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Freshman dad here. :-)

Possible stupid question.

How much refinement or improvement should I or junior expect out of playing high school ball?

I ask this because even though the coaches may not have as much one on one time(I assume) to help the boys like they would like...the boys are getting reps in day in and day out. In past years prior to high school my little future major leaguer may not have gotten the reps in due to a multitude of factors. As a pitcher, he has never really been on an off day cycle either.

He has played select for awhile...should I not get too excited about the prospect of high school ball making him better through the added daily reps or will other factors I am possibly unaware of not allow it to be as fruitful as it could be?

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Great question. In my experience, the players get a lot better by playing Monday through Friday. Up until my son's freshman year he would play two games a week and MAYBE practice one day per week. Even if you count the two games as two days, you get no where near the reps you get in high school practice.
Don't be shocked or disappointed if freshman son's performance takes a step back if he's with a freshman team, and his team is like most HS freshman teams. It's pretty bad based on what I've seen and heard from my friends. But he'll work out of it quickly over the summer and then you'll start to see a better brand of HS ball after that.
Do not get all worked up if he is not playing every inning. Or if he is not in the batting lineup where you think he should be or playing on the field where you think he is best. Instead sit back and enjoy the experience. Be the cook at the games, be the in the pressbox announcing the games or keeping the scoreboard, but most of all be the Dad your son will be proud of. Put your arm around him when he wins and most of all when he is down in the dumps. Pull up a chair and enjoy the ride.
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Do not get all worked up if he is not playing every inning. Or if he is not in the batting lineup where you think he should be or playing on the field where you think he is best. Instead sit back and enjoy the experience. Be the cook at the games, be the in the pressbox announcing the games or keeping the scoreboard, but most of all be the Dad your son will be proud of. Put your arm around him when he wins and most of all when he is down in the dumps. Pull up a chair and enjoy the ride.

Good advice. I remember when my son was an incoming freshman. Didn't get that PT I was expecting him to get during the first part of the season. Middle of the season he gets more and more PT and then after coach releases stats, he is in top 3 in OBP, and lead the team with only 1k in about 35-40AB's. He started the rest of the year.
As a soph. he made the varsity as a utility player and played extensively. He started every district game except for 3 that year. Not only that, he started at a position he had never played in his life. Head coach saw something that could help the team and it was the right choice!
Keep your mind right, cheer for the TEAM, and if the kid has talent everything will fall into place.
Ours is only a soph, so we've not gotten the full 4 year picture yet. What we've seen so far and friends in other programs, is that until you make varsity you don't really exist yet. Head coach (and even top assistant) are focused on the varsity squad.

If yours has been playing high end ball, more than likely he already knows how to play. Those that have not established a strong foundation of basic skills and knowledge and are "waiting" for the HS program to teach the kid are in for a rude awakening.

Don't get me wrong. Its not a waste, but more of earning your spikes. Ours played JV as a fresh last year and was able to build a tremendous amount of confidence by getting back to being a team stud, rather than mid-pack in the his select world. Best part was he carried that confidence into the summer, and moved himself up that pecking order too. Smile
My son is capable of playing up...I think. But our program just doesnt do that from what I am told. I understand. I guess I just want to understand if the reps he would be getting on a day to day basis should re-inforce and improve his baseball capabilities. I understand this may really rely on the kind of coaching present but even if you have reputable Varsity coaching I get the feeling it may not trickle down to the lowly Freshman all the time.

Would like to ge the feeling that I am not going go have to tell my higher leve l son to "forget" every thing he has learned in baseball class today and kindly nod your head when the non-varsity coaches instruct as to not undo what we have built through select ball over the past 5 or 6 select years. This is not to imply that any coach other than a Varsity coach is worth a darn but conflicting messages some times arise with too many cooks in the kitchen and more damage than good is done.

The preferential situation is reps afforded during class make him better....obviously dont want to back track whilst attempting to get better not only for the high school team but for select after high school. Dont want to spend first quarter of select undoing damage done by bad reps during unmonitored sessions up at the school during high school season.
This is how my son handled situations when he knew what the coach was telling him was incorrect... He would listen intently to what the coach was telling him to do, go to the plate (for example) and hit like he had been taught by his hitting coach, come back to the coach and say, "You're right coach, did you see that hit." Coach would say something to the tune of, "Yes, see, when you follow my advise it works." Everybody is happy.
Monkeyboy,

I think there are tons to be learned as a freshman regardless of the quality of the freshman coach. I do believe they benefit from daily reps if the player chooses to take it seriously. When they take BP some of the kids will joke around in the field and get nothing out of it, while others will work on their game fielding balls live off the bat. (By the way these are the same kids that get moved up to varsity first in most cases) These freshman won’t have coaches and dad’s watching and coaching every move they make so they learn how to think and react on their own more. For example, in select ball my son would get on base and have loud vocal coaches on 1st and 3rd which takes some of the players decision making out of the game. The first few games as a freshman there was not the same loud vocal instruction from the base coaches and he was a step late taking that next bag or getting back on a pickoff move. I think this helped him as a base runner because he had to focus more and react to the game rather than react to a coaches voice.

