How its done.

There is no doubt in my mind that Williams was one of the greatest hitters ever but kids and instructors have to realize he did what he did because of the God Given gifts he had---most of which cannot be taught---isnt this typical of most great hitters ?

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Originally posted by TRhit:
There is no doubt in my mind that Williams was one of the greatest hitters ever but kids and instructors have to realize he did what he did because of the God Given gifts he had---most of which cannot be taught---isnt this typical of most great hitters ?

I would agree to a point BUT he also had KNOWLEDGE and we can all learn from him.

Amazing watching the bat after making contact. Guess Ted liked to follow thru to the fullest extent.

Nice find deemax

PGS, this is the first time I have seen this footage. Its by far the best clip I have seen of Ted Williams.

Notice how linear he is just before using PCR with shoulder tilt just before torquing the handle while using his middle (not hips). (Start posting again Bluedog!)

Whatever he was doing sure was pretty to watch.

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Originally posted by deemax:
I have yet to see this slow mo clip that happens in the first 30 seconds. The greatest. If your capable, emulate him.

Best Hack

Pretty good idea to immulate the most productive hitter of all time. With a lifetime.344 BA, 1.116 OPS and would have hit 836 HRs if he had Aaron's number of at bats, he also only struck out an average of every 10.86 at bats. AMAZING! Bond's would be 954HRs with the same number of at bats as Aaron. But who would be at the top given the same number of at bats??? I know the answer. Who else can tell me? I think HRs per at bat is a better measure of who is the greatest home run hitter of all time anyway. Just like batting average is a better indicator of who the best hitter was, not most hits.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
Amazing watching the bat after making contact. Guess Ted liked to follow thru to the fullest extent.

Nice find deemax

Knob to the ball, keep the angle as long as possible, great torque, extension just happens as a result of all these things.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
There is no doubt in my mind that Williams was one of the greatest hitters ever but kids and instructors have to realize he did what he did because of the God Given gifts he had---most of which cannot be taught---isnt this typical of most great hitters ?

His eyesite was his gift, he WORKED at everything else! His mechanics (and even concentration, to some) CAN be taught, his vision and work ethic can't!

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Pretty good idea to immulate the most productive hitter of all time. With a lifetime.344 BA, 1.116 OPS and would have hit 836 HRs if he had Aaron's number of at bats, he also only struck out an average of every 10.86 at bats. AMAZING! Bond's would be 954HRs with the same number of at bats as Aaron. But who would be at the top given the same number of at bats??? I know the answer. Who else can tell me? I think HRs per at bat is a better measure of who is the greatest home run hitter of all time anyway. Just like batting average is a better indicator of who the best hitter was, not most hits.

Honestly, why do you feel Hank Aaron is inferior to todays players and his peers. You always seem to take a jab at him....

micmiester

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Hank Aaron had over 12,000 at bats and that is the only reason he is the all time home run leader. I think if he played today he would be at best a .200 hitter unless he changed his style.

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Originally posted by deemax:

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Pretty good idea to immulate the most productive hitter of all time. With a lifetime.344 BA, 1.116 OPS and would have hit 836 HRs if he had Aaron's number of at bats, he also only struck out an average of every 10.86 at bats. AMAZING! Bond's would be 954HRs with the same number of at bats as Aaron. But who would be at the top given the same number of at bats??? I know the answer. Who else can tell me? I think HRs per at bat is a better measure of who is the greatest home run hitter of all time anyway. Just like batting average is a better indicator of who the best hitter was, not most hits.

Honestly, why do you feel Hank Aaron is inferior to todays players and his peers. You always seem to take a jab at him....

micmiester

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Hank Aaron had over 12,000 at bats and that is the only reason he is the all time home run leader. I think if he played today he would be at best a .200 hitter unless he changed his style.

Not at all! I believe he was a GREAT all around player and is with out a doubt a Hall of Famer. I don't, however, consider him to have been the greatest home run hitter of all time. I think he should be known for his durability, consistency, all around talent and the way he went about his job, not for being the GREATEST Home run hitter of all-time. I think he would be a great choice for Commissioner! I agree with what Joe Morgan said the other night, that it's a shame that the only recognition Hank Aaron has gotten was when he broke Ruth's record and now that Bonds is about to break his record. As far as my statement about him being a .200 hitter with the hitting mechanics he had back then, IMO it is true, but I think many player's mechanics from that era would struggle today. That was what the original post in that thread was refering to. I do, however, think he would have done what he needed to do to change and adapt, he was that kind of dedicated ballplayer.

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As far as my statement about him being a .200 hitter with the hitting mechanics he had back then, IMO it is true, but I think many player's mechanics from that era would struggle today.

What if you flip this around... Would the best pitchers of the 60's be able to pitch effectivly today? IYO.

At the moment the greatest Home Run pace is being run by the kid Shelly Duncan on the Yankees.
(5 HR in 22 AB's)

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Originally posted by deemax:

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As far as my statement about him being a .200 hitter with the hitting mechanics he had back then, IMO it is true, but I think many player's mechanics from that era would struggle today.

What if you flip this around... Would the best pitchers of the 60's be able to pitch effectivly today? IYO.

Yes, some would. By changing speeds and hitting locations, they would still be effective, but IMO, they would not be strike out pitchers. I don't happen to think that is that important though. Some may still even be at the very top of today's pitchers as far as ERA and wins. Not sure Bob Gibson or Bob Feller would be as dominating, due to rule changes, but they would still be good. By the way, there is some good footage of Ty Cobb on the Youtube site as well. He would not be as effective today either. He would get his butt kicked if he tried to do some of the things he did. There is a great picture of him sliding into home with his spikes at waist height on the Catcher.


Oops! Just realized you said 60s. Kofax would still be very good, he's kind of like Dontrell Willis and he's effective.

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Originally posted by Quincy:
At the moment the greatest Home Run pace is being run by the kid Shelly Duncan on the Yankees.
(5 HR in 22 AB's)

I'm talking career and he would have to have at least 3,000 at bats.

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Oops! Just realized you said 60s. Kofax would still be very good, he's kind of like Dontrell Willis and he's effective.

In regards to Koufax I to think he would transcend and be dominant today. With that being said, Hank Aaron hit .372 with 7 hr in 113 ab's vs. Koufax.

Deemax,

here is how I see it:

Best hitters of all time:

1) Arthur Shamsky
2) Kenny Bosssssswelllllllllllll
3) Ted Williams

Ya Gotta Believe !!!

Deemax,

And Ted barely beat out this dude for the #3 spot

Mr. Jerry Buchek

Here is the Top 10:

1) Arthur Shamsky
2) Kennny Bosssswellllll
3) Ted Williams
4) Jerry Buchek
5) Don Clendenon
6) Cleon Jones
7) Tommie Agee
8) Ed Kranepool
9) Ty Cobb
10 ) Chico Esquela

Ya Gotta Believe!

11) Wayne Garrett
12) Ed Charles
13) Henry Aaron
14) Ron Swoboda
15) Jerry Grote

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Originally posted by deemax:

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Oops! Just realized you said 60s. Kofax would still be very good, he's kind of like Dontrell Willis and he's effective.

In regards to Koufax I to think he would transcend and be dominant today. With that being said, Hank Aaron hit .372 with 7 hr in 113 ab's vs. Koufax.

That's still only 1 in 16 at bats for HRs. You know who #1 is?