High School Team issues...What do I do?

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:
As I start my due diligence this year and next scoping out high school baseball programs in preparation for my son's entrance into high school I will look at how the coaching staff teaches the kids.
The advantage parents who desire to understand baseball mechanics have today are the multitude of youtube videos and books by the professionals that illustrate proper fundementals of batting and pitching.
One poster in another forum said his son's high school coaches were taking video of each kid batting and then making the same undeducated comments to each kid on how to "fix" the swing.
Just because you are a high school baseball coach doesn't mean you know anything about how to play the game.
Due diligence before hand will help a parent find the program that will develop a kid and prepare him for the next level.
I already know for certain where I will not send my son to play high school baseball in our area.
Right now I am fortunate to have a travel ball coach with 15 yrs experience who understands the game more than most small town high school baseball coaches.

I bet all the coaches are just hoping that you pick them. The winner gets the son of the crazy dude sitting behind the backstop at practice. They probably see you there and text their buddies that it's their lucky day.

Where do these people come from.......

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Originally posted by ironhorse:

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Originally posted by dolphindan1:

Thanks....sarcasm is pretty subtle....but to respond to ur statement.....u are right i will make **** sure its the best choice for my son....cause the choice he was given by the school district sucks

Colt McCoy's dad, a high school coach here in Texas, came and spoke at my church and said something that struck a nerve with me. His advice for fathers was:

"Prepare your child for the path, not the path for your child."

Kinda seems to me like it addresses one of the main reasons this country is heading off course.

Awesome!

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"Prepare your child for the path, not the path for your child."

You can do both and we all do.

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Due diligence before hand will help a parent find the program that will develop a kid and prepare him for the next level.

We did our due diligence when we moved into the area. We looked for homes in the top rated academic school districts. Everything else was gravy. My kids managed to maneuver through any obstacles and excel on the sporting side.

Their school coaches abilities ranged from excellent to questionable. My kids thrived in every one of the circumstances. One time my son got really screwed I asked him, "What is your solution to the problem?" rather than make excuses and find a clearer path for him.

Humorous note: You should have seen the look on my son's face (at 12yo) when I told him we moved from the LL that was the Western representative to the LLWS and was outbid on a house within the boundaries of the Mid-Atlantic representative.

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Due diligence before hand will help a parent find the program that will develop a kid and prepare him for the next level.

We did our due diligence when we moved into the area. We looked for homes in the top rated academic school districts. Everything else was gravy. My kids managed to maneuver through any obstacles and excel on the sporting side.

Their school coaches abilities ranged from excellent to questionable. My kids thrived in every one of the circumstances. One time my son got really screwed I asked him, "What is your solution to the problem?" rather than make excuses and find a clearer path for him.

+1, or THIS, or whatever it is to show total agreement for this post.

We did the same thing. We live where my wife and I would be comfortable with our kids going to school. And actually, we did it long before then as my wife got a teaching gig at the elementary school. So, when our son hit 8th grade, we didnt have to do any "due diligence" on finding the right high school for my son's baseball talents. Now that my daughter is a freshmen, it's probably a good thing we didnt pick a school for baseball. She sucks at baseball.

Colt McCoy's dad, a high school coach here in Texas, came and spoke at my church and said something that struck a nerve with me. His advice for fathers was:

"Prepare your child for the path, not the path for your child."

Was that the same dad who was on the sideline telling the Texas coaches his son would not go back in the game against Alabama, cause he had a pro future?

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Originally posted by GapFinder:
Colt McCoy's dad, a high school coach here in Texas, came and spoke at my church and said something that struck a nerve with me. His advice for fathers was:

"Prepare your child for the path, not the path for your child."

Was that the same dad who was on the sideline telling the Texas coaches his son would not go back in the game against Alabama, cause he had a pro future?

Here is another article illustrating his hypocrisy
McCoy's Dad on Browns

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Originally posted by cabbagedad:

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:
As I start my due diligence this year and next scoping out high school baseball programs ... The advantage parents who desire to understand baseball mechanics have today are the multitude of youtube videos and books by the professionals that illustrate proper...

