Linear
For a guy who degrades every other approach you have shown us nothing
You, and bluedog , are still shills for the guy you cannot mention--he of the claymotion images
Show us something and perhaps we can believe you
