Not about baseball, but the underlying theme is the same..
100% agree with her. Its the one thing my son pretty much does, some form of baseball activity 6 or 7 days a week. Yes sometimes its only 20 minutes to hit off the tee or work on his arm program, but he's working on something every day.
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BTW, his programs unofficial motto is "somebody somewhere is outworking you."
This leads me to a question.. at what age did your boys really start focusing on their fitness levels?
In other words, they actually wanted to work out on their own?
Hard to know where to draw the line though. I keep prepping my son for the eventuality he will not be at the level of his dream school. Not that I don't believe in him I just think it is a tall order. He insists thats still where his sights are set. Then I have to tell him - again - that if this is what you truly want everyday you have to ask yourself, "what am I going to do TODAY to make myself a better baseball player?" Might be a workout. Might be yoga. Time in the cage. Long toss etc. Usually a combination. But when is enough enough? Do we want our 14yo or 15yo putting in 4 hours a day every single day on baseball? I am not saying we don't, just raising the question. Then comes the other reality... can't play multiple sports and still put that time in. Yesterday long toss 4:30 til 5. Cages were full so went upstairs early for his scheduled workout - otherwise would have hit next. Workout for about an 1:15. Drive 35 minutes home. Get home about 7ish. Get a bite and go to basketball practice from 7:30 to 9:30. Summer he will have hs football workouts, hs summer league basketball, AAU basketball, travel baseball and hs open gyms. How much can these kids reasonably do?
SoxIn7 posted:This leads me to a question.. at what age did your boys really start focusing on their fitness levels?
In other words, they actually wanted to work out on their own?
It just hit my son in 8th grade. I think it is 25% due to baseball and wanting to excel there and 75% because "girls" have started groping boys arms/legs/chest at school and giving their opinion on the hardness of said arms/legs/chest.
2020dad posted:Hard to know where to draw the line though. I keep prepping my son for the eventuality he will not be at the level of his dream school. Not that I don't believe in him I just think it is a tall order. He insists thats still where his sights are set. Then I have to tell him - again - that if this is what you truly want everyday you have to ask yourself, "what am I going to do TODAY to make myself a better baseball player?" Might be a workout. Might be yoga. Time in the cage. Long toss etc. Usually a combination. But when is enough enough? Do we want our 14yo or 15yo putting in 4 hours a day every single day on baseball? I am not saying we don't, just raising the question. Then comes the other reality... can't play multiple sports and still put that time in. Yesterday long toss 4:30 til 5. Cages were full so went upstairs early for his scheduled workout - otherwise would have hit next. Workout for about an 1:15. Drive 35 minutes home. Get home about 7ish. Get a bite and go to basketball practice from 7:30 to 9:30. Summer he will have hs football workouts, hs summer league basketball, AAU basketball, travel baseball and hs open gyms. How much can these kids reasonably do?
It is about coordination of activity. It drives me crazy to see my kid run/condition during baseball practice as he gets plenty of that from daily basketball. That is time better spent on baseball specific stuff -- hitting, throwing, etc.
So with multisport athletes, you should look to avoid duplication and try to multi-task your workouts for multiple sports.
SoxIn7 posted:This leads me to a question.. at what age did your boys really start focusing on their fitness levels?
In other words, they actually wanted to work out on their own?
I'll second this question and add to it. Does a prepubescent kid gain anything by "working out", I don't encourage lifting weights but I do suggest pushups, pullups, box jumps and such. Is there really an "age" where you need to be doing more then just baseball stuff like hitting and throwing?
Hopefully you read the article. She was talking about getting reps in shooting baskets. In the baseball world I would equate that to taking BP or hitting off a tee everyday.
2020dad posted:Hard to know where to draw the line though. I keep prepping my son for the eventuality he will not be at the level of his dream school. Not that I don't believe in him I just think it is a tall order. He insists thats still where his sights are set. Then I have to tell him - again - that if this is what you truly want everyday you have to ask yourself, "what am I going to do TODAY to make myself a better baseball player?" Might be a workout. Might be yoga. Time in the cage. Long toss etc. Usually a combination. But when is enough enough? Do we want our 14yo or 15yo putting in 4 hours a day every single day on baseball? I am not saying we don't, just raising the question. Then comes the other reality... can't play multiple sports and still put that time in. Yesterday long toss 4:30 til 5. Cages were full so went upstairs early for his scheduled workout - otherwise would have hit next. Workout for about an 1:15. Drive 35 minutes home. Get home about 7ish. Get a bite and go to basketball practice from 7:30 to 9:30. Summer he will have hs football workouts, hs summer league basketball, AAU basketball, travel baseball and hs open gyms. How much can these kids reasonably do?
Why do you keep saying that? Your son has years ahead of him to improve his game. Do you think that any of us knew when our kids were in 8th grade where they would end up? Why does an 8th grader have to worry about making himself better at 13?
So you tell us 2020dad, how much can kids reasonable do? Why does a 2020 have an hour and a half workout? After he just did long toss? Then basketball practice for 2 hours?
