Anyone think a coach should be one or the other or a mixture of both?
Sometimes I see coaches go crazy during a game and other caches just act all laid back. I guess the question is does a crazy energetic coach really get more out of his players than a laid back type coach during the games?
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One doesn't matter over the other. What matters is that the player's buy into or the coach recruits those that buy into the coach. If the coach is a great coach, and the players trust and believe in them then they are fine. Every great coach at the end of the day is a mixture of both.
if by crazy energetic you mean positive... maybe. but generally i dont believe 'energy' means much in a baseball coach. Energy to run a good practice, yes. Energy to constantly learn and improve, for sure. Energy to do the best for his players always, absolutely. Yelling at a baseball game? waste of time and only possibility is negative. Go with the calm cool collected!
Credible - thats what a HS baseball coach needs to be, credible. I've seen that up close with our younger son and boy was it a thing of beauty!
All that matters is the players buy in and follow the leader. I could list several reasons why my son's high school coach was not a good coach. Some parents bitched about him the entire time. Unless a kid was a star he didn't know where he stood. That was only because he could tell himself he was good. It didn't come from the coach. My son (a star) said the coach made one positive statement to him in four years. But the players bought in enough to win.
If the coach hollers and screams, but wins, he is a strict disciplinarian that commands respect. If the coach is laid back, runs a loose ship and wins, he is a players coach. Switch the winning to losing and the screaming coach is an idiot and the loose coach is lazy. Just the way it is and both approaches work, until they don't....lol.
Which one has the 11yo on the bump?
JCG posted:Which one has the 11yo on the bump?
Ok that was just too funny!
RJM and IEBSBL have it right. The important thing is the players buy into his program. It doesn't matter if the coach is laid back or is up tight and yells. Most of my son's coaches were a little of both.
I was/am a yeller and screamer. We tend to win. So, I guess we're ok until we lose.
High school coaches are teachers and people managers. They come in many styles. If your son plays for a high school coach that teaches them to play the right way, develops & encourages their talent, and is fair then you are way ahead of the ballgame. it won't matter if they are energetic or laid back. As always JMO.
When I was coach we had both. I was yeller/ next stop talking coach. My assistant who was every bit my equal in all ways except who took out lineup card was the calm one. worked very well for our team. My job was to fire em up. His was to keep em calm. On the rare occasion he got fired up, I became calm
Last year I saw a 17u coach, who is typically laid back with the occasional snarky comment, completely blow up. It was one of those games where every player seemed to hit to the opposing teams glove and when someone did miraculously get on base it seemed like every call went to the other team.
With about 2 innings to go the coach argued a close call vehemently and got removed from the field and sent to the parking lot. I passed him on my way up to my car to get something and he was calm as a cucumber again and smiling. I asked him if he was okay and he said "Yeah, those types of games are just soul suckers, the boys needed to get a little fire in them, my getting kicked out seemed to have worked, they are rallying." Sure enough, they were. So, my vote is have a coach that knows what their players need to succeed.
CaCO3Girl posted:Last year I saw a 17u coach, who is typically laid back with the occasional snarky comment, completely blow up. It was one of those games where every player seemed to hit to the opposing teams glove and when someone did miraculously get on base it seemed like every call went to the other team.
With about 2 innings to go the coach argued a close call vehemently and got removed from the field and sent to the parking lot. I passed him on my way up to my car to get something and he was calm as a cucumber again and smiling. I asked him if he was okay and he said "Yeah, those types of games are just soul suckers, the boys needed to get a little fire in them, my getting kicked out seemed to have worked, they are rallying." Sure enough, they were. So, my vote is have a coach that knows what their players need to succeed.
I can not agree with him in the least. How would embarrassing yourself and getting thrown out of a game make you payers better at baseball? Baseball is a game of confidence and concentration. It is not a momentum sport unless you believe confidence can increase with others success which I may buy into. But its not like football.or basketball where you can dig down deep for something extra.
2020dad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:Last year I saw a 17u coach, who is typically laid back with the occasional snarky comment, completely blow up. It was one of those games where every player seemed to hit to the opposing teams glove and when someone did miraculously get on base it seemed like every call went to the other team.
With about 2 innings to go the coach argued a close call vehemently and got removed from the field and sent to the parking lot. I passed him on my way up to my car to get something and he was calm as a cucumber again and smiling. I asked him if he was okay and he said "Yeah, those types of games are just soul suckers, the boys needed to get a little fire in them, my getting kicked out seemed to have worked, they are rallying." Sure enough, they were. So, my vote is have a coach that knows what their players need to succeed.
I can not agree with him in the least. How would embarrassing yourself and getting thrown out of a game make you payers better at baseball? Baseball is a game of confidence and concentration. It is not a momentum sport unless you believe confidence can increase with others success which I may buy into. But its not like football.or basketball where you can dig down deep for something extra.
It's not a momentum sport? We will have to agree to disagree on that one.
As for embarrassing himself...not sure I agree. He didn't use foul language, he didn't use physical force....it was a tough game to watch where it appeared that everything that could have gone either way went to the other team and every one of those players was doing the stoic baseball thing...no facial emotion, no sign that a call was upsetting or just plain wrong. The usually calm and collected coach yelling out what every one of them was thinking and not able to say...well if I was a player it would have made me feel better.
I'm a laid back baseball coach but a yelling basketball coach.
2020dad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:Last year I saw a 17u coach, who is typically laid back with the occasional snarky comment, completely blow up. It was one of those games where every player seemed to hit to the opposing teams glove and when someone did miraculously get on base it seemed like every call went to the other team.
With about 2 innings to go the coach argued a close call vehemently and got removed from the field and sent to the parking lot. I passed him on my way up to my car to get something and he was calm as a cucumber again and smiling. I asked him if he was okay and he said "Yeah, those types of games are just soul suckers, the boys needed to get a little fire in them, my getting kicked out seemed to have worked, they are rallying." Sure enough, they were. So, my vote is have a coach that knows what their players need to succeed.
I can not agree with him in the least. How would embarrassing yourself and getting thrown out of a game make you payers better at baseball? Baseball is a game of confidence and concentration. It is not a momentum sport unless you believe confidence can increase with others success which I may buy into. But its not like football.or basketball where you can dig down deep for something extra.
Disagree, seen it to many times not to be true. Hitting can be contagious which can also boost confidence and energy on defensive side....momentum swing.
My sons team had several coaches, each with a role. The head coaches' wife's role was yelling at the kids. Some people didn't like it, my son did. She coached him in basketball and yelled, came to his cross country meets and yelled. Sat in the stands and baseball and yelled. He said he always knew she cared when she yelled at him. And honestly, she only yelled at kids who had more to give. I think different kids need different coaches. A good coach figures out to give them what they need.
I dont believe you should have to yell to get your point across, if you do then there are probably other issues. Of course, there is a time and place for everything, we're only human and some cant take more then others. Ive seen many coaches who are "yellers" and the parents of our team are usually saying "will you shut up already, he must like to here himself yell", also, the players of those coaches probably had the poorest body language and attitudes ive seen, not sure if thats a result of yelling or the cause of it.
hsbaseball101 posted:I'm a laid back baseball coach but a yelling basketball coach.
Funny because that describes me to a T also!