Probably one of the most important things about that freshman year is they will be playing ball with kids they see in school every day and they start that bonding process with teammates they will be playing with for four years. Whether or not they admit it they will look up to the varsity players and will learn how to act and carry themselves as they move up to varsity, both positive and negative. I could go on all day about the things a freshman can learn, it may not be technical but it is important knowledge.
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Monkeyboy,

I think there are tons to be learned as a freshman regardless of the quality of the freshman coach. I do believe they benefit from daily reps if the player chooses to take it seriously. When they take BP some of the kids will joke around in the field and get nothing out of it, while others will work on their game fielding balls live off the bat. (By the way these are the same kids that get moved up to varsity first in most cases) These freshman won’t have coaches and dad’s watching and coaching every move they make so they learn how to think and react on their own more. For example, in select ball my son would get on base and have loud vocal coaches on 1st and 3rd which takes some of the players decision making out of the game. The first few games as a freshman there was not the same loud vocal instruction from the base coaches and he was a step late taking that next bag or getting back on a pickoff move. I think this helped him as a base runner because he had to focus more and react to the game rather than react to a coaches voice.

Probably one of the most important things about that freshman year is they will be playing ball with kids they see in school every day and they start that bonding process with teammates they will be playing with for four years. Whether or not they admit it they will look up to the varsity players and will learn how to act and carry themselves as they move up to varsity, both positive and negative. I could go on all day about the things a freshman can learn, it may not be technical but it is important knowledge.

Excellent post.

Some off the cuff thoughts here...

The difference between high school ball and select ball is competition imho. Many select teams are hand-picked (by the Dad's running them), thus competition for playing time is often neglible. In our situation for example, my son had a graduating class of over 1100 and well over 100 kids tried out for the freshmen team. There were several travel and "select" teams that fed into that "one" freshmen team and it was a BIG deal to make that team let alone find your way on to the field and play.

In high school/freshmen ball, who makes the team and who plays is out of the player's and sometimes their parent's control for the first time. Some kids don't react well when the option is produce or sit which is what it is like in college ball. Select ball often does not offer that dynamic imho. The best training for college ball is learning how to beat someone else out and playing under pressure.

Select ball in general, offers better competition. In that arena, kids can compare themselves to the better players and hone their skills against them. Both high school ball and select ball are essential developmental tools for fairly different reasons imho.
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C’Dad….good comments

Wow…..I am constantly amazed at how many people think their hs coach and hs ball is not worth their time. For those that do, you should search you tube for the ‘my coach sucks’ video.

I have coached from 5A to 2A baseball and I can only speak for myself. At the 5A level, our freshman worked at a separate park from the jv/varsity, but the level of coaching was excellent. We had two coaches that worked with those guys and one had played at the pro level. At the 2A level all of our players work out at the same park. At the smaller school our sub-varsity coaches are not true “baseball guys”, but they work hard to learn our system. That being said the sub-varsity works at least half of the practice with the varsity so that the varsity players and the varsity coaches can work with them, and part of the sub-varsity work is done on a separate field.

As for the ‘my coach teaches the swing the wrong way’ comments…. Look at all of the so called gurus on here that think that the other guy teaches the wrong way. I have to laugh because our school has enjoyed much success in athletics since I have been here, and yet we constantly have people thinking we are not doing it the “right” way.

I truly hope you guys have a great hs experience no matter where your son falls on the baseball spectrum.
Never meant to imply that any form of High School coaching was inferior or subpar. Never the intent of my line of questioning to be disrespectful of the professionals out there helping our boys be better ballplayers. My focus was more on the fact that more kids in the freshman class + lesser experienced(not inferior) coaches may mean the boys have to be self starters or find ways of motivation to not regress. I wasnt implying the coaching was bad or inferior. I am just trying to understand if with the large roster of boys and with more emphasis on JV\Varsity if freshman boys actually regress, stay the same or get better through the reps afforded them through daily baseball class.

Obviously, more reps does not equal better reps and I wasnt sure if enough eyes were there(Coaches, upperclassmen, other experienced freshmen) to ensure the boys were progressing to their ability.
There's no doubt freshmen coaches are inferior to varsity...any varsity coach would tell you that. From what I've seen there's no dropoff from summer select to HS Varsity though.

There's also no doubt that a freshman's skills will slip back unless they work hard to prevent it...physically and mentally. To prevent that, you might want to remind your freshman the varsity coach is ALWAYS watching. From a parking lot with binoculars, from a window in the school building, from upper classmen that show up to a freshman game or from reports via the freshman coach. He WILL know what's going on, who's working and who isn't....and he WON'T forget when tryouts roll around next year.
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monkey.....not taken that way. Sorry if my post sound so. After re-reading my post I can understand how it sounds.

It has been my experience that far more coaching and developing of skill takes place in the hs setting than in summer ball. Summer ball provides the opportunity to put those skills to use against a high level of competition.

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