How does Perfect game Rank players? on ability ? projections? numbers? why does other scouting services rank differently, I've spoke to a few Scouts and Agents and they said they follow PG numbers .
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They likely rank on all three, and probably other things as well. Which is most important is anyone's guess. Other scouting services rank differently because, well, they are different scouting services. There is no magic formula, and if there was, they wouldn't give it away.
The good thing about this site is that there is a record of every discussion and this one comes up fairly regularly. Here is a fairly recent thread (from last October) where PG Staff weighs in on the rankings and how they are made.
thx , I have to setup my searching skillz!!!
No coach or scout is looking to Perfect Game to get their recruiting list, I can promise you that.
TIM2014,
How can you "promise" that? I can promise you that if a new player shows up ranked high, he will be on most every power college program's list in a hurry. Whether he stays on that list will be determined later. Same goes for the scouting community.
As always, people can find past rankings from most any year. Compare those lists to what ends up happening at colleges and in the draft. Check and see for yourself if they have been accurate. Then after you have found they are very reliable, ask yourself, why would any college coach or MLB scout ignore those lists?
We live in a world where we communicate daily with college coaches and scouts. The communication is "always" about players. We get questions like this about players they haven't seen... Can so and so play for us? We get these from some of the top colleges in the nation. If they thought we didn't know, why would they ask us?
I've heard way too often, that scouts and recruiters don't pay any attention to the rankings. That couldn't be more wrong.
The rankings are not the end all. It is simply a reference piece. But why would anyone making a living by evaluating players ignore a list of the top players compiled by people who see more players than anyone. This year there will be over 800 players that attended PG events and went on to play in the Major Leagues. Almost anyone that has seen that many future Major League players while they were in high school should have a pretty good idea of how to accurately evaluate talent.
Anyway, to answer the question... Rankings are based on our opinion of the player. The obvious is his current talent and the rankings are heavily based on our opinion of his future talent level. So it is what we see along with what we think we will see several years later. There is no perfection when it comes to scouting. Everyone is wrong at times. Whether our events or somewhere else, every player ranked we have seen. There is no other scouting service that does that, outside of professional baseball. No one else actually sees that many players. And no one else spends the money required to get this done. PG has the largest scouting staff in "all" of baseball. Over the years we have hired former scouts and we have lost many of our younger scouts to MLB clubs.
The one thing that never happens when it comes to recruiting or scouting is PG being ignored!
I apologize if any of the above bothers anyone. But it is something we take extremely serious.
Tim2014 posted:No coach or scout is looking to Perfect Game to get their recruiting list, I can promise you that.
I can promise you that a certain perfect game profile was discussed between me and a certain college coach, recently. 
I can tell you that a certain MLB agents look at PG more than any other services , and I was told to have my son attend the PG events if we wanted to get the best looks ..and prospect out there .
As a dad who just had a "pitcher" get recruited to a D1 this year with a "ok" Perfect Game ranking/score (we knew he basically didn't have much to show at showcases, as all he does is win/get outs 86mph 6'0" RHP), but with a 12 year old on the way who is a "hitter" who will stand out at Showcases, we know that it is important to get him in front of the right people, and we firmly believe (based on results that we've seen from others) that PG is one of the best avenues to accomplish this.
I can also tell you from personal experience that coaches do indeed often look at PG profiles in making their recruiting lists. My own son saw a dramatic increase in attention the week his PG profile went up. He only threw 1.2 innings and it was during the quiet period, so no coaches saw him in person at this event. However he put up a velocity number that at least got him onto some recruiting lists he was not on before.
I need to research PG to learn more. So I have a 12U Travel ball player that has good results on the mound. Removing "daddy" goggles, I get tons of compliments on his pitching and have for a few years. This is last year pitching at 50' and who knows what 54' let alone 60'...but should I get him involved with PG at this age?
Gmnk posted:I need to research PG to learn more. So I have a 12U Travel ball player that has good results on the mound. Removing "daddy" goggles, I get tons of compliments on his pitching and have for a few years. This is last year pitching at 50' and who knows what 54' let alone 60'...but should I get him involved with PG at this age?
At that age, PG tourneys are more or less like USSSA, AAU, Triple Crown or any other organization tournament. No real advantage over anything else a 12u team would do.
Actually we would very much like to see the best 12 year olds. We don't rank them or put a PG grade on them, but we still want to know who they are. We have an interest in following the top players no matter what age they are. Will any of that actually help the young player? Maybe, maybe not. Still we have this curiosity of finding out who the best are and then tracking them to see how things turn out in the future. So along with everything else, we want to keep young kids involved in baseball as they grow older. Many end up specializing in other sports because they don't understand the opportunities in baseball.
I do know that our opinion of a young player would often be much different than the opinion of his parents. I also know that many not so talented 12 year olds will become prospects as they get older. But if you could choose the 100 best 12 year olds out of thousands of players, wouldn't it be interesting to know what happens to them? Worst case, you would be wrong about most all of them and know for sure it is completely meaningless. But we have many reasons to believe, based on experience, that you would be right about most of them. If that were true, just think about the things you can do to help guide them.
