Painguy, that post leads me to understand that you need a better comprehension of swing plane.....
Also, your mention of linear leads me to believe you have lagged in your understanding of how the body needs to move in a high level swing....
You would do well to forget about mechanics and begin thinking about body angles and movement....
The hands and wrists can whip the bat very quickly.....Problem is they can't produce enough power because they won't be taking advantage of the shoulder linkage....And, without the arms they can't get on the right swing plane....
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
The hands and wrists can whip the bat very quickly.....Problem is they can't produce enough power because they won't be taking advantage of the shoulder linkage
This statement is contradictory.
When it comes to hitting, "whip" is synonymous with "power".
From the whip comes the power (in the form of bat speed).
In physics terms, the relevant equation is F=MA. Since M (the mass of the bat) is constant as is the length of the bat (one component of A), the only variable that alters F (the Force) is the rate at which the head of the bat is traveling.
The muscles of the hands and wrists simply cannot whip the bat as quickly as the muscles of the torso can due to the size of the muscles involved. As I said, this is made clear by the lag position that the bat assumes. The bat lags because the muscles of the hands and wrists are not strong enough to enable the bat to do anything else.
The bat is then whipped out into the path of the ball by the rotation of the shoulders, to which the hands and arms are linked.
quote:The bat is then whipped out into the path of the ball by the rotation of the shoulders, to which the hands and arms are linked.
Pain, you are about two years behind.....
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:The bat is then whipped out into the path of the ball by the rotation of the shoulders, to which the hands and arms are linked.
Pain, you are about two years behind.....
So then where does the whip come from?
bluedog
With all your knowledge why arent you coaching in the bigs ????
Those millionaire .250 hitters could use your help
With all your knowledge why arent you coaching in the bigs ????
Those millionaire .250 hitters could use your help
quote:Originally posted by NYdad:
Many tend to misinterpret short to the ball as being straight to the ball.
Agreed.
quote:Originally posted by SBK:
Check again... It looks like the ball is by his left foot.
Now I see the ball.
I agree that he was badly fooled or that he mostly missed the ball (and drove it into the ground).
I still don't think this is a bad swing, just a bad result due to a good pitch.
As far as the Griffey example, it is a very bad swing. No big deal! Everyone takes a bad swing when they are fooled on a pitch by either timing or location. We can't confuse an individual bad swing as an example of a player's technique.
People get too hung up on a "bad swing". Some people also like to use a "bad swing" from a player to show that the player is doing something that reinforces their agenda.
My primary reason for starting this post was to expose the Lau group for using a bad example to push their agenda. It seems that they are given a free ride. If a hitter like Griffey uses the technique they espouse, his swing technique would more like his "bad swing" picture and nobody would have ever known him.
As stated over and over by a few, .... there are a handful of things that almost all the best hitters do and one of these is to not take the hands directly to the ball.
Now don't take my word for this or Bluedog and the others here that at least got this basic but important piece of the hitting puzzle figured out. And don't believe the Lau group or others who say you should take your knob and hands directly to the all.
And for crying out loud, don't look at one isolated picture of anyone and deem it proof of anything. Just get off your lazy rear and watch many clips at many angles and figure it out for yourself.
And then when you do and figure out what is going on, be smart enough to question everything that the group that has been misleading you on this point tells you.
People get too hung up on a "bad swing". Some people also like to use a "bad swing" from a player to show that the player is doing something that reinforces their agenda.
My primary reason for starting this post was to expose the Lau group for using a bad example to push their agenda. It seems that they are given a free ride. If a hitter like Griffey uses the technique they espouse, his swing technique would more like his "bad swing" picture and nobody would have ever known him.
As stated over and over by a few, .... there are a handful of things that almost all the best hitters do and one of these is to not take the hands directly to the ball.
Now don't take my word for this or Bluedog and the others here that at least got this basic but important piece of the hitting puzzle figured out. And don't believe the Lau group or others who say you should take your knob and hands directly to the all.
And for crying out loud, don't look at one isolated picture of anyone and deem it proof of anything. Just get off your lazy rear and watch many clips at many angles and figure it out for yourself.
And then when you do and figure out what is going on, be smart enough to question everything that the group that has been misleading you on this point tells you.
A lot of good clips. Don't forget about the daddy, father and mentor and my friend#30 on the World Series Champion Big Red Machine!!!
Shep(Left) and Griffey(right) Wonder who had the best homerun story??? Some of my stories pales in comparison to the one Griff told me about when he and Junior had back to back homeruns for Seattle as father/son teammates. Griff told me his went about forty more feet further than Junior's HR
Let's don't forget about the ole school player's like Griffey Sr. Anybody have some good ole clips of Griffey Sr?? peace shep
I watched that game Shep, SR and JR both going yard.
