy, the 6 ranked players I mentioned are from both 2010 and 2011 so it is more like 3 per year. And, the "everyone" you are talking about aren't ranked because they are not good enough to be in the top 200 - even if they pay over and over. This is what is wrong with some kids today. Their parents spend their lives always looking to make excuses for them - Joey wasnt ranked since we didnt pay
, Joey was left off the all state team due to politics , Joey wasnt asked to play on a top showcase team since the coach likes Bobby better ,etc, etc. Too funny......
Thank you for putting the nail in this one PGStaff...
I am on your link now in another window. I will give you more of an opportunity to set the record straight since I am not well informed about how it works.
Point 1
Just opening the link it says "1,191 of 1,521 (78.3%) MLB draft picks played at PG
It’s Another New PG Record Draft Total"
Did PG develop these 1,191 players? If so where can we send our kids for this type of training? If no, why is PG taking marketing credit for these kids getting drafted?
Point 2
How many of the 1191 kids didn't pay for the PG event that they attended; either through tournament fees or showcase events? It would be my assumption that all of them paid. Did Alex Ramsay play in a PG tournament? If yes that would mean he paid correct. Would Alex Ramsay be ranked had he not paid for and attended a PG event? Would that have made him a better or worse player had he not attended? Is PG the reason Alex is a very good player?
Point 3
Based on the marketing on the site, it appears as though attending a PG event will increase the likelihood that one will get drafted. It also leads me to believe that if my son made it a goal to play in the college world series, he should play in a PG event to increase his chances of getting there because the majority of the CWS players are PG players. Is this correct?
Here is the point of it all. The link that you supplied me with tells me that unless I spend money at PG, my son has less shot at advancing his career. Would Alex Ramsay not have been recruited at MD if it weren't for PG?
ESPN could make a stat that says 97% of all kids in the MLB draft have watched Sunday night baseball and 997 of the first 1000 draft picks watched. If they charged people to watch, which they do in cable fees, and made a fancy campaign that watching is the way to get drafted, they would have more people watching and more people paying the fees. They would then be another PG by filling people with the illusion that they can't make it without them so pay the $$.
Call me what you want, call it what you want. You’re charging people for ranking them and PG is preying on the dreams of young men. I see nothing that shows me that PG ranks kids that have not paid to be in or take part in a PG event.
If I am wrong, show me the PG ranking from the first 3 rounds of ALL players that got drafted, not just the 27 that "attended an event"
I know your blood is boiling right now but stay with me.
I have seen dozens of kid’s ratings on PG that I have seen play throughout the years. I think that the ratings have been darn near spot on for every kid I have seen and has a rating. That being said, I think PG does a great job judging the true talent of the kids. Moreover the rating appears to be a true reflection of the talent and future success of the kids.
In my opinion, if PG is going to be a top quality rating service, they need to rank all players (within a said # of kids) regardless of whether they play or participate in a PG event. For those who want an official rating, they pay extra for the service. In your mailings and website, you make it seem as though if you don't have an invitation to be a part of an event you can't get into the event. The reality is that getting an invitation is nothing more than showing interest and a desire to pay the fee. As long I show interest in paying the fee at some point, I will be buried with PG invitations to every event within 500 miles regardless of my playing level. If I participate, I get a rating and a chance to be ranked. If not, I have no rating and won't be ranked even if I deserve it.
You'll need to give me more than a link to a website that proves what I already believe. Show me how I am wrong. I hate to be a skeptic but my son is almost of age to start these showcases and I am not sold.
Point 1
Just opening the link it says "1,191 of 1,521 (78.3%) MLB draft picks played at PG
It’s Another New PG Record Draft Total"
Did PG develop these 1,191 players? If so where can we send our kids for this type of training? If no, why is PG taking marketing credit for these kids getting drafted?
Point 2
How many of the 1191 kids didn't pay for the PG event that they attended; either through tournament fees or showcase events? It would be my assumption that all of them paid. Did Alex Ramsay play in a PG tournament? If yes that would mean he paid correct. Would Alex Ramsay be ranked had he not paid for and attended a PG event? Would that have made him a better or worse player had he not attended? Is PG the reason Alex is a very good player?