Just because you are a high school baseball coach doesn't mean you know anything about how to play the game.

Yeah TOTALLY, I can see where a parent searching through youtube videos would be way better than trusting a HS baseball coach.

Do you have any idea how many different "expert" hitting philosophies are floating around the internet? Of course if there's actually a youtube video, I'm sure that makes it legit.

My son gets private lessons from Ted Williams. Just read his book "Science of Hitting". If a coach can't understand basic concepts of hitting I won't let him screw up my son!

This thread would make a much better movie than money ball was ... YouTube coaching? If you have to look at you tube to tell if your coach can coach then you can't tell... I don't know anything about building bridges, no you tube is going to change that.

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Originally posted by Mizzoubaseball:

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:
As I start my due diligence this year and next scoping out high school baseball programs in preparation for my son's entrance into high school I will look at how the coaching staff teaches the kids.
The advantage parents who desire to understand baseball mechanics have today are the multitude of youtube videos and books by the professionals that illustrate proper fundementals of batting and pitching.
One poster in another forum said his son's high school coaches were taking video of each kid batting and then making the same undeducated comments to each kid on how to "fix" the swing.
Just because you are a high school baseball coach doesn't mean you know anything about how to play the game.
Due diligence before hand will help a parent find the program that will develop a kid and prepare him for the next level.
I already know for certain where I will not send my son to play high school baseball in our area.
Right now I am fortunate to have a travel ball coach with 15 yrs experience who understands the game more than most small town high school baseball coaches.

I bet all the coaches are just hoping that you pick them. The winner gets the son of the crazy dude sitting behind the backstop at practice. They probably see you there and text their buddies that it's their lucky day.

Where do these people come from.......

I call it the lotto! I will probably sell raffle tickets to all coaches within a 100 mile radius that make the grade so as to make money on the side and at minimum demand a fully stocked and paid apartment so my son won't have to travel very far to school.
In fact I'm already soliciting interests from MLB clubs so that the bidding war can begin early.

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Originally posted by GapFinder:
Was that the same dad who was on the sideline telling the Texas coaches his son would not go back in the game against Alabama, cause he had a pro future?

Haha, no. That definitely didn't happen. Completely fabricated.

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:

Here is another article illustrating his hypocrisy
McCoy's Dad on Browns

Yup, he pointed out something that happened to his son so egregious the NFL is implemented immediate rules changes because of it.

Obviously that shows he is a hypocrite and an overbearing father.

Good luck shopping your son. And realize that no HS coach can "screw up" your son if he isn't already in the right path. But I'm sure you'll figure that out with YouTube.

Where in East Texas again?

Well said - thank you

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Originally posted by ironhorse:

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:

Here is another article illustrating his hypocrisy
McCoy's Dad on Browns

Yup, he pointed out something that happened to his son so egregious the NFL is implemented immediate rules changes because of it.

Obviously that shows he is a hypocrite and an overbearing father.

Good luck shopping your son. And realize that no HS coach can "screw up" your son if he isn't already in the right path. But I'm sure you'll figure that out with YouTube.

Where in East Texas again?

Don't shoot the messenger.
I agree with Colt's father just wonder if he is taking his own advice.
This is an interesting article about Brad McCoy NFL Parenting skills

I don't have too much to add to all of this but do have a problem with the comments about watching practice.

If the coach allows it, there is nothing wrong with watching practice. As a matter of fact, my son's HS coach strongly encourages every parent to come and watch their son's practice. For one, they will know full well why their son is or is not playing. For another, it gives us a chance to see and understand what is expected for the team to do in the games. This makes the games more enjoyable as we understand better when good plays happen as well as when the not so good ones happen.

Our coach makes it very clear that we are welcome to "watch" but it is his team and his rules. They get their butts chewed no matter who is watching and we, the parents, all know this.

I spent the better part of four years watching my son's HS practices with a good number of other parents and wouldn't have traded the opputunity for anything. When I was the parent of a freshman, it was very helpful to have the guidence and advise of the parents of the juniors and seniors. If you think this site is great because of all the experienced people who have been there and done that, we have the same thing in a smaller way with our team. I think the coach allowing and encouraging us to be there has help greatly.

