Well, ole hot-head got tossed again last night. He once, called a reporter's question to him a "Clown question." Oh, yeah, "Bro." He is ranked as one of the most hated guys in baseball. One of his own pitchers tried to beat him down in the dugout one game for not playing the game right.
He's arrogant, self-centered and immature. Unfortunately, the Phillies paid over 300 million dollars to keep that guy in baseball.
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Arrieta called him out after the game last night, saying that kind of thing can't happen, that the whole team needs everybody on board etc
All true. Harper could have handled the situation better. The umpires strike zone (I hate using that term) was not where it normally is. The umpire had a high strike zone, and everybody dealt with it just fine including the Mets who won 5-1 against a Harperless Phillies team for half the game.
The announcers brought up the topic of a computer generated strike zone, and they are equally divided as we are on HSBBWeb. Bottom line is Harper has to adjust to whatever the strike zone happens to be that day, and control his temper. He is supposed to be a professional.
3and2Fastball posted:Arrieta called him out after the game last night, saying that kind of thing can't happen, that the whole team needs everybody on board etc
Mmm. That’s true. Arrieta did what was right there.
Harpers post game press conference he said the same. also from reports the ejection was quick and not needed...all in all nobody looks good after last night.
3and2Fastball posted:Arrieta called him out after the game last night, saying that kind of thing can't happen, that the whole team needs everybody on board etc
Arrietta:
The dugout was flat. The defense wasn't good. Didn't throw the ball well as a staff overall. We got beat. We started at 8:45. I don't think our guys were ready to play. We've got to come out tomorrow ready to play. It's troubling, yeah. I'm out there doing everything I can to win a game. I need my guys behind me, and they weren't."
I have no idea how well either Arrietta or Harper are liked in the Philadelphia dugout but I’m thinking Jake went a bit far there.
I have more problems with his haircut. He looks like Wolfman.
Here is his strikeout...
JCG posted:3and2Fastball posted:Arrieta called him out after the game last night, saying that kind of thing can't happen, that the whole team needs everybody on board etc
Arrietta:
The dugout was flat. The defense wasn't good. Didn't throw the ball well as a staff overall. We got beat. We started at 8:45. I don't think our guys were ready to play. We've got to come out tomorrow ready to play. It's troubling, yeah. I'm out there doing everything I can to win a game. I need my guys behind me, and they weren't."
I have no idea how well either Arrietta or Harper are liked in the Philadelphia dugout but I’m thinking Jake went a bit far there.
Arrietta certainly has some issues...he is a pitcher so by nature he needs to be selfish a little bit. That being said he should learn to shut his mouth once in awhile. It would help him. If you notice over time Jake seems to have a bigger problems with his support when he is giving 450 footers. Still a productive pitcher but yea he has his issues.
who do you think the dugout is going to get behind, a 26 year old with a 13 year contract who plays everyday or the 33 yr old pitcher entering a free agent year unless the Phillies guarantee a 60M extension who shows up every 5th day?
stayfocused posted:Here is his strikeout...
He was pissed about the #4 borderline called strike...get over it. What really set him off was a called strike (that was a ball) against his teammate. That started the chirping and eventually led to his blow-up and dismissal.
Kinda seems like that's how it always goes Fenway. It's like what happens when a high school player is called back to the plate for leaning into a curve ball? Ha ha ha. There is THAT parent who just knows that the call was rigged and rides the umpire for the rest of the night, bugging the fire out of people who know the rule. I think sociologists call it confirmation bias.
I don't know whether ball/strike calls are getting worse or if I'm paying closer attention, but it seems that almost every at-bat has at least one pitch called wrong. The difference between a 1-2 count and a 2-1 count (etc) is huge, so it's no wonder either the batter or pitcher is getting pissed off.
I'm a big traditionalist but I've come around to liking the idea of automated strike calling similar to what they do in tennis. Maybe give each team a handful of challenges. This really cleaned up the bad calls and angst on the bases.
Last week son threw an inning against Arkansas, 5 pitches were called balls... after review the next day on trackman, 4 of the 5 were strikes.
bacdorslider posted:Last week son threw an inning against Arkansas, 5 pitches were called balls... after review the next day on trackman, 4 of the 5 were strikes.
Exact opposite in HS. Pitches that are obvious outside balls are called strikes, and I'm pretty sure that there IS NOT an inside 1/3 of any plate we've thrown to this year.
Older boy (Sr. at D1) was working with Freshman in HS hitting this Christmas. He says "I'd get you out every time, I'd just throw inside". I stopped him and asked "How many inside pitches did you throw in HS that were trying to get strikes, as opposed to backing someone up?" He said "good point dad".
HS kids rarely pitch inside because the white line in the other batter's box can be "earned". This is from a pitcher and hitters dad.
There are many bad calls and harper has a good eye but I also got the feeling he likes to take borderline pitches and intimidate umps to call them in his favor. I wouldn't call harper an idiot but he definitely argues calls a lot. Sometimes he is right but sometimes he also argues balls that are clearly on the black.
That is not dumb of course, getting those borderline pitches called in your favor make a huge difference especially in one strike counts. The 3 pitches in that AB were close but looked ok. Harper probably just hoped one of them was called the other way, probably they weren't in his favored location to hit.
That plays a role too. Guys with polarized swing patterns who basically want to "sit out" pitches to their hole in their swing will be more pissed when borderline pitches are called there than if they get a pitch that is borderline but in their wheelhouse. If a pitcher executes pitches to your weakness well and you get nothing close to your wheelhouse that can get frustrating.
