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"Good Academics"

D dswann100+ posts
Good Academics

I see this quite often in threads.... What does it mean?

I understand there are "Top Academic" programs and "Good Academic" programs, are there "Bad Academic" programs. And if so, who are they. Moreover if your at a "Top Academic " program and C*** the proverbial sheets, is the school, "Top', "Good" or "Bad". Conversley if you graduate at the top of your class from a "Good" or "Bad" program, could that be considered a "Top Academic " program. Or just top of your class in a "Bad Academic" program.

Will a "Top Academic" program translate to more job opportunities upon graduation, with your "Baseball Major" or simply afford the player the option to pursue the major of his choice, or both. Do players in " Good Academic" and "Bad Academic" programs have less flexibility in pursuing a desired major?

If a "Top Academic " program allows admission to a player who would not typically qualify, are they a program thats just trying to compete? Or by lowering their standards, have sank to the depths of "Good Academics". And if a player could be admitted into a "Top Academic" program and settles for a "Good" or "Bad" program will the school get a bump in it's academic reputation.
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B BobbleheadDoll5,000+ posts
DSW you are making life way too complicated. The truth is all combinations could happen. A great student could go to a "bad school" and end up running a top company. When you sit in front of a Human Resource guy in a company he will judge you based on their needs and your impression you make. Academics + a sport means you can handle the rigors of college demands. An HR might not have even heard of your college. They will test those who seem to meet their requirements and their test will be more important than anything. An out going flamboyant guy won't do well in a controlled environment but he may be able to head the marketing dept of a major US company.
My advice is pick a college you will enjoy and that meets your needs. Your marks might have a slight glancing importance but it comes down to what the HRs think of you and just like college how you fit.
G gamefan100+ posts
I think it's important to note that a person is changed in the four years he/she is away at school. So, more important than the label or the name of the college, is perhaps the influence it, and the people if its community, has on you. So if a student asks himself, "where will I be four years from now" that statement has to include "who will I be after being here for four years."

That is why the "fit" of the school can be more important than the "name" of the school. In an interview, the name of the school you attend is obvious. How you present yourself is why you spend 10 minutes or 60 minutes in the interview itself.
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biggerpapibiggerpapi5,000+ posts
As convuluted as dswann's point is, that's how I feel as my 2011 begins looking for a college. What makes a top, good or bad college? What makes a top, good or bad baseball school?

As confusing as all of this is, I'm confident that as we visit, research, ask questions, etc that one day the lightbulb will go off over our heads and we'll know we found the right fit.
B BobbleheadDoll5,000+ posts
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As confusing as all of this is, I'm confident that as we visit, research, ask questions, etc that one day the lightbulb will go off over our heads and we'll know we found the right fit.



Yes you have to do the research. No one can answer that question because it is individual to the player.
There are so many good colleges out there that you have to do the work and decide which one you want to take a chance on. So many things can turn a good choice into a very unhappy experience,
We put location as out number one requirement and felt that a solid education was available for undergrad work at most if not all NCAA colleges.
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
The bottom line in all of this is that work as hard as you can on the field and in the classroom to get the most of whatever opportunity you are looking for.

All programs are different, in academics and in baseball. An Ivy league player may have more challenges in the class than on the field, a top baseball state school player may have more challenges on the field than in the class. Lots depends on the individual.

The bottom line is that it is not always easy to accomplish both (play sports and go to school full time). This does make one attractive in his/her job search. However, in the end, realize that there are many many students out there who are student athletes,some who played multiple sports, all applying for the same jobs.

JMO.
ClevelandDadClevelandDadHSBBWeb Administrator
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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
As convuluted as dswann's point is, that's how I feel as my 2011 begins looking for a college. What makes a top, good or bad college? What makes a top, good or bad baseball school?

As confusing as all of this is, I'm confident that as we visit, research, ask questions, etc that one day the lightbulb will go off over our heads and we'll know we found the right fit.

This ain't rocket science or brain surgery. You don't need the hsbbweb nor the opinions expressed here to make a good decision imho. Thus, don't let what is written here cause any consternation or confusion on your part.