What a memory for those 2.
I remember walking around the old King Dome with my little guy right next to me.
And would be the only one's out in the upper decks.
And JR would look up at us all by are selfs.
He did not wave, But you knew he was looking right at us.
I miss those days, it was fun.
EH
What a memory for those 2.
I remember walking around the old King Dome with my little guy right next to me.
And would be the only one's out in the upper decks.
And JR would look up at us all by are selfs.
He did not wave, But you knew he was looking right at us.
I miss those days, it was fun.
EH
EH
Ken was probably giving your little one his prayers and blessings when he was looking your way:>
Ken is that kind of person. A class act and a gentleman in every sense of the word.
He didn't say in that story he told me a couple of weeks ago what stadium he and Junior hit the back to back, but I believe it was in the Angels Stadium.
Peace My Brother,
Shep
Ken was probably giving your little one his prayers and blessings when he was looking your way:>
Ken is that kind of person. A class act and a gentleman in every sense of the word.
He didn't say in that story he told me a couple of weeks ago what stadium he and Junior hit the back to back, but I believe it was in the Angels Stadium.
Peace My Brother,
Shep
Yes I watched on TV. It was one of those History in the making moment's.
You could tell JR was on cloud nine playing with his Father.
And I'm sure the feeling was mutual.
EH
You could tell JR was on cloud nine playing with his Father.
And I'm sure the feeling was mutual.
EH
Griffey JR was always the Kid to me.
Young and could hit, and played the Outfield with such grace and at times with reckless abandoned, I think that's why he gets hurt sometimes.
There wasn't a ball he didn't think he could catch? .
He Made it look easy?
He owned Seattle,
He left us with a lot of good Memorys.
EH
Young and could hit, and played the Outfield with such grace and at times with reckless abandoned, I think that's why he gets hurt sometimes.
There wasn't a ball he didn't think he could catch? .
He Made it look easy?
He owned Seattle,
He left us with a lot of good Memorys.
EH
Lau Jr has tweaked Sr's system so it is nicely compatible with the MLB swing pattern.
If you follow the Lau formula, he gets the right type of extension sequence with a long radius/off the plate type swing necessitated by his lead arm extension/top hand release type action.
He emphasizes hip rotation and gets good torso coil by his focus on prevention of "top hand dominance" by open top hand drill and pulling knob with lead arm, not shoulder turn. "Top hand dominance" is arm action that interrupts torso coiling and forces loss of "early batspeed" and means lack of adequate swing quickness and adjustability.
He understands the need for in/out adjustment in this type of swing which requires more weight shift TO not against front leg for outside location.
Peavy's system is very similar, see Peavynet.com and likewise fine for learning the mlb pattern.
Lau uses his "trademark" cues - "front foot hitting" and "lead arm extension/top hand release" to then take credit for any hitter who EITHER gets off back foot or releases top hand. This si over the top, but a good marketing ploy.
So, for example, he says Bonds is doing what he says becasue he has top hand release even though he is a "back foot hitter".
Jr has said he thinks Bonds would be better if he got off the back foot more.
I think that is stretching it a little.
If you follow the Lau formula, he gets the right type of extension sequence with a long radius/off the plate type swing necessitated by his lead arm extension/top hand release type action.
He emphasizes hip rotation and gets good torso coil by his focus on prevention of "top hand dominance" by open top hand drill and pulling knob with lead arm, not shoulder turn. "Top hand dominance" is arm action that interrupts torso coiling and forces loss of "early batspeed" and means lack of adequate swing quickness and adjustability.
He understands the need for in/out adjustment in this type of swing which requires more weight shift TO not against front leg for outside location.
Peavy's system is very similar, see Peavynet.com and likewise fine for learning the mlb pattern.
Lau uses his "trademark" cues - "front foot hitting" and "lead arm extension/top hand release" to then take credit for any hitter who EITHER gets off back foot or releases top hand. This si over the top, but a good marketing ploy.
So, for example, he says Bonds is doing what he says becasue he has top hand release even though he is a "back foot hitter".
Jr has said he thinks Bonds would be better if he got off the back foot more.
I think that is stretching it a little.
IMHO, I just don't see Griffey, Bonds etc. as linear hitters. Of course, who am I? Of course, this is a pretty good demonstration of extension.
That's one heck of an outfield
peace shep
If the hitters shoulders are pointed at load to other than second base, the initiation has to be circular. If the shoulders are dead at second, they would not, you would see a more "linear" approach.
Nonsense.
Ya gotta love those one word answers....I know I do!!!...