Point 3
Based on the marketing on the site, it appears as though attending a PG event will increase the likelihood that one will get drafted. It also leads me to believe that if my son made it a goal to play in the college world series, he should play in a PG event to increase his chances of getting there because the majority of the CWS players are PG players. Is this correct?
Here is the point of it all. The link that you supplied me with tells me that unless I spend money at PG, my son has less shot at advancing his career. Would Alex Ramsay not have been recruited at MD if it weren't for PG?
ESPN could make a stat that says 97% of all kids in the MLB draft have watched Sunday night baseball and 997 of the first 1000 draft picks watched. If they charged people to watch, which they do in cable fees, and made a fancy campaign that watching is the way to get drafted, they would have more people watching and more people paying the fees. They would then be another PG by filling people with the illusion that they can't make it without them so pay the $$.
Call me what you want, call it what you want. You’re charging people for ranking them and PG is preying on the dreams of young men. I see nothing that shows me that PG ranks kids that have not paid to be in or take part in a PG event.
If I am wrong, show me the PG ranking from the first 3 rounds of ALL players that got drafted, not just the 27 that "attended an event"
I know your blood is boiling right now but stay with me.
I have seen dozens of kid’s ratings on PG that I have seen play throughout the years. I think that the ratings have been darn near spot on for every kid I have seen and has a rating. That being said, I think PG does a great job judging the true talent of the kids. Moreover the rating appears to be a true reflection of the talent and future success of the kids.
In my opinion, if PG is going to be a top quality rating service, they need to rank all players (within a said # of kids) regardless of whether they play or participate in a PG event. For those who want an official rating, they pay extra for the service. In your mailings and website, you make it seem as though if you don't have an invitation to be a part of an event you can't get into the event. The reality is that getting an invitation is nothing more than showing interest and a desire to pay the fee. As long I show interest in paying the fee at some point, I will be buried with PG invitations to every event within 500 miles regardless of my playing level. If I participate, I get a rating and a chance to be ranked. If not, I have no rating and won't be ranked even if I deserve it.
You'll need to give me more than a link to a website that proves what I already believe. Show me how I am wrong. I hate to be a skeptic but my son is almost of age to start these showcases and I am not sold.
I appologize to Alex for using his name on this post. He is a great player and I am in no way trying to disrespect him. His name was out there in the agruement so I went with it.
I am also sorry to the U of MD that this topic has come out in their thread. I fully support Bakich and his efforts. I hope that the program can return to the top of the conference again soon.
Lastly, I am not a bad guy everybody. I'm just trying to understand how the process works. Besides, if I am thinking this as a newbie to the process, there are MANY others who also don't know the process and need to know how to better spend their money. Unfortunately, there are a whole lot of crooks out there and the separation between good and evil isn't always clear. Take it from me!!!! Getting ripped off by very well known ex-pro's is not a pleasurable ordeal.
I am also sorry to the U of MD that this topic has come out in their thread. I fully support Bakich and his efforts. I hope that the program can return to the top of the conference again soon.
Lastly, I am not a bad guy everybody. I'm just trying to understand how the process works. Besides, if I am thinking this as a newbie to the process, there are MANY others who also don't know the process and need to know how to better spend their money. Unfortunately, there are a whole lot of crooks out there and the separation between good and evil isn't always clear. Take it from me!!!! Getting ripped off by very well known ex-pro's is not a pleasurable ordeal.
Our son, who is going to Maryland, is ranked in top 500 by PG, I believe he has been ranked for over a year.
I don't know how the rankings work and I don't have a clue how he got on their ranking. He had never attend any PG events until he went with this travel team to East Cobb this summer - many months after his first PG ranking.
Based on this, I would agree that PG rankings have nothing to do with spending dollars at PG showcases/events.
I don't know how the rankings work and I don't have a clue how he got on their ranking. He had never attend any PG events until he went with this travel team to East Cobb this summer - many months after his first PG ranking.
Based on this, I would agree that PG rankings have nothing to do with spending dollars at PG showcases/events.
This is the kind of info I want to hear. To recap, your son never played in a PG event, got a ranking a little over a year ago, then played in a PG event in Georgia this past summer.
This is good news. Does anyone else have a story like this?
This is good news. Does anyone else have a story like this?
