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This may have been discussed, so I apologize in advance if this is a re-post. But, I have to ask..... Are you kiddin' ME?

This is not about politics, parents v. coaches, etc. I know how hard it is to have a job where everyone wants to complain, have their input, and hold you accountable. As a matter of fact, maybe I don't really have anything to complain about, should shut-up and thank my blessings. GED10 is on varsity, has been since he was a freshman. He starts/plays in every game. So why am I complaining?

Here's my problem:
The varsity has been given several deadlines and assignments over the past week. I have no problem with deadlines or assignments, I am a BIG fan of life lessons in baseball!! Players have been instructed to get to practice on time, have their equipment at every practice, be at early morning weight training workouts, and to "turn in" certain fundraising items by a certain date.

GED10 is usually the first player at practice, 30 minutes early, dressed and ready to go. He usually beats the coaches to the field. He has not missed an early morning workout, has his equipment, and has turned in all his required fundraising items, most of them early. Most of the team has been pretty good about their stuff, with the exception of a few. Ironically, the players who routinely don't take care of their stuff, are the guys the coaches have deemed "leaders" on the team.

Running giant triangles has been the preferred discipline of the week and apparently since the team has had to run 4 times this week, for the same players, the old-school desired result of peer accountability has not been successful. To add fuel to the fire, there have been "zero" additional concessions for the guys who repeatedly let their teammates down. No bench time, not substitution, etc. Just business as usual after the punishment. On two seperate occasions, the coaches have told the rest of the team the two main players who don't take care of business have been singled out as the only two on the team who have been "getting it done".

Now I have coached youth sports for 14 years, but I'm not a HS coach. I've never had to put food on my family's table thru coaching, although I get paid for what I do now in baseball. I consider myself a pretty intelligent guy, pretty BB savvy, but FOLKS - I don't get it!

Where am I missing it?? I know all the cliches, the reasons/rationals of the concept, but the only thing being accomplished at the "team" level is group discipline and conditioning!!! LOL

These guys don't care about social consequencies, they have each other and the coaches to clown with. They could care less about their teammates. Maybe when all else fails, and you can no longer use sound coaching concepts, group discipline is all you got left?

Sorry for the rant.... I'll concede the soap box to the next poster now.

GED10Dad
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I guess I have to hand it to our coaches. One of our players missed conditioning, not sure of the reason, but he made it up over the weekend. If a player is late, 10 pushups for every minute for that player. If a player forgets his stuff, he gets to run around the field while everyone else practices. Most of this kind of stuff happens on the JV squad. Seems like they ought to be over that when they get to varsity.

There was one instance where I saw group punishment. About 3 years ago, the varsity players didn't care for one of the assistant coaches - a newbie barely older than they were. So several of them shaved their heads, and taped the hair underneath the door handles to the coach's car so that when he opened his door....

They all did some running that day. Big Grin Even the one who was the first pick in the 4th round of that year's MLB draft. And I don't think he was even part of the prank. But then, running was never a problem for him anyway. Smile
Seems the coaching staff has no backbone or no clue and use group discipline as a copout. If the coaches already know who thhe guilty players are, they should be singling them out. They may be insecure and are afraid they'll rock the boat with these 'production players'.

IMO, the only way group discipline should even be enforced is if there was an infraction and the coach don't have a name and the players don't want to rat out somebody. Then, group discipline is the best way. Then the guilty players will have to deal with the rest of their teammates.
Sounds like the politics of the school maybe. Are they booster, PTO or teachers kids? We have had a PTO/Booster parents kid get away with a lot. This is a sport not baseball but I think the same applies to all High School Activities. During practice he would be focused and run the plays,as designed. During a game this kid became a one man team, a ball hogging showboat with never a tought of his team mates. If he could have carried if off maybe ok but he missed more than he scored while others remained open. Punishment at practice for this behavior was to the whole team for not playing as a unit. His paperwork and fundraising was never handled by him because parent was Presidnet of Boosters/PTO & a teacher at school. Its not right or fair its just the way it is.
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I think some of it is favoritism, first. And then a lack of character to actually address the issue with the problem kids, not everyone.

I guess I should define "getting it done" as working hard in practice. We are only a few scrimmages and an Alumni game into the season so far. Both players are at the top of the stats in K's and less than productive AB's. Plus the SS has 6 errors so far. So, they are not giving much production.

Of course, they don't have to try very hard in the current situation to get the coaches praise.

GED10DaD
GED,

Been there, doing that.

However, you are a good parent, and your son is a great kid. Not all kids have work ethic or conscience. Kids with extreme talent or inside relationships can get away with it - for a while. Then the next level will come and they will be way behind. They will slip up and get beat out or change, bottom line.

