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Originally Posted by baseballmania:
Originally Posted by Coach_Sampson:
Originally Posted by coach2709:

I'm totally not picturing what you're describing but I have a feeling whatever it is would not be a good swing.

It sounds like he is teaching a technique used for slow pitch softball where you actually drive so hard forward that your back foot slides forward with the swing. Think of it as a follow through.That technique is based 100% on timing the pitch properly. I have a feeling some kids are going to look pretty bad on off speed pitches.

 

I'll see if I can find some videos and post them here.

That is interesting you bring up softball because the baseball HC was the girls softball H.C. for about 10 yrs.  

What you have described is not how fast pitch softball hitters swing. So if he taught this in softball he was also teaching them incorrectly.

Originally Posted by Soylent Green:

Ditto that this is a drill I've seen used over the years. Seems like your son could tell you pretty clearly that it was a drill, as opposed to a "new swing" that the coach is changing every player to? Players often look silly trying new drills that are designed to isolate/exaggerate a certain movement, rotation, muscle memory.

I was alarmed because it appeared the coach was correcting some of the players during hitting practice on the field.  I heard him say "let the forward momentum carry the ball farther".  

I would like an explanation how that drill helps in any manner whatsoever?  

I would want my kid to practice a drill that he can use at the plate.  

The good news is I just got back from watching practice and my son was hitting off of live pitching and using the correct technique. 

Originally Posted by JCG:

This thread seems like a pretty good lesson in why dads should stay away from their kid's HS baseball practices.

Yes and no.  What hasn't been answered is whether or not this was only a drill to help with weight transfer or a hitting philosophy in and of itself.  That is something the kid should be able to comment on. 

Originally Posted by baseballmania:
Originally Posted by Soylent Green:

Ditto that this is a drill I've seen used over the years. Seems like your son could tell you pretty clearly that it was a drill, as opposed to a "new swing" that the coach is changing every player to? Players often look silly trying new drills that are designed to isolate/exaggerate a certain movement, rotation, muscle memory.

I would like an explanation how that drill helps in any manner whatsoever?  

I would want my kid to practice a drill that he can use at the plate.

There are others who could explain much better and likely more correctly than myself, but I've seen this drill used in a few ways: 1) to establish better swing rhythm (or disrupt bad rhythm); 2) to make hitters "feel" more aggressive hip firing ie quicker/fuller rotation; 3) to instill more aggressive attack in the hitter. Also, since you mentioned that this was day 1 of practice, the coach may have just been seeing what he's got for hitters... who can follow direction and step out of comfort zone... who is coachable and who might be less so. Lastly and as someone else suggested... he might have been looking to see which guys might make good slap hitters for when the situation called for it... guys who might be useful hitting at top or bottom of lineup. Think you have to give coaches the benefit of the doubt that they have an idea of what they're doing because they usually do. Evaluate them over time. Otherwise you start looking and sounding like the dads in Hoosiers!

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Originally Posted by Golfman25:
Originally Posted by JCG:

This thread seems like a pretty good lesson in why dads should stay away from their kid's HS baseball practices.

Yes and no.  What hasn't been answered is whether or not this was only a drill to help with weight transfer or a hitting philosophy in and of itself.  That is something the kid should be able to comment on. 

My sons seemed to think it was a hitting philosophy.  In today's practice he said the coach had them doing it in all hitting drills.  He was told by the coach that since pitchers have a follow through to help with power that hitting should do the same (I KID YOU NOT)

My other comment that I've stressed before is even it was just a drill how could this benefit the player?  

Last edited by baseballmania
Originally Posted by JCG:

This thread seems like a pretty good lesson in why dads should stay away from their kid's HS baseball practices.

This thread is a good lesson for Dad's to air out their gripes on this forum instead of to the coach. 

After the 2nd practice it appears that my son is allowed to swing with the correct technique.  

Rants over.  I got everything off my chest now.  Cold beer time. 

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Originally Posted by baseballmania:
Originally Posted by JCG:

This thread seems like a pretty good lesson in why dads should stay away from their kid's HS baseball practices.

This thread is a good lesson for Dad's to air out their gripes on this forum instead of to the coach. 

After the 2nd practice it appears that my son is allowed to swing with the correct technique.  

Rants over.  I got everything off my chest now.  Cold beer time. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JBh_L8nBeM

 

Watch this with the cold beer. 

Originally Posted by coach2709:
 

 

I'm not a big fan of going against a coach because of respect (and those that know me on here know I'm an overall defender of HS coaches) but what do you to here?  Obviously you can't do this and be successful.

 

Double check with your son to make sure he's teaching this as THE way to swing and not just a drill or something.

Ok.  So as an AD what do you suggest a parent or student do in this situation? 