I don't have a story like nhmonty's, and I have no idea whether my son is ranked. I did want to chime in, though, that when I read marketing materials by PG saying that 75% of drafted players did a PG showcase, I take that to mean that the best of the best think doing PG is worthwhile -- not that PG is taking credit for discovering these kids.
LHPMOM - That's a great point. I know that all of my players that go to a PG showcase do so because they believe it's the best avenue for them. PG does a great job at showcases and I don't think you can beat it.
Most importantly some of the best players in the country think it's worthwhile and that's enough for me!
Most importantly some of the best players in the country think it's worthwhile and that's enough for me!
JSParek,
I’m not sure you want to hear the truth. I believe, at this time, there are two high school players from Maryland ranked among the top 500 in the nation for the 2010 class. One of the two (50%) has never attended a PG event. If he gets drafted, we will not say he went to a PG event. This "ranked" player has never paid PG a dime, unless he has subscribed to pgcrosschecker.
If you truly have a young player, do whatever you want. If he’s good enough, we will find out about him whether he attends a PG event or not.
I would estimate that nearly half of those who attend a PG event, were ranked before attending the event. Wouldn’t it make sense that we would try to get those players to an event.
I doubt if most people have any idea how much is spent to do what we do. We don’t simply attend our own events and wait for players to show up. The secret for talented players is to get to the better events. Then we will see the player and the player hasn’t spent a dime on PG.
We have gone on record, many times, saying that we take no credit for any players accomplishments. That doesn’t change what has happened. Don’t you find it odd that nearly 80% of an entire draft attended certain events? Truth is, closer to 99% have been “ranked” by that same organization.
I’m starting to think you might have an agenda and don’t want to hear the truth. With some research you can easily find answers. You could simply ask questions, but it appears you’re more in an attack mode. Yet, you claim you’re a parent that is simply looking for answers because your son is not yet old enough.
It seems if your son is your major interest here, you would contact us directly rather than post what pretty much looks like accusations on a public message board. You're not really asking, you are claiming things as though they are facts! That is what is so confusing. How can you know all of these things when you have not experienced any of it? Just what is your agenda?
You can contact the coach that this thread is about. That would be a good place to start your research.
Searching the archives on the PG site you will see this posted in many different places. I will copy and paste it here.
Note: Often the PG naysayers get upset when we release these figures. However, they are a very important part of our business. We ask, if anyone else could claim these numbers, would they keep it confidential? Please everyone, understand that we are not laying claim for these players getting drafted. Our job is to identify talented players, not to develop them, draft them or recruit them. That is why we use the term "attended PG events" rather than "PG Player". We don't deserve any credit for the vast majority of talented players who attend our events and go on to get College Scholarships or become draft picks. We understand that Justin Upton would have been what he is, with or without PG.
The credit should go to the many coaches, teams, teammates, instructors, parents and most of all, to the individual players themselves. Many of these players play in excellent summer and fall programs. Without those programs PG would miss a lot of talented players.
Last, but not least, people should really appreciate those who are involved in scouting for Major League Clubs and the many college coaches who scout and recruit hard. Without these people, we would all be wasting our time.
MLB Scouts and College Coaches are the most important people in this whole process. They are the people who make the most important decisions! Lucky for us is that they follow what we do very closely.
I’m not sure you want to hear the truth. I believe, at this time, there are two high school players from Maryland ranked among the top 500 in the nation for the 2010 class. One of the two (50%) has never attended a PG event. If he gets drafted, we will not say he went to a PG event. This "ranked" player has never paid PG a dime, unless he has subscribed to pgcrosschecker.
If you truly have a young player, do whatever you want. If he’s good enough, we will find out about him whether he attends a PG event or not.
I would estimate that nearly half of those who attend a PG event, were ranked before attending the event. Wouldn’t it make sense that we would try to get those players to an event.
I doubt if most people have any idea how much is spent to do what we do. We don’t simply attend our own events and wait for players to show up. The secret for talented players is to get to the better events. Then we will see the player and the player hasn’t spent a dime on PG.
We have gone on record, many times, saying that we take no credit for any players accomplishments. That doesn’t change what has happened. Don’t you find it odd that nearly 80% of an entire draft attended certain events? Truth is, closer to 99% have been “ranked” by that same organization.
