How Much Does Your Prospective College Spend On BB ?

Have accessed this website a lot. Great info and very informative. Right now Cal Berkeley professors are having fits about the amount of money spent on athletics at their college. They've seen many budget cuts and now the regents have voted to raise the University of CA tuition by 30% next year. The professors resent "loaning" the athletic dept something like 6 million/yr. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Along those lines, looked up son's conference with all private schools. Funny their expenses and revenues balance! It is interesting to see how much each school spends per athlete in each sport.

Thanks for posting this site again Bobblehead.

Have also accessed this for info as well, I beleive someone posted it a while back and I bookmarked it.

Good thing to check out, does the school have big support from alumni giving and endowments, which help subsidize programs and facilities where and when needed. Without that help, many programs, even the larger ones couldn't survive.

I still don't see where this site tells you that most pitching coaches don't get paid.

TPM if you go to the coaches salaries it shows the assistants salaries as an average. Some AC get paid well like your son's college. Many don't receive any money or very little.
My statement comes from actually asking PC what kind of pay a guy might expect since my son was looking into it. One laughed and said he was basically a volunteer. 2 said they couldn't do it if it weren't for their clinics they ran. My son worked at their camps as an instructor.
I also talk to coaches at camps and games. One is a HC here in my hometown. He was a PC in the US and he did it to become a HC. This seems to be a common reason.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
TPM if you go to the coaches salaries it shows the assistants salaries as an average. Some AC get paid well like your son's college. Many don't receive any money or very little.
My statement comes from actually asking PC what kind of pay a guy might expect since my son was looking into it. One laughed and said he was basically a volunteer. 2 said they couldn't do it if it weren't for their clinics they ran. My son worked at their camps as an instructor.
I also talk to coaches at camps and games. One is a HC here in my hometown. He was a PC in the US and he did it to become a HC. This seems to be a common reason.

BBH, your small sampling of pitching coaches have lead you to a broad assumption of all schools.

Different schools pay pitching coaches differently, many if not most that I am aware of have the pitching coach as one of the paid assistants, but remember not many coaches are paid overly well in the first place.

Look, BHD, even the volunteer assistant coaches make money. They just make it "off the books," in ways that doesn't show up in the official budget reported to the NCAA.

They get paid for staffing the prospect camps, they give private lessons, they get stipends for attending recruiting showcases.

Being on a college coaching staff is pretty much a full time, all year round job. To claim that most or even a few are unpaid is just plain wrong.

A lot of the pitching coaches are the head recruiters as well so they do double duty.

Homerun04 and RK got it right.

Most assistant coaches do what they do to move up the ladder, the main reason why coaches leave for other programs.

Everything that you posted still shows no proof that most (as you stated) pc's don't get paid.

Not another argument coming on ? Read what the reported incomes are. If you call 12-15 grand getting paid then you are correct.
Didn't I say that they make money by going to camps and giving instruction.
So if the college reports AC average salary = 14 grand and there is 1 AC the math is pretty simple. Larger programs do pay their coaches well.

BD,

Any idea on the definitions of the revenues sources and expenses? Looked up a couple of non-football schools and cannot imagination $5 million in gate revenue for the sports they have?

Everyone has an opinion. BHD has his others have theirs. I know some college pitching coaches that could probably qualifiy for food stamps. I know some that do quite well. But really whats the point of bashing BHD thread after thread? Lets let this go its not productive imo.

This is great information in the context of comparisions for each school, conference, division and sport that a student athlete may consider. A lot more information than I had a few minutes ago. Thanks for posting.

What I find interesting is the difference that one school spends per BB player. ASU spent $17,000 compared to Harvard that spent $8,000. Typical small programs about $3-$4,000.

Thanks for the link BHD! Good peek in at what the school values wrt sports.

Bobblehead- how the heck does ASU spend so much money per player?????? I didn't check a lot of schools but this seems excessive. Very interesting. Does that figure per player include the coaches salaries? It's not travel because so many teams come to them.

Coaches salaries are separate.
I believe it includes scholarships, travel,maintenance and all things other than coaches salaries. It also shows all the revenues and net profit.

Sandlot I hope it helps, The link has been posted a few times over the years that I have been here. I thought this would be a good time to put it up again.

Interesting for 2007 University of Arkansas was $24,781 and U Texas was $35,531 per player

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Coaches salaries are separate.
I believe it includes scholarships, travel,maintenance and all things other than coaches salaries. It also shows all the revenues and net profit.

Honestly, the "accounting info" is pretty thin and probebely no more accurate then the stimulas database You can look up the term definitions at: [URL=http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/glossaryPopup.aspx?idlink=3][/URL]

Operating expenses is defined as

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All expenses an institution incurs attributable to home, away, and neutral-site intercollegiate athletic contests (commonly known as game-day expenses), for (A) Lodging, meals, transportation, uniforms, and equipment for coaches, team members, support staff (including, but not limited to team managers and trainers), and others; and (B) Officials.

Due to the lack of detailed info on this website its virtually impossible to benchmark similiar programs against one another. And as an accountant who used to work with colleges and high schools, I can virtually gurantee the data as reported is not accurate, let alone consistent from one institution to another....which is one reason its not reported in detail!

Certainly small figures stand out from large ones, but thats the best you can do with this database.

This site provides us with an interesting overview of the baseball programs finances. I'm certain that these reports lack details but as an overview this works well. What I did find interesting for example was the ability to look up some of the baseball programs that we recently killed such as the University of Northern Iowa. It seems that the AD made an unusual choice to kill a marquee sport (baseball) over the less popular wrestling program (not wanting to knock wrestling mind you) which had expenses that were roughly the same dollars with the same amount of participants. There was a lot of fuss made over this decision along with petitions and fund raising efforts to save the program. It really makes you wonder if the AD just had it in for baseball after all.

I looked up one university and found the Average Annual Institutional Salary per Assistant Coach $182,334 is spread over all athletic programs and assistant coaches.

It appears the numbers on this site are not baseball specific.