Please don't think this has anything to do with eliminating fun or taking away other sports and activities. We understand that young kids need to be young kids. Going fishing with Dad is huge!
Before anyone thinks I'm nuts, I think I will admit to it. Years ago I heard there was a young 13 year old kid that set the all time local record in sprinting. I found out where he lived and went to talk to him and his parents. My goal was to see if we could get him interested in baseball. When I got to their place it was in the poorest part of town. Big apartment building with half the windows broken and the front entry door wide open. I knocked and knocked until someone finally answered. They told me the kids mom was in jail for dealing drugs and prostitution. I said where is the young kid? They said they hadn't seen him for a week or more. So later I checked with the school and sure enough he had disappeared. They said he had moved to Chicago. End of the story, wish I had known about him a few weeks earlier. I can't help but wonder what ever happened to him. I also wonder about what might have happened had we been able to get him interested in baseball and helped him grow up. It still bothers me a little that I gave up the search.
I never even met this young boy or talked to him. I don't even know what he looked like. All I know is he was an African American and he was the fastest runner at his age ever in our city. Maybe he lacked other skills, maybe not. Guess I will never know.
Maybe someday we will run across others in his situation or others with unusual talent for their age. Maybe that kid will be in a normal living situation, but just needs some guidance. Maybe the kid has wacko parents leading him the wrong way by their example. Maybe his parents aren't experienced in baseball and need some guidance. Whatever the case, it makes me feel good if and when we can help. You see, there are much bigger rewards than just making money. I don't need more money, or compliments, I need more of those other bigger rewards. Can't ever get too many of those!
How does a top 500 list in the class of 2017 have 953? Are 453 players tied?
I knew there was not an exact cutoff at 500 (more of a rounding to 500), but cannot believe that many got lumped in. I know they have finite rankings up through maybe 100 and then start grouping them in buckets of 50 (or at least that is how it is outlined in the College Recruiting rankings - each group of fifty is awarded a different point total - that the entire bottom half on the Top 1000 gets assigned 2 points followed by High Follow getting 1 point)
How did you come up with the total of 953?
19 pages +3 of 50 players listed in the national 500. Could be they are expanding out each position.
The 2017 have not been re-ranked in 3 months which seems unusual as well. Database issues?
Tim2014 posted:No coach or scout is looking to Perfect Game to get their recruiting list, I can promise you that.
Sometimes it's better to remain quiet and thought ........
c2019 posted:thx , I have to setup my searching skillz!!!
I'm guessing you are the 2019 and not the dad. Please don't take this wrong. I'm trying to help. You're on a board with a lot of adults who can help. You would be better served, and respected if you communicated like an adult and not a teen texter. It will also be good practice for communicating with college coaches in the future. Good luck in your quest to play college ball.
Gmnk posted:I need to research PG to learn more. So I have a 12U Travel ball player that has good results on the mound. Removing "daddy" goggles, I get tons of compliments on his pitching and have for a few years. This is last year pitching at 50' and who knows what 54' let alone 60'...but should I get him involved with PG at this age?
Wait until your son is locating the ball in the 80s from 60 feet. Otherwise there's nothing to show.
PGStaff posted:TIM2014,
How can you "promise" that? I can promise you that if a new player shows up ranked high, he will be on most every power college program's list in a hurry. Whether he stays on that list will be determined later. Same goes for the scouting community.
As always, people can find past rankings from most any year. Compare those lists to what ends up happening at colleges and in the draft. Check and see for yourself if they have been accurate. Then after you have found they are very reliable, ask yourself, why would any college coach or MLB scout ignore those lists?
We live in a world where we communicate daily with college coaches and scouts. The communication is "always" about players. We get questions like this about players they haven't seen... Can so and so play for us? We get these from some of the top colleges in the nation. If they thought we didn't know, why would they ask us?
I've heard way too often, that scouts and recruiters don't pay any attention to the rankings. That couldn't be more wrong.
The rankings are not the end all. It is simply a reference piece. But why would anyone making a living by evaluating players ignore a list of the top players compiled by people who see more players than anyone. This year there will be over 800 players that attended PG events and went on to play in the Major Leagues. Almost anyone that has seen that many future Major League players while they were in high school should have a pretty good idea of how to accurately evaluate talent.
Anyway, to answer the question... Rankings are based on our opinion of the player. The obvious is his current talent and the rankings are heavily based on our opinion of his future talent level. So it is what we see along with what we think we will see several years later. There is no perfection when it comes to scouting. Everyone is wrong at times. Whether our events or somewhere else, every player ranked we have seen. There is no other scouting service that does that, outside of professional baseball. No one else actually sees that many players. And no one else spends the money required to get this done. PG has the largest scouting staff in "all" of baseball. Over the years we have hired former scouts and we have lost many of our younger scouts to MLB clubs.
The one thing that never happens when it comes to recruiting or scouting is PG being ignored!
I apologize if any of the above bothers anyone. But it is something we take extremely serious.
PGSTAFF, Thanks for the great info,
So lets say the kid is ranked high as a freshman in his state, PG gives him a AA award, would the kid be on the list(some schools)? , but I've heard the schools cannot contact him until the beginning of his JR year of High school, what does one do until then beside on improving everyday?
thanks ,