I’m starting to think you might have an agenda and don’t want to hear the truth. With some research you can easily find answers. You could simply ask questions, but it appears you’re more in an attack mode. Yet, you claim you’re a parent that is simply looking for answers because your son is not yet old enough.
It seems if your son is your major interest here, you would contact us directly rather than post what pretty much looks like accusations on a public message board. You're not really asking, you are claiming things as though they are facts! That is what is so confusing. How can you know all of these things when you have not experienced any of it? Just what is your agenda?
You can contact the coach that this thread is about. That would be a good place to start your research.
Searching the archives on the PG site you will see this posted in many different places. I will copy and paste it here.
Note: Often the PG naysayers get upset when we release these figures. However, they are a very important part of our business. We ask, if anyone else could claim these numbers, would they keep it confidential? Please everyone, understand that we are not laying claim for these players getting drafted. Our job is to identify talented players, not to develop them, draft them or recruit them. That is why we use the term "attended PG events" rather than "PG Player". We don't deserve any credit for the vast majority of talented players who attend our events and go on to get College Scholarships or become draft picks. We understand that Justin Upton would have been what he is, with or without PG.
The credit should go to the many coaches, teams, teammates, instructors, parents and most of all, to the individual players themselves. Many of these players play in excellent summer and fall programs. Without those programs PG would miss a lot of talented players.
Last, but not least, people should really appreciate those who are involved in scouting for Major League Clubs and the many college coaches who scout and recruit hard. Without these people, we would all be wasting our time.
MLB Scouts and College Coaches are the most important people in this whole process. They are the people who make the most important decisions! Lucky for us is that they follow what we do very closely.
JSParek - I feel the agenda as well and these get old frankly.
I don't feel some people appreciate that PG (Jerry Ford) is one of the largest content/information providers to our site. I am talking about freely providing highly-valued information and insight gained from years of direct experience with every college program out there, pro scouts, and on to the very highest levels of professional baseball. The value of our site would diminish to almost nill if it were not for his personal contributions and expertise. He also does much work behind the scenes here answering what I am sure are dozens and dozens of PM's per month. Make no mistake, he does all this because he loves the game and loves to interact with like-minded people on the site.
In addition to his content contribution, he is the largest financial contributor to our site and never ever draws attention to himself. The number of kids that have either directly attended one of his events or benefited by being noticed by his organization is something to be proud of and he has earned the right to freely discuss those facts as they may come up here from time to time. He is also a stand-up guy who is willing to publicy take the heat when perhaps one of their thousands of evaluations turned out lower in hindsight than maybe it ought to be.
A few years back we lost bbscout (Doug McMillan) and I am not sure our site has ever fully recovered from his loss. Lets not drive away our very best resources that we have here at the hsbbweb.
I don't feel some people appreciate that PG (Jerry Ford) is one of the largest content/information providers to our site. I am talking about freely providing highly-valued information and insight gained from years of direct experience with every college program out there, pro scouts, and on to the very highest levels of professional baseball. The value of our site would diminish to almost nill if it were not for his personal contributions and expertise. He also does much work behind the scenes here answering what I am sure are dozens and dozens of PM's per month. Make no mistake, he does all this because he loves the game and loves to interact with like-minded people on the site.
In addition to his content contribution, he is the largest financial contributor to our site and never ever draws attention to himself. The number of kids that have either directly attended one of his events or benefited by being noticed by his organization is something to be proud of and he has earned the right to freely discuss those facts as they may come up here from time to time. He is also a stand-up guy who is willing to publicy take the heat when perhaps one of their thousands of evaluations turned out lower in hindsight than maybe it ought to be.
A few years back we lost bbscout (Doug McMillan) and I am not sure our site has ever fully recovered from his loss. Lets not drive away our very best resources that we have here at the hsbbweb.
All,
I have no agenda.
What you ALL fail to understand (from my perspective) is that EVERY year a couple of million kids enter HS and that means a couple of million parents enter the realm of how to get their kids recruited and where best to spend their money for maximum exposure. We all think our kids are good. Some think their kids are great. If I have these questions, others have these questions.
