How many earned runs did i give up?

BTW my coach put me down for 4 earned, but I'm 90% sure he's wrong on this.

This narrative is not self-consistent.

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Originally posted by northwest:
B1: Error (a runner, but can't become an earned run)
B2: hit (second runner, can become earned run)
B3: 4-3 putout, runners advance to 2nd and 3rd 1 out. (not a runner)
B4: Sac Fly out, runners stay at 2B and 1B. (1 run scores, unearned, but how come there is a runner at 1st?)
B5: Walk. (runner, potentially earned)
B6: Error, runner scores, runner to 3rd, batter to 2B. I get taken out with 2 of my runners on. ( 2nd run. This could be the 3rd out of the inning, but you don't say if he should have been out at first. That matters.)

B7: 3 run HR
B8: out

No way to tell from your description whether the coach was right or not.

Please believe me when I tell you that none of this matters. Your coach will have the same opinion about your pitching regardless of the scoring rules.

sorry the walk should have been before the sac fly.

B6 was a pop up to the LF which he camped under, but dropped.

I'm not worried about my coach, but for my own personal sanity my era is listed as way higher than I think it actually is.

If I follow that correctly, I would score no earned runs.

That's what I thought. Thank you very much.

I assume B1 should have been an out. If inning is reconstructed without errors, it should have ended with B4 flying out and no runs would have scored. So yes I agree with 0 ER

I would say zero earned based on the discussion.

Again, if your coach thinks you gave up four, he has a different opinion of your outting than you did. It's him you have to impress, not us stats geeks.

This is an interesting chain of events because it shows how scoring the ERs have to sometimes be done very carefully.

Assuming the 1st runner reached because of an error, not a wild pitch on a K, and the error on the 6th batter wasn’t a hit with an error allowing the runners to take an extra base, I don’t see how any of the runs you gave up were earned.

But this is something to keep in mind. Unless you’ve seen the scoresheet and know for sure how all those things were scored before the stats were finally entered, it may just be that you and the scorer don’t agree on what happened. That doesn’t mean you’re right or wrong, but rather that you disagree on how to score something, the same way you and an umpire might disagree on a called pitch. The thing is, the scorer is the final say-so, unless overruled by the coach.

That’s another thing that sometimes confuses issues like this too. It may well be that the coach doesn’t agree with the scorer, and of course he has the authority to change anything in the book. I score for a HS team and do the stats as well, but no one other than me ever touches the scorebook. I send the HC a report after each game for his review, and he sometimes questions or disagrees with something I marked. We discuss it and sometimes he convinces me to change it, and sometimes I convince him I’m correct.

In order for you to be absolutely sure, you’ll have to speak to someone who has authority over the book.

But here’s an interesting twist on the inning you gave us. Even though it looks like you shouldn’t have been charged with any ERs, that reliever get charged with 1 ER for sure. And here’s something even screwier. The ERs for pitcher #1 would be 0. The ERs for pitcher #2 would be 1. But the ERs for the team would be 0.

Our coach actually signals to our scorekeeper how to score it, so he must have had the difference of opinion. Also, I got pulled, so he must have thought it was my fault they were getting on.

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Originally posted by northwest:
Our coach actually signals to our scorekeeper how to score it, so he must have had the difference of opinion. Also, I got pulled, so he must have thought it was my fault they were getting on.

Allow me to address your last statement 1st.

Don’t think you can read the coach’s mind. If you really want to know why he pulled you, the only way to do that is to ask. He may have had you on a pitch count, noticed something you were doing mechanically wrong, remembered your history with the next hitter, seen something in your body language that told him to get you out of there, or it may have been his “gut feeling”.

But what ever it was, you need to understand that coaches sometimes pull a pitcher to “protect” them as opposed to punishing them for failure.

Now for your 1st statement. There isn’t a decent SK I’ve ever run into that takes signals from a coach about how to mark something. Now there are times I’ll walk over and ask the coach about a particular play because I have some question in my mind and I think he had a better view of the play. There is also plenty of room for discussion after a game too. But not during the game!

If the coach wants that much control, he may as well keep the book in the dugout and have some player score things exactly as the he says.

The scorekeeper is my friends dad and he's been told by our coach that basically its his team so he gets to say what goes. SK gets no say. It is what it is but most of the ERA's, batting averages, OBP's, Fielding %'s and Error totals are all way off. Another question would be how to tell a college that who asks for stats.

It is because HS stats tend to be "slanted" that most college coaches don't bother.

The only stats colleges care about are HR's, IP and K's. Just about everything else is too subjective.

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Originally posted by northwest:
The scorekeeper is my friends dad and he's been told by our coach that basically its his team so he gets to say what goes. SK gets no say. It is what it is but most of the ERA's, batting averages, OBP's, Fielding %'s and Error totals are all way off. Another question would be how to tell a college that who asks for stats.

I can’t say for sure what I’d do because its never happened, but I can’t picture myself keeping a book I knew was wrong. I’ve been in many a “discussion” with HS and college coaches about how to score something, and I’ve changed something in the book, but never blindly because it was the coach’s way or the highway. I’ll take the highway every time because there are scads of coaches out there who want a true book and someone to keep it.

As JMoff says, most college recruiters and coaches won’t bother to ask about things that are subject to the whims of a coach. But that’s dependent on whether or not they’re familiar with the program. Over the last 11 years I’ve had many college coaches contact me about players, but most of them know me and my work as well as the two programs I’ve scored and kept stats for.