Ohhh. So, that's why I used to argue that every pitch was a ball.
Jake's pep talk apparently didn't do a whole lot of good. The Phillies look like crap tonight.
Teaching Elder posted:Kinda seems like that's how it always goes Fenway. It's like what happens when a high school player is called back to the plate for leaning into a curve ball? Ha ha ha. There is THAT parent who just knows that the call was rigged and rides the umpire for the rest of the night, bugging the fire out of people who know the rule. I think sociologists call it confirmation bias.
Sorry get off track, yes you are correct. It the stupidest rule in baseball and top 5 for any sport. A really good umpire will never make this call.
JCG posted:Jake's pep talk apparently didn't do a whole lot of good. The Phillies look like crap tonight.
Very hard for pitchers to be the team motivators. Regular players don't look at them the same as other players, not in a better or worse way. Just in a different way.
old_school posted:Teaching Elder posted:Kinda seems like that's how it always goes Fenway. It's like what happens when a high school player is called back to the plate for leaning into a curve ball? Ha ha ha. There is THAT parent who just knows that the call was rigged and rides the umpire for the rest of the night, bugging the fire out of people who know the rule. I think sociologists call it confirmation bias.
Sorry get off track, yes you are correct. It the stupidest rule in baseball and top 5 for any sport. A really good umpire will never make this call.
Did call some games and went to a clinic run by guys that went to the MLB school in FL. When we discussed this rule one of them said this:
If the ball is in the batters box that is on the pitcher - send them to 1st base.
Simple and if the defensive coach starts complaining he leaned into it - just say these words: Coach - the ball was in the batters box - where did you want him to go?
It happened to me that this argument eventually occurred - and I repeated the words above. Argument over and no hurt feelings. The look on his face was hysterical and his catcher said to me after we resumed - Good one Blue. I had a small chuckle on that.
I never once saw a batter even flinch much less go hunting a pitch over the plate to wear it. Saw dozens of them hold their ground in the box and get plunked - every one of them went to 1st base.
luv baseball posted:old_school posted:Teaching Elder posted:
Did call some games and went to a clinic run by guys that went to the MLB school in FL. When we discussed this rule one of them said this:
If the ball is in the batters box that is on the pitcher - send them to 1st base.
Simple and if the defensive coach starts complaining he leaned into it - just say these words: Coach - the ball was in the batters box - where did you want him to go?
It happened to me that this argument eventually occurred - and I repeated the words above. Argument over and no hurt feelings. The look on his face was hysterical and his catcher said to me after we resumed - Good one Blue. I had a small chuckle on that.
I never once saw a batter even flinch much less go hunting a pitch over the plate to wear it. Saw dozens of them hold their ground in the box and get plunked - every one of them went to 1st base.
and the game moved on and we live happily ever after!
luv baseball posted:old_school posted:Teaching Elder posted:Kinda seems like that's how it always goes Fenway. It's like what happens when a high school player is called back to the plate for leaning into a curve ball? Ha ha ha. There is THAT parent who just knows that the call was rigged and rides the umpire for the rest of the night, bugging the fire out of people who know the rule. I think sociologists call it confirmation bias.
Sorry get off track, yes you are correct. It the stupidest rule in baseball and top 5 for any sport. A really good umpire will never make this call.
Did call some games and went to a clinic run by guys that went to the MLB school in FL. When we discussed this rule one of them said this:
If the ball is in the batters box that is on the pitcher - send them to 1st base.
Simple and if the defensive coach starts complaining he leaned into it - just say these words: Coach - the ball was in the batters box - where did you want him to go?
It happened to me that this argument eventually occurred - and I repeated the words above. Argument over and no hurt feelings. The look on his face was hysterical and his catcher said to me after we resumed - Good one Blue. I had a small chuckle on that.
I never once saw a batter even flinch much less go hunting a pitch over the plate to wear it. Saw dozens of them hold their ground in the box and get plunked - every one of them went to 1st base.
There is an argument for both. I think if it is in the batters box it is the pitchers fault but there are also coaches who basically punish guys who duck hit by pitches or even encourage them to lean into it. This helps the teams on base percentage but isn't great for player safety.
A hit by pitch is dangerous and batters should try to duck it and not "take one for the team". If you are too liberal with HBPs as an ump you are helping coaches who encourage taking one for the team ultimately hurting player health.
But on the other hand you also don't want to encourage pitchers to throw too many inside (out of the strike zone) pitches which hurts batter safety too.
Dom - Never umpired anything above HS so safety had more priority particularly in youth ball. The younger they went the more they worked outside. Not many 10 year olds have the kind of control to work in - and when they hit someone quite a few get pretty rattled by it.
At HS though most good pitchers are running low 80's to 85 and any breaking ball is mid 70's tops. I did not see ton of fastballs riding high or too far in - it did happen and batters reflexively bailed. As I said in my post dozens of hitters did stand fast and 90% were spinners that just kind of started in and never went anywhere. There were some coaches with the "ATTA Boy!" kind of stuff but my job was calling what I saw and not getting wrapped up with coaches or their style. I would confess to being a little less likely to be patient if noise came my way from those guys though.
There were a few batters who were looking away and got the fastball boring in and kind of froze in an oh crap kind of way and at the last moment rolled or turned their head away from the pitch. Blessedly I never had a batter take one in the noggin. There were a few that got it on the shoulder pretty high. None of them were so brave IMO that they did it on purpose with fastballs.