I've spent late last evening and most of the day today reading all I could about PG. I called a couple of old friends who went through this in the past with their kids. One of the guys said it wasn't that important to be a part of the PG showcase process as his son was recruited anyway. One said to get involved as early as possible because it will maximize exposure. He also told me to do a showcase every year because it would show progress. A couple of guys said they didn't really know if it helped as they were still involved win the process. I was told that there are certain advantages to the PG system like getting a rating that would help when you contact coaches. They could look up their names and get an independent opinion to decide whether a kid is a potential prospect. No one told me that the system is worthless and none said they wish they didn't do it.
Getting back to follow up on my first paragraph, the marketing of the program needs work. PG goes the extra mile to give you all the stats that imply they are the reason for success and point out on another page that they give all credit to the work of the player, coaches, leagues etc. Maybe PG should have a question and answer page that asks these same questions that I have and then answer them to set the record straight. I am still not sold on the PG system but it appears as though I am wrong in my initial beliefs on how the system works. 1, and only 1, parent offered me up that their kid did get ranked having not participated prior to being involved in an event. The question I have for nhmonty is; When did their son get noticed. Was it his freshmen year, sophomore year, junior year etc. and do they think that it would have made a difference in the recruiting process had they got involved with PG sooner.
The following link is the "About PG" link on the PG website. I think they do a decent job here explaining the how to's but they still imply too many things to put me at ease. Past experience from other parents would help me to be at ease. There's another page that should be added!
http://www.perfectgame.org/about_pg/index.aspx
I have no agenda.
What you ALL fail to understand (from my perspective) is that EVERY year a couple of million kids enter HS and that means a couple of million parents enter the realm of how to get their kids recruited and where best to spend their money for maximum exposure. We all think our kids are good. Some think their kids are great. If I have these questions, others have these questions.
I've spent late last evening and most of the day today reading all I could about PG. I called a couple of old friends who went through this in the past with their kids. One of the guys said it wasn't that important to be a part of the PG showcase process as his son was recruited anyway. One said to get involved as early as possible because it will maximize exposure. He also told me to do a showcase every year because it would show progress. A couple of guys said they didn't really know if it helped as they were still involved win the process. I was told that there are certain advantages to the PG system like getting a rating that would help when you contact coaches. They could look up their names and get an independent opinion to decide whether a kid is a potential prospect. No one told me that the system is worthless and none said they wish they didn't do it.
Getting back to follow up on my first paragraph, the marketing of the program needs work. PG goes the extra mile to give you all the stats that imply they are the reason for success and point out on another page that they give all credit to the work of the player, coaches, leagues etc. Maybe PG should have a question and answer page that asks these same questions that I have and then answer them to set the record straight. I am still not sold on the PG system but it appears as though I am wrong in my initial beliefs on how the system works. 1, and only 1, parent offered me up that their kid did get ranked having not participated prior to being involved in an event. The question I have for nhmonty is; When did their son get noticed. Was it his freshmen year, sophomore year, junior year etc. and do they think that it would have made a difference in the recruiting process had they got involved with PG sooner.
The following link is the "About PG" link on the PG website. I think they do a decent job here explaining the how to's but they still imply too many things to put me at ease. Past experience from other parents would help me to be at ease. There's another page that should be added!
http://www.perfectgame.org/about_pg/index.aspx
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Originally posted by JSParak:
All,
I have no agenda.
Unfortunately JS, what YOU fail to understand and realize is that those of us who have been on here quite some time can pinpoint someone who has an agenda very easiy and rather quickly. With that end, you DO have an agenda and after reading your posts here on this thread and many of your other posts it's quite obvious that:
1 - You or someone you know either doesn't like PG or competes against them, thus the attacks...or
2 - Your son somewhere or sometime has not received a PG rating to your liking and by golly, someone is going to pay!
What you ALL fail to understand (from my perspective) is that EVERY year a couple of million kids enter HS and that means a couple of million parents enter the realm of how to get their kids recruited and where best to spend their money for maximum exposure. We all think our kids are good. Some think their kids are great. If I have these questions, others have these questions.
DUH! What is there to not understand about this? This doesn't take rocket science to know this year in and year out.
