High School workout/ or practice?? Whats legal these days???

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Originally posted by rczar11:
If you're practicing now as a team (more than two) you would be breaking the rules according to the ihsa. In fact, if you organized practices or were a part of any type of practices you would be in violation after approximately the first week in November. Which is when the fall season ends.

When was it you wanted me to come up and run that open gym for you? How many hours was I supposed to have them get after it? How far is the chair you'll be sitting in located down that hall? The beauty of it is that if I do this, no one in their right mind could say that it was organized!

Coach B are you Lou Holtz'en me again? No one in their right mind would think you were organized?... I was mystified by how organized your teams were when we played you. I wondered in amazement how you could be so fundamentally sound compared to our team. I would need to start practice in August and go 24/7 just to keep up with your team(s). Thankfully our kids can go to open workouts at a nice facility and do some hitting, throwing, catch, etc. These are not mandatory workouts, they are open, and they do have some structure to them. This is done by a few fathers and a couple of alum. It's always nice to have ex-players come back and give advice and feedback to future players. Again, I wish student athletes could experience what I did in high school; play three sports for 4 years. I loved every minute of it. I often think of high school games I played in and those life long learnings I gained from those experiences and I pass those things on to the players in the hope it will make them better people in all aspects of their future lives. That seems like a sentence run on but you know what I mean. I would not knowingly break any rules. Believe me my AD would let me know it. I am, as I stated earlier in this thread, in favor of players getting a little extra work in if they want. To me, the benefits out weigh the negatives; just my opinion!

just wondering, according to ihsa, what is the official date that high schools can have tryouts for spring sports? our high school has followed that date date to the 't' so far. i think, fall...aug 13, winter....nov. 10. not from school but, i heard mar. 2nd for spring. that sounds late to me.

Yes. March 2 is the date of our first tryout also and you're right it is late.

great. now, he has more time to practice.

the other day our new coach started talking to me about not showing up to these "optional" open gyms. I told him that I was working out at a place with mounds and where I can do all my drill work. I told him I can go in there whenever I want and get more done there then school. Becuase at school they only throw for about 15 mins at these 2 hr open gyms. He also told me I won't be hitting so there's no point to go there and hit.I am trying to get better on my own time and putting more time in then most of the players on the team. So he kept telling I need to be going but saying its "optional". Obviously not what he meant. Any advice?

isn't baseball a "team" game?

BBLefty21, request a meeting individually with your coach and parent.

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Originally posted by NelsonGord:
Along the same lines I was working with a couple kids today who said that they have early morning lifting for baseball before school three times a week, and then have to go to football lifting after school. That is one of the most counterproductive things I have ever heard.

As a fellow Academy owner, I couldn't agree more. These off-season, 6:00am, 3x/week, "voluntary" weightlifting sessions for baseball players should be just that...voluntary and optional without any repercussions whatsoever. My son works with a personal trainer twice a week and trains at his old man's facility 2 to 3 times a week. That, in my professional and parental opinion, is more than enough regardless of what his coach might suggest. There's way too much confusion between football and baseball off-season "conditioning" and until that's better defined within the schools, there will continue to be these types of philosophical differences and conflicts...JMO.

I wholeheartedly agree Bravescoach... our boys have always been pressured to attend the 3x weekly "weight training" sessions in the off-season, which are really no more than "show your face" sessions for most of the team. They just stand around and waste time because they are required to work out "as a team" and truthfully most of the team has no clue how to work hard on their own. I think coaches do it because every one else does it and they're all afraid to be the only ones not "working" in the off-season.

In the meantime, #3 is working with a personal trainer, going to the gym on his own 5X a week and at the cages every spare moment. But when he asked coach for a pass on the "team lifting" he was told that as a senior captain he needed to be there to send a message. So he goes.

I am not opposed to off-season training by any means (as evidenced by the $$ that goes into the above mentioned). But I am against pretending that you are preparing for the season by doing meaningless, time-wasting non-sport specific weight training and requiring that everyone play along.

Each week my son has four voluntary high school work outs, three travel team work outs and three sessions with a personal trainer. In addition, he needs to work in the "off season" to have spending money for college. Needless to say, some of these are going to be missed because of conflicts with his work schedule. The player just needs to provide a calendar for his coach to show how he is preparing for the season. When he is at the voluntary work out, he should, obviously, work harder than everyone to show that he is not falling behind in his conditioning.

I don't think that you should blame the coaches for having these voluntary workouts. If kids aren't on travel teams or seeing trainers, they need to have some place to count on to prepare for the season. I think that we should thank the coaches for that.

And it's no wonder players are running away "burnt out!"

10 different sessions per week for how many hours?? Plus schoolwork, a job, etc?

This is girl's basketball/volleyball here... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3790359

Terry,
With all due respect... my son's coach does not work with his players during the off season. He shows up in the weight room, takes a look around and leaves. I'm not being critical for the sake of being critical - I'm telling you how it is. There is a supervisor in the weight room - a young teacher who is paid a stipend for spending an extra hour in there every day after school making sure nobody gets hurt - but there is no coaching, no working with the team. Just a bunch of kids screwing around.

The pressure is on the players to do their own thing. The routine has not changed in 15 years - nothing latest and greatest there. I'm not saying that's the way it is everywhere - I'm saying that's the way it is at our school. And the players with true desire to prepare for the season know it's not what they need - they do exactly the same workout as the football players - and they resent that they are being required to show up when they could be using the time elsewhere on their own.

I agree that it's great for the opportunity to be there for the kids who don't have any other training options or who wouldn't do it on their own. But why can't RRF8's idea be implemented - coach requires X number of hours per week and player is responsible for letting him know how and where he's putting in the time? For those coaches who are doing more - good for you and good for your players. But there are coaches who are only going through the motions.

I had two boys go thru this. Trying to do everything (high school & early mornings, plus they do their own thing at night)and both got mono their senior year. I am not sure I really know how to solve the problem because they both wanted to do both & I would never encourage them to skip either. But, on the other hand, it is very, very hard on high school kids to burn the candle at both ends. My oldest finished his senior year very, very sick (swollen liver)and we never even knew he had it. You just have to find a balance because if you do not, you really risk putting their health in jeopardy.

My son has surpervised lifting 4 times per week. Not a baseball coach, but a stgregnth and conditioning coach that does sport specific strength and conditioning. The team throws a couple of times a week in the morning (open gym stuff). He gets a hitting lesson on Sunday's and has a travel team practice on Sunday Nights.

It's a lot of work, not like rrf8's son. Hard work pays off. You have to know your limits. We are lucky to have two strength coache's at the school. The teams still struggle, but you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Meanwhile I think my son should be ready for a good spring, and no rules are broken.

Best thing is get on a great summer team. My 15 y.o. plays on a team that plays great competition all summer (out of state tournaments-Perfect Game Showcase get your kid seen)
My point is his summer team offers fall ball double headers every Sunday practices 2-3X wk usally player specific one on one.---Practices 2-3X wk till high school tryouts--then after high school back to summer team which plays mostly tournaments on weekends--Can do high school summer team on weekdays
My son was prepared for the tryouts and that is what you need when tryouts are 3 days--1hr45min in a gym-you need to shine

Had the first live game simulation tonight, under the lights of our gym, Palatine Grey 2, Palatine Red 2. As you may have guessed pitchers had the upper hand tonight. Game 2 tomorrow. Pretty good opener.

Ok, sorry it's an old thread.  But any updates or changes for 2014.  With HS starting, curious on what can or can't be done.