Recruiting is two simple ingredients - talent plus exposure. Missing either piece and your baseball career ends in high school. After a player has had some exposure and they see what types of intstitutions are recruiting them, then they can do their homework and decide if that institution is also an adequate fit. Many things can be figured out over the Internet these days in a few hours. Other things can be figured out by visiting the campuses. I don't see what is complicated or confusing about that. Some places have very impressive bricks and mortar. Other places might be better from a cultural standpoint. It is up to the student (with help from their parents) to figure that out.
B Blprkfrnks100+ posts
<<Recruiting is two simple ingredients - talent plus exposure. Missing either piece and your baseball career ends in high school.>>

This is written a lot on this site. Sometimes I think this site should be renamed "college and pro baseball web". I realize the majority of posters here have experienced their kids continuing on with baseball in college and pros, but many fall short of that for a variety of reasons. Some don't have the money for exposure, some don't showcase well, some find baseball isn't fun any more, some want to experience a variety of things in college, and some are just short on talent.

Baseball can continue for those not recruited, as most towns now have Adult Men's Rec. Leagues, many colleges have intramural teams, and in the last 5 years, well organized Club Baseball in Colleges has really become popular, culminating with a national championship.
ClevelandDadClevelandDadHSBBWeb Administrator
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Sometimes I think this site should be renamed "college and pro baseball web"

Bob Howdeshell named it the hsbbweb but the reason he started it was for college recruiting of baseball players. His son Andy was a D1 college player and later pro. Almost all the site articles that are linked are dedicated to college recruiting.

Look, if people are more concerned with academics, I am not sure why they even hang around this site. If a kid or parent no longer finds themselves involved/interested with baseball, then I can see why hanging around here might not be worth their time anymore. At the end of the day however, this is a baseball site. I hope we don't have to start apologizing for that
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L Loveumbb10+ posts
My nephew only chose one school which he actively went after himself. This was the school that he felt best suited him academically but also felt he had a very good shot at playing for.

He narrowed his list by looking at the following: average test scores, academic programs that interested him, rosters by position and class. Notice Academics were first.

To be honest, if it feels right, the kids know.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
Where a kid attends college may open doors for certain grad schools or initial job offers. But it doesn't mean the kid who attended Timbuktu State can't kick down the door. After a few years of work experience it's not where you went to college, it's what have you done professionally. I would argue it may be more beneficial to attend a large college with a huge alumni base for contacts over a smaller elite school with a small alumni base. The saying is you can't swing a dead cat anywhere in the world without hitting a Penn State alumnus (enrollment 43,000 main campus/80,000 overall).
B Blprkfrnks100+ posts
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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
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Sometimes I think this site should be renamed "college and pro baseball web"

Bob Howdeshell named it the hsbbweb but the reason he started it was for college recruiting of baseball players. His son Andy was a D1 college player and later pro. Almost all the site articles that are linked are dedicated to college recruiting.

Look, if people are more concerned with academics, I am not sure why they even hang around this site. If a kid or parent no longer finds themselves involved/interested with baseball, then I can see why hanging around here might not be worth their time anymore. At the end of the day however, this is a baseball site. I hope we don't have to start apologizing for that


My comment was meant to address that there are other avenues for continuing baseball. This site has been and is an invaluable resource. Even if my son does not go on to play in college or in the pros, he and I can rest assured that we followed a good plan based on information from this website to put him in a position to be recruited.

However, I believe some players can be more interested in academics and still play baseball at the next level. There are plenty of posters here that haven't reached the point of making that choice yet, or finding that proper balance between academics and baseball. If the choice or reality is that college or pro baseball isn't going to happen, then I agree that those people probably won't hang around.
W workinghard100+ posts
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However, I believe some players can be more interested in academics and still play baseball at the next level. There are plenty of posters here that haven't reached the point of making that choice yet, or finding that proper balance between academics and baseball. If the choice or reality is that college or pro baseball isn't going to happen, then I agree that those people probably won't hang around.

Excellent points Blp-
In the big picture of recruiting, as been stated so many times, without taking care of business in the class room, a lot of the doors will be closed. There are many who feel academics or more important than baseball and it should be that way, but as long as they still have the dream of playing while getting an education, this site has some very valuable info as we all know. No apologizing necessary!

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