Originally Posted by Go44dad:
Originally Posted by baseballmania:
Originally Posted by JCG:

This thread seems like a pretty good lesson in why dads should stay away from their kid's HS baseball practices.

This thread is a good lesson for Dad's to air out their gripes on this forum instead of to the coach. 

After the 2nd practice it appears that my son is allowed to swing with the correct technique.  

Rants over.  I got everything off my chest now.  Cold beer time. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JBh_L8nBeM

 

Watch this with the cold beer. 

Happy Gilmore!

This drill looks very similar to what is sometimes called the "back hip over drill". The purpose of the drill is " as the hitter swings, he drives his back hip and back knee at the baseball releasing the back foot off the ground. The hitter has to keep his front side firm and hit against it. If the front side is weak in this drill, the hips will slide forward. The objectives of the drill is to get back hip involved, make sure the hips and hands are going toward the ball simultaneously, getting "through the ball" and keeping front side firm from starting the swing.

I guess my issue is taking the step forward which goes against staying firm but I don't pretend to know all the drills out there.

Also - you don't see it much but watch old clips of Stan Musial swinging - his back foot left the ground all the time - seemed to work out OK for him.

Originally Posted by Golfman25:
Originally Posted by coach2709:
 

 

I'm not a big fan of going against a coach because of respect (and those that know me on here know I'm an overall defender of HS coaches) but what do you to here?  Obviously you can't do this and be successful.

 

Double check with your son to make sure he's teaching this as THE way to swing and not just a drill or something.

Ok.  So as an AD what do you suggest a parent or student do in this situation? 

I would hope with me as an AD a guy like this wouldn't get hired.  I would talk with him in the interview about baseball things and realize he wasn't good enough.

 

Now that being said I'm not that experienced in a lot of sports so they might get by me in an interview that is not for football and baseball.  You would be amazed what the kids will tell you when they aren't complaining.  They are just making conversation and they tell you what's going on.

 

Even if I may not know a lot about a sport I know if a team / athlete is ready and able to compete.  If they cannot compete then it becomes my job to try and figure out why they aren't able to compete.  I will maybe drop in on practice to see how it's organized or what's being taught.  Have a conversation(s) with the coach to see what's going on.  Ask some self-reflecting questions and things like that.

 

Honestly, it's a process and will take some time.  The vast majority of parent comments are baseless complaints so I'm not going to just start looking into things because a few parents say they aren't happy.  Now if the vast majority of parents are coming to me then there might be something to it.  But in front of the parents I'm going to support my coach UNTIL I see for a fact he or she is not getting it done then we are meeting behind closed doors.

 

Ultimately, I've never been in this situation so there might be some things I do differently once I get into the particulars.  Also, at most schools it will come down to the principal making the decision to get rid of a coach based on my recommendation.  Tough spot to be in as an AD to be honest.

Originally Posted by old_school:
Originally Posted by jhelbling:

 

Also - you don't see it much but watch old clips of Stan Musial swinging - his back foot left the ground all the time - seemed to work out OK for him.

it you look at video most good hitters the back foot does leave the ground.

If by leaving the ground you mean when the batter starts running I agree.

 

The videos I saw of Stan Musial and Ted Williams had their foot on the ground at contact.

Originally Posted by baseballmania:
Originally Posted by old_school:
Originally Posted by jhelbling:

 

Also - you don't see it much but watch old clips of Stan Musial swinging - his back foot left the ground all the time - seemed to work out OK for him.

it you look at video most good hitters the back foot does leave the ground.

If by leaving the ground you mean when the batter starts running I agree.

 

The videos I saw of Stan Musial and Ted Williams had their foot on the ground at contact.

Actually with many hitters the back foot is off the ground or moving forward at contact.  That's the weight shift taking over.  But as the weight rotates around the back foot is back on the ground and stabilizes the body.  That's why your HS coach's swing doesn't make a lot of sense.  Nobody steps through.  

Originally Posted by baseballmania:
I have never, ever seen a drill like what I witnessed.  If you can find me a picture or video clip that demonstrates forward momentum during and after the swing with the back foot coming forward ahead of the front foot after the swing please show it. 


Forward momentum is important.  Imagine swinging a bowling ball without it.

It sounds like he is doing a drill. If your kid can hit, he won't mess with him.

 

Learn to relax and enjoy.  You are no longer in control.  The coach is in charge.  I repeat. You are no longer in control.

Last edited by SultanofSwat
Originally Posted by baseballmania:

The videos I saw of Stan Musial and Ted Williams had their foot on the ground at contact.


The question is not 'do they have their back foot on the ground at contact?'.  It's 'is their front leg vertical at contact'?  This would mean their hips are sliding forward vs. rotating on a roughly stationary vertical axis.

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