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My kid is an aggressive base runner. He needs help with his reads of pitchers move to first. He is getting very close to getting picked off many times. He gets awful reads in determining if a pitcher is coming over to first or delivering the baseball.

What should a base runner look at? Front foot? Back foot? Front Shoulder? Back shoulder?

Does it change if you have the steal sign or not?
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Originally posted by gap2gap:
My kid is an aggressive base runner. He needs help with his reads of pitchers move to first. He is getting very close to getting picked off many times. He gets awful reads in determining if a pitcher is coming over to first or delivering the baseball.

What should a base runner look at? Front foot? Back foot? Front Shoulder? Back shoulder?

Does it change if you have the steal sign or not?


It definitely changes depending if you have the steal sign or not. If you don't have it, you are setting a hair trigger for reacting only ONE WAY: back to the bag (until the pitcher fully commits to the plate, at which point you start your secondary lead).

(For younger players, I define full commitment to the plate as the point where the P begins to lean like a falling tree towards the plate.)

With the steal on, against a RHP, you're setting a hair trigger for reacting TWO WAYS--back to the bag if you read a throw-over, and break for second if you read that the P is starting his pitching motion.

In my experience, many younger players in a two-way stealing lead react dyslexically to cues involving front and rear feet or shoulders, etc. I think many are better off looking at the whole picture.

Some day I'd like to use high-def. photography to prove or dis-prove that MLB base-stealers have their eyes focused on the pitcher's feet. I'm guessing most don't. (BTW, Ricky H. says he watched the P's elbows).

Against LHPs, always lean or jab step back towards the bag when the pitcher begins his leg lift, and continue until full commitment, except if the steal is on, which is usually a guess-steal on first move.
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Originally posted by floridafan:
With a RHP watch the back foot, if anything else moves he has to go to to the plate.


Incorrect.

OBR Rule 8.01(a) Comment: In the Windup Position, a pitcher is permitted to have his “free” foot on the rubber, in front of the rubber, behind the rubber or off the side of the rubber.
From the Windup Position, the pitcher may:
(1) deliver the ball to the batter, or
(2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick-off a runner, or
(3) disengage the rubber (if he does he must drop his hand to his sides).

OBR 8.01(c) (Set Position)...any time during the pitcher’s preliminary movements and until his natural pitching motion commits him to the pitch, he may throw to any base provided he steps directly toward such base before making the throw.
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Originally posted by floridafan:
I was assuming that you were going to wait until the pitcher came to his set position before you considered stealing...


The pitcher still may step and throw to a base after coming set. The rule gives him that right until he commits to pitch. Coming set is not a commitment to pitch.
Last edited by Jimmy03

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