I've spent late last evening and most of the day today reading all I could about PG. I called a couple of old friends who went through this in the past with their kids. One of the guys said it wasn't that important to be a part of the PG showcase process as his son was recruited anyway. One said to get involved as early as possible because it will maximize exposure. He also told me to do a showcase every year because it would show progress. A couple of guys said they didn't really know if it helped as they were still involved win the process. I was told that there are certain advantages to the PG system like getting a rating that would help when you contact coaches. They could look up their names and get an independent opinion to decide whether a kid is a potential prospect. No one told me that the system is worthless and none said they wish they didn't do it.
HELLO MCFLY?! If no one that you know had anything negative or derogatory to say about PG, do you need us to spell it out for you?
Getting back to follow up on my first paragraph, the marketing of the program needs work.
So you're a marketing guru, huh? If you don't like how they are selling it, don't buy it. It's apparent that thousands of other players/parents buy each year, over and over.
PG goes the extra mile to give you all the stats that imply they are the reason for success
Follow the bouncing ball here with me...yes....the reason for success in helping players get noticed and hopefully to the next level. NOT success in the development of talent of these players....
and point out on another page that they give all credit to the work of the player, coaches, leagues etc.
It's good to see that you CAN connect the dots afterall....
Maybe PG should have a question and answer page that asks these same questions that I have and then answer them to set the record straight. I am still not sold on the PG system but it appears as though I am wrong in my initial beliefs on how the system works.
Earth to Major Tom...by golly I think he is actually saying he just MIGHT be wrong...or is it still a bit fuzzy...??
1, and only 1, parent offered me up that their kid did get ranked having not participated prior to being involved in an event. The question I have for nhmonty is; When did their son get noticed. Was it his freshmen year, sophomore year, junior year etc. and do they think that it would have made a difference in the recruiting process had they got involved with PG sooner.
The following link is the "About PG" link on the PG website. I think they do a decent job here explaining the how to's but they still imply too many things to put me at ease.
PG, it hurts my feelings that you guys didn't design and market your organization and website to the liking of this guy. I AM glad that you did a "decent" job as he eloquently puts it....LOL. Maybe you should consult your "at ease" dept from now on!
JSP - every time you touch the keyboard it further convinces this group of knowledgeable people that you either: 1) enjoy playing devils advocate and getting everyone irritated or 2) have a learning disability.
5-6 different people have told you the same thing in response to the same questions that you continue to ask. What do you want for crying out loud? After all your ramblings, accusations and intensive research, it's still not clear to anyone. Think about it for a while and formulate the question before you spew redundant, half-baked complains and questions.
Not withstanding all the great explanations and testimonials from PGstaff and customers that actually USE PGs service, what planet are you from to think that PG should do what it does for free?? I am not sure what line of work you are in but i don't think you would provide a service, especially one that everyone wants, uses and is happy with, for free!! Seriously, what is your real agenda?
5-6 different people have told you the same thing in response to the same questions that you continue to ask. What do you want for crying out loud? After all your ramblings, accusations and intensive research, it's still not clear to anyone. Think about it for a while and formulate the question before you spew redundant, half-baked complains and questions.
Not withstanding all the great explanations and testimonials from PGstaff and customers that actually USE PGs service, what planet are you from to think that PG should do what it does for free?? I am not sure what line of work you are in but i don't think you would provide a service, especially one that everyone wants, uses and is happy with, for free!! Seriously, what is your real agenda?
Gee.....what ever happened to our nice little thread about where the Terp baseball program might be headed?
quote:Originally posted by baseballguy:
Gee.....what ever happened to our nice little thread about where the Terp baseball program might be headed?
Agreed - onward please!
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Originally posted by JSParak:
Taking on the largest youth rating and ranking agency in the country?
They must be doing SOMETHING right.
As Perry Mason always use to say...I rest my case.
Just my 2 cents, because I normally wouldn't chime in on a Maryland Forum, but I was curious.
My son (2011) has received several correspondences from Maryland, through snail and email over the past 6-8 months. He played varsity as a sophomore and had a decent year, but I firmly believe that he started receiving interest from Maryland and several other schools due to the PG events that he's participated in the last year.