It is life, we see it not only on sports teams but in business, in the classroom, even in charity organizations.

My advice? As a player you have one thing you can control, your actions and reactions to all this. I can see that your son has a good head on his shoulders. Is he complaining or does he do as most of our kids would do and just tough it out?

All of our kids will face this eventually, somewhere in life. Those that perservere will be the successful ones.
Several years ago, ESPN produced a documentary on Japan HS Baseball.

Every Japan HS and youth coach needs to obtain permission from the Federation to coach the young players. This is the same in Korea, Australia and China. Australia has a tribunal hearing for "infractions" from the coach or player.

There is no perfect situation. However "common sense" must be used by players, parents, officials and coaches. You may consider forming a informal group; consisting on one coach, one parent, one professional [CPA, Attorney or businessman] and one player. Goal and objective: to improve the team.

Bob Williams
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Originally posted by Hawk19:
GED10
One of the other parents commented that he wished the seniors would hustle like the freshman and play like the sophs...


This probably happens in a lot of high schools because the only thing on the seniors mind is the prom, graduation and whatever comes their way being in their last year of school. By senior year, they can't wait to get out. With baseball season starting in the spring and the prom going on during the season and graduation around the corner, it's easy to see why the seniors tend to be more lax than the undergrads. Add in that the freshman and sophs are still trying to prove themselves while seniors are established and paid their dues.
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Originally posted by Hawk19:
GED10 - What size school is this?

We are a large school 5A program in one of the new Texas SUPER districts. 10 teams total, with 2 from Amarillo, 3 from Lubbock, 4 from Midland/Odessa and 1 from San Angelo. Our district covers 5 1/2 to 6 hrs driving time from the panhandle to the farthest south.

Sounds crazy? GED10DaD
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Originally posted by Backstop-17:
....Is he complaining or does he do as most of our kids would do and just tough it out?

Backstop, thanks for the nice comments on GED10, he is a good boy.

He's handling it better than I am, he just runs... then gears-up for practice. He does not say alot anyway, but I think he'd take a bullet for that guy! He just says "Yes sir" when I tell him to work hard and be respectful. I know he'll be stronger for it (and better conditioned - LOL) its just such a waste and there are zero TEAM productivity from it.

But today is a new day, let's play 2!?! GED10DaD
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GunEmDad,

Sounds like your son has a good work ethic and good level head on his shoulders. Continue to encourage him to take care of those things in his life, i.e. baseball team, academics, etc. that he can control and not worry about these teammates who aren't pulling their own weight. I understand your frustration with the coach and his M.O. of group discipline but for what it's worth - drop it. Your son is watching how you aren't handling something that you yourself have no control over.

How he handles these little issues will help him later should he want to play college ball. How do I know? Younggunson was suppose to pitch in relief this past summer in the 2nd game of his DH against the #8 ranked JUCO team in the country. He was chomping at the bit. He never stepped foot on the mound. When he got home I asked him what happened that I was expecting him to throw. He said just before he was to pitch the Head Coach told him he wasn't pitching that day because he failed to shave before the game and the next time it would be a 3-game suspension. Tough lesson to learn but Younggunson knew the rules and failed to abide by them. I commend the Coach for sticking by his guns to teach my son (and maybe other players) discipline.

Enjoy the season for it will be over before you know it!
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Originally posted by Doughnutman:
It is amazing how some kids have to "pay their dues" and others just play. Might have to do with talent. Big Grin


I gotta disagree somewhat. I have also seen players handed the job too soon and not handle it too well. There's no question about talent but often young players aren't mature enough yet to play with the big boys and just step right in. They got the skill but aren't varsity ready. The high school season is relatively short. A young kid losing their confidence could cost the team quite a few games if he's a central figure in a key position. That's what junior varsity is there for. To develop their game mentally and phisically.I wouldn't put every frosh or soph in that category because if they can play and have shown they're ready to step right in, then they play at the highest level.
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Many coaches punish as a team, I am not saying that is right or wrong, but usually those that follow the rules but have to share punishment put peer pressure on those that need to shape up. It is especially hard when those that are not taking care of business are needed to field a good team. Some may not agree but that is how I see it. Maybe he is waiting for them to come together as a team. You can't do that unless you hash it all out.

We also have to remember that most HS baseball players do not go onto play after HS. This is an extra curricular activity for most, so don't expect others to be fanatics and as serious about the game like most of us here, or our sons. Big Grin

I remember in HS one of the players got kicked off the team, he has messed up too many times for another chance. Some of the players got together and decided that he was needed that year, went to the coach and took personal responsibility for straightening up the player. Never a problem after that, and the team did well that year.

JMO.

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