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Have you seen this and what would your call be?

LauraZALauraZA100+ posts
We had an interesting play in my son's JV game last night. He got a hit and was replaced by a runner (he's the catcher). There were two outs in the inning. The next batter gets up and hits a home run. The man on base obviously didn't know there were two outs so he holds up. The home run hitter passes second before the first runner and then finally waits up before he touches third. I wonder if any of you will make the same call as the umpires...

By the way we still won 9-1 and my son went 2-3 with a HR, 2B and 4 RBI's.
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AntzDadAntzDad1,000+ posts
I think this is how it goes...

If the ball is hit over the fence, the baserunner scores and the batter is out, credited with RBI single. Tim McCarver did it on a grand slam, when he was a Phillie.

...but I'm not sure what happens with two outs, since, obviously, the batter was out before the runner crossed the plate.
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H Homerun041,000+ posts
It is always helpful to know the rules..... it is like having a batter hitting a homerun and not touching a base because he is too busy celebrating!

How many of your kids watch the runner round the bags? Mine did (when he was 12) and noticed a runner who hit what would have been a game winning HR off of him, just to be called out, when he appealed!
B bballforever10+ posts
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Originally posted by Homerun04:
It is always helpful to know the rules..... it is like having a batter hitting a homerun and not touching a base because he is too busy celebrating!

How many of your kids watch the runner round the bags? Mine did (when he was 12) and noticed a runner who hit what would have been a game winning HR off of him, just to be called out, when he appealed!


If it was a walk off, how did her appeal since the game was over?
H Homerun041,000+ posts
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Originally posted by bballforever:
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Originally posted by Homerun04:
It is always helpful to know the rules..... it is like having a batter hitting a homerun and not touching a base because he is too busy celebrating!

How many of your kids watch the runner round the bags? Mine did (when he was 12) and noticed a runner who hit what would have been a game winning HR off of him, just to be called out, when he appealed!


If it was a walk off, how did her appeal since the game was over?


Interesting question, but is the game over if it is a solo HR? He has to touch all the bases....that is why it is good to know the rules.
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piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Homerun04:
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Originally posted by bballforever:
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Originally posted by Homerun04:
It is always helpful to know the rules..... it is like having a batter hitting a homerun and not touching a base because he is too busy celebrating!

How many of your kids watch the runner round the bags? Mine did (when he was 12) and noticed a runner who hit what would have been a game winning HR off of him, just to be called out, when he appealed!


If it was a walk off, how did her appeal since the game was over?


Interesting question, but is the game over if it is a solo HR? He has to touch all the bases....that is why it is good to know the rules.


Umpire jurisdiction begins when the umpires arrive inside the "confines of the field" and ends when they leave the field after the game......On a HR Umpires should be watching for touches of the bases and if we see a missed base....I would linger a short time to see if an appeal was imminent......

After a brief moment...and no appeal indicated....its game balls to the home coach and out the gate.....game over....
H Homerun041,000+ posts
I was impressed that my son would watch the runner and know the rules, I was also impressed that a little league umpire would also watch them and also know the rule.

Let's talk, have you seen the hidden ball trick: a couple of weekends ago a formally top ranked DII college team was playing another top ranked team in San Diego, the visiting team tried to pull the hidden ball trick, and would have but the pitcher was on the mound without the ball! So he did not get the call.....good thing for the freshman runner @ 2b.
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F 3FingeredGlove1,000+ posts
If played under FED rules, the following Casebook situation applies:
9.1.1 SITUATION M: With R1 at second base and R2 at first base and two outs, B5 hits a home run out of the park. While running the bases, B5 (a) passes R2 at first or (b) maliciously runs over F4. RULING: In both (a) and (b), B5 is declared out. R1 and R2 will be awarded home and allowed to score due to the award from the home run. B5's out is not a "force out" so the other runs will count. In (b) B5 would also be ejected for malicious contact.
piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
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Originally posted by AntzDad:
piaa ump, what's the right call in the OP, Laura's, situation?


Assuming the game was played by NFHS rules, and the OP said it was a JV game then........ the Umpires were correct....

3FG has the casebook correct.....3 outs score the run....

if played under OBR or NCAA then 3 outs no run scores......
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RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
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Originally posted by LauraZA:
They called the batter out but said the other runner scored. Of course, as the scorer I wasn't going to argue but it should have been three outs and no runs.


Good thing you weren't going to argue. Umpires had the call right. (Happens sometimes)
I've been at high school games and watched parents go nuts over calls. The problem is they didn't know FED rules can be different (OBR) than what they see on TV with MLB games. When I've explained FED rules I've had parents tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

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