Also, it is a great way for all the parents to get to know each other and we have/had a good time hanging out. While this is a rare situation and may not be the case with the OP, to make blanket statments that watching you son's practices is wrong really bothers me.

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Originally posted by ironhorse:

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Originally posted by dolphindan1:

Thanks....sarcasm is pretty subtle....but to respond to ur statement.....u are right i will make **** sure its the best choice for my son....cause the choice he was given by the school district sucks

Colt McCoy's dad, a high school coach here in Texas, came and spoke at my church and said something that struck a nerve with me. His advice for fathers was:

"Prepare your child for the path, not the path for your child."

Kinda seems to me like it addresses one of the main reasons this country is heading off course.

So basically you are saying I need to find a head coaching job as baseball coach and just coach my on son?...Shouldnt have turned that job down last summer...Yeah Colts dad had his path prepared for him...

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Due diligence before hand will help a parent find the program that will develop a kid and prepare him for the next level.

I did mine before my kids were born by settling in a good neighborhood with a top school system. Sports are secondary, which is something over-the-top parents seem to forget. Relying on a school system solely because of a baseball coach is extremely shortsighted instead of looking for a school for the reasons schools exists..An education. As for sports or any after school activity, those were optional to my kids assuming they maintained their grades and earned the privledge to participate in after school sports/activities.

Even though we live in a top school district where they have a very good education system and ok sports programs, the baseball program had a lot to be desired but it never detered my kid from it. He just kept plugging thru the program where many players quit and he got his shot because his talent could no longer go ignored. Only he dealt with it and didn't run to mom and dad.

As for practices go, the last place my son or any of the players wanted parent was hanging around the field watching them. My son told me not to come to his practices until about 15 minutes before to pick him up until he got his license when he could take himself to and from school. Practice was their time, not the parents. It was their time to focus on working on their baseball skills, not parents hovering around to see who's kid getting the star treatment or getting the shaft. I dunno. Maybe I still have a little old school in me. Not competely but I knew where to let my kids breathe.

Colt McCoy's dad? LOL..He's the poster boy for helicopter parenting.

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Originally posted by Mizzoubaseball:

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:
As I start my due diligence this year and next scoping out high school baseball programs in preparation for my son's entrance into high school I will look at how the coaching staff teaches the kids.
The advantage parents who desire to understand baseball mechanics have today are the multitude of youtube videos and books by the professionals that illustrate proper fundementals of batting and pitching.
One poster in another forum said his son's high school coaches were taking video of each kid batting and then making the same undeducated comments to each kid on how to "fix" the swing.
Just because you are a high school baseball coach doesn't mean you know anything about how to play the game.
Due diligence before hand will help a parent find the program that will develop a kid and prepare him for the next level.
I already know for certain where I will not send my son to play high school baseball in our area.
Right now I am fortunate to have a travel ball coach with 15 yrs experience who understands the game more than most small town high school baseball coaches.

I bet all the coaches are just hoping that you pick them. The winner gets the son of the crazy dude sitting behind the backstop at practice. They probably see you there and text their buddies that it's their lucky day.

Where do these people come from.......

Trad is funny, he's gonna do his due diligence looking for the right HS coach who teaches good mechanics but would allow his kid to pitch on consecutive days in a tournament?

You are right, where do these folks come from?

What if my kid closes out a game and only pitches 20 pitches. Should he be able to pitch the next day O Wise One? If so what should be his pitch count?

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:
What if my kid closes out a game and only pitches 20 pitches. Should he be able to pitch the next day O Wise One? If so what should be his pitch count?

Your first question asked was 50 pitches on one day and 50 on another, now it's changed.
You seem to know so much why not do your own research. If you need to ask me, that means you have been negligent in your research if you want your son to play past HS.
Ask, what if he threw 20 pitches in one inning, the weather, what type of pitches, that should be a consideration, and YOU as the parent should be armed with that knowledge, after all you have told us that you do know who your son would not play for in HS, but IMO, travel coaches probably add just as much harm to youth pitchers as any HS coach.