On another note; I was torn between sending my kid to a college camp run by a very well respected baseball scout recently, or a local PG event. I ended up sending him to the PG event only after having a great conversation with the scout and a D1 Head Coach here in California. The coach confirmed that he does look at the Profile/Reports on kids that attend certain PG events. He obviously still wants to see the player in person, but the potential recruit would then be put on the Radar for his program. That's why we showcase our kids, to give them a chance to get on the "Radar" and hopefully his talent can take over from there.
BTW, I don't know much about the Terps, but the fact that they're extending the recruiting for the program all over the map means that they are going to be a player in the very near future!
My son (2011) has received several correspondences from Maryland, through snail and email over the past 6-8 months. He played varsity as a sophomore and had a decent year, but I firmly believe that he started receiving interest from Maryland and several other schools due to the PG events that he's participated in the last year.
On another note; I was torn between sending my kid to a college camp run by a very well respected baseball scout recently, or a local PG event. I ended up sending him to the PG event only after having a great conversation with the scout and a D1 Head Coach here in California. The coach confirmed that he does look at the Profile/Reports on kids that attend certain PG events. He obviously still wants to see the player in person, but the potential recruit would then be put on the Radar for his program. That's why we showcase our kids, to give them a chance to get on the "Radar" and hopefully his talent can take over from there.
BTW, I don't know much about the Terps, but the fact that they're extending the recruiting for the program all over the map means that they are going to be a player in the very near future!
JSParak,
Your posts simply expose an agenda. I don't see how an objective exchange with someone like you would ever be productive. Perfect Game may not be for everyone. There is no gun to your head to have your son utilize Perfect Game's services. You can choose not to send your child to an event. But many of us on here would warn you that your child could very well win the title "Best Player No One Ever Heard Of" down the road. But I guess with the money you save from not going to an event, you could buy your family a trophy or a bowl for your mantle in Maryland.
Your posts simply expose an agenda. I don't see how an objective exchange with someone like you would ever be productive. Perfect Game may not be for everyone. There is no gun to your head to have your son utilize Perfect Game's services. You can choose not to send your child to an event. But many of us on here would warn you that your child could very well win the title "Best Player No One Ever Heard Of" down the road. But I guess with the money you save from not going to an event, you could buy your family a trophy or a bowl for your mantle in Maryland.
quote:Originally posted by baseballguy:
Gee.....what ever happened to our nice little thread about where the Terp baseball program might be headed?
I agree that facilities play a very important role in recruiting, next up is the coach who recruits them. Bakich, very charming and likeable, is a part of Leggett's coaching tree, and most of them have had much success.
BTW, they showed my son those pants at Clemson too, if you do your homework, it's not about fitted white pants but the tradition that it represents, and he was very impressed. Too bad his never "fitted" him as well as his teammates.
nhmonty, great conference and your son definetly has a lot of challenging work cut out for himself, best of luck.
Thanks for chiming in TPM -
Terp baseball hasn't generated this much discussion in quite some time.
And to think...Coach Bakich hasn't even coached his first game yet!
Hope DK is doing great and getting ready for the spring!
Terp baseball hasn't generated this much discussion in quite some time.
And to think...Coach Bakich hasn't even coached his first game yet!
Hope DK is doing great and getting ready for the spring!
Thanks baseballguy, DK is doing well, hope all is ok on your end as well.
FWIW, as bad as the facilities are, it is tough to play at Maryland if you are not acustomed to it, if they still have the infield astro turf, it's a bummer for the visiting pitcher. Those ground ball singles can turn into ground ball doubles, watch out!
FWIW, as bad as the facilities are, it is tough to play at Maryland if you are not acustomed to it, if they still have the infield astro turf, it's a bummer for the visiting pitcher. Those ground ball singles can turn into ground ball doubles, watch out!
TPM
Thank you for the good luck wish for our son. He thinks he knows what lies ahead - ACC a wee bit different than NH baseball
He got his eyes opened at TOS, Area Code Games and East Coast Pro. He struggle a bit first few days of TOS, but got better at the end and did ok in the other events.
Now he knows what the ACC is like on a daily basis. Lots of work ahead for him if he wants to earn playing time in 2011.
Going to Maryland for official visit week after next
-couldn't go in the fall, kid was playing football.
Looking forward to Terps - Tar Heels Bball game. Also interested in progress of Terps baseball.