You situation sounds like my daughters boyfriend sons. No wonder he ended up on crutches for 6 weeks. And now is restricted for one sport at a time, with a bit of an overlap. His father just thought he was an athlete, when actually he was just a young boy with a growing body that was getting overworked.
I knew for a FACT that my son in 8th grade was
a knucklehead.
Shoveit4Ks posted:I knew for a FACT that my son in 8th grade was
a knucklehead.
Mine wanted to be the next David Copperfield. It was magic, 24/7. He used to put on shows for the neighborhood. He also wanted to be a golf pro, but he also loved baseball.
He didn't think about recruiting, or cared who was better than him, or who was going where. He played like he was a stud (though he wasn't) and just had lots of fun.
And that is how it should be.
SoxIn7 posted:This leads me to a question.. at what age did your boys really start focusing on their fitness levels?
In other words, they actually wanted to work out on their own?
Around 9th grade--when he signed up with a competent conditioning coach and his eyes were opened to the possibilities of what well directed, dedicated effort could achieve.
Until that time, he only thought he was working hard. Once he had proper oversight, he continuously revised upward his understanding of what it means to work hard.
CaCO3Girl posted:It just hit my son in 8th grade. I think it is 25% due to baseball and wanting to excel there and 75% because "girls" have started grouping boys arms/legs/chest at school and giving their opinion on the hardness of said arms/legs/chest.
I'm sorry, but this has to be the most laughable post I think I have ever read in 10 years here. On so many levels. SMH.
YoungGunDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:It just hit my son in 8th grade. I think it is 25% due to baseball and wanting to excel there and 75% because "girls" have started grouping boys arms/legs/chest at school and giving their opinion on the hardness of said arms/legs/chest.
I'm sorry, but this has to be the most laughable post I think I have ever read in 10 years here. On so many levels. SMH.
I fixed my spelling error, silly fast typing. But happy to amuse :- )
2020dad posted:Hard to know where to draw the line though. I keep prepping my son for the eventuality he will not be at the level of his dream school. Not that I don't believe in him I just think it is a tall order. He insists thats still where his sights are set. Then I have to tell him - again - that if this is what you truly want everyday you have to ask yourself, "what am I going to do TODAY to make myself a better baseball player?" Might be a workout. Might be yoga. Time in the cage. Long toss etc. Usually a combination. But when is enough enough? Do we want our 14yo or 15yo putting in 4 hours a day every single day on baseball? I am not saying we don't, just raising the question. Then comes the other reality... can't play multiple sports and still put that time in. Yesterday long toss 4:30 til 5. Cages were full so went upstairs early for his scheduled workout - otherwise would have hit next. Workout for about an 1:15. Drive 35 minutes home. Get home about 7ish. Get a bite and go to basketball practice from 7:30 to 9:30. Summer he will have hs football workouts, hs summer league basketball, AAU basketball, travel baseball and hs open gyms. How much can these kids reasonably do?
Hi Coach- I have to agree with Golfman here. Can your son break up his workout portion to limit the lateral movement exercises on his basketball nights? Meaning, isn't he getting enough start/stop and explosion work? I know it doesn't always work to sit out on certain drills if others are doing it. Just be watchful on what the 3.5 - 4 hours of work he's doing to the joints and muscles all the way up to Football season.
Basketball is monday wednesday thursday and saturday sometimes sunday. That doesnt leave a whole lot of days to work out. Works out 3 times a week. So tuesday is an automatic cause its open. Want to take day between workouts so thursday and sat or sun depending on basketball. So really just the one day - thursday - that he does basketball and a workout. Not optimal I know but there is so much time and thats it. Then of course actual baseball needs to be worked in there as well.
2020 You are right. My 2017 kid is working out and trying to gain weight, and he also plays basketball. It's really difficult. Practice or games 6 days a week, plus there is school, homework, friends, etc. He can't work out on game days because he feels that affects his ability to play, and it's hard to work out after practice, or before school on the day after a game, because he's so drained. And gaining weight - hard to do when you're burning that many calories. He's gained 5+ during the season, but he's still as lean as a greyhound.
JCG posted:2020 You are right. My 2017 kid is working out and trying to gain weight, and he also plays basketball. It's really difficult. Practice or games 6 days a week, plus there is school, homework, friends, etc. He can't work out on game days because he feels that affects his ability to play, and it's hard to work out after practice, or before school on the day after a game, because he's so drained. And gaining weight - hard to do when you're burning that many calories. He's gained 5+ during the season, but he's still as lean as a greyhound.
Big difference between 200 and a 2017 who is in prime recruiting time.
True that. Just agreeing that off-season training for baseball is not easy for multi-sport athletes. And yes, it's much more important for a 2017 HS student, and also much more difficult, as besides what's already been noted, it's by far the most important year of his HS academic career.
What age should a kid start working toward his goal? If you wait til you are a recruitable age you may never BE recruitable. 7 months from high school... yes definitely time to be putting forth as much effort as possible.