Thank you for the good luck wish for our son. He thinks he knows what lies ahead - ACC a wee bit different than NH baseball
He got his eyes opened at TOS, Area Code Games and East Coast Pro. He struggle a bit first few days of TOS, but got better at the end and did ok in the other events.
Now he knows what the ACC is like on a daily basis. Lots of work ahead for him if he wants to earn playing time in 2011.
Going to Maryland for official visit week after next
-couldn't go in the fall, kid was playing football.
Looking forward to Terps - Tar Heels Bball game. Also interested in progress of Terps baseball.
Times those events by 2 and you got the idea. 
quote:The question I have for nhmonty is; When did their son get noticed. Was it his freshmen year, sophomore year, junior year etc. and do they think that it would have made a difference in the recruiting process had they got involved with PG sooner.
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i can't speak FOR nhmonty. but i can speak to this question. i too was very surprised that his son was ranked at pg. not because he wasn't good enough, just there are not that many eye's up here. that showed me that pg really isn't about the money. (i'll go on record that my son's never attended a pg event, never ranked either as far as i know.)
nh monty is a friend of mine, for that reason i won't talk the boy up. but stevie wonder could have found him.
jsparak
you sound like the father of a younger player. you'll come to realize there are many different levels of players, and programs. not every player is good enough to be ranked, but there is a place for him to play. he just needs to find that place, which you may find more difficult than you think.
recruiting has changed in the last 6 yrs, as it probably will in the next 6yrs. i would say that if your son improves at this game, you'll be wanting him to attend a pg event.
before you question motives of money, do some research. i dare say pg top 100 rankings would be the same regardless, even a caveman could do it.
ahh, winter on the bbweb, it can get nasty.
I won't comment on the PG rant, other than to say Jerry and Jim have been absolute top professionals anytime I've dealt with them.
As far as Maryland Baseball, all I can say is Well Done! Coach Burton and Coach Bakich are legit. My personal experience with Coach Burton has been great. No doubt, Coach Bakich and Burton have a plan centered around recruiting talented, tough, hard-nosed players. They've cast a net that reaches as far south as a Texas, hoping to balance their local talent. If there is any question, just look at their first recruiting class for 2010. If those guys don't get you excited about the future of Terp baseball, well
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The information we received regarding the athletics gift from Bob & Carol Smith will certainly help address the need for facilities upgrades.
We wish them all the best this spring and we are definitley THINKING MARYLAND BASEBALL!
GED10DaD
As far as Maryland Baseball, all I can say is Well Done! Coach Burton and Coach Bakich are legit. My personal experience with Coach Burton has been great. No doubt, Coach Bakich and Burton have a plan centered around recruiting talented, tough, hard-nosed players. They've cast a net that reaches as far south as a Texas, hoping to balance their local talent. If there is any question, just look at their first recruiting class for 2010. If those guys don't get you excited about the future of Terp baseball, well
The information we received regarding the athletics gift from Bob & Carol Smith will certainly help address the need for facilities upgrades.
We wish them all the best this spring and we are definitley THINKING MARYLAND BASEBALL!
GED10DaD
quote:Originally posted by 20dad:quote:The question I have for nhmonty is; When did their son get noticed. Was it his freshmen year, sophomore year, junior year etc. and do they think that it would have made a difference in the recruiting process had they got involved with PG sooner.
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i can't speak FOR nhmonty. but i can speak to this question. i too was very surprised that his son was ranked at pg. not because he wasn't good enough, just there are not that many eye's up here. that showed me that pg really isn't about the money. (i'll go on record that my son's never attended a pg event, never ranked either as far as i know.)
nh monty is a friend of mine, for that reason i won't talk the boy up. but stevie wonder could have found him.
jsparak
you sound like the father of a younger player. you'll come to realize there are many different levels of players, and programs. not every player is good enough to be ranked, but there is a place for him to play. he just needs to find that place, which you may find more difficult than you think.
recruiting has changed in the last 6 yrs, as it probably will in the next 6yrs. i would say that if your son improves at this game, you'll be wanting him to attend a pg event.
ahh, winter on the bbweb, it can get nasty.
Perfect answer form one parent to another. That's all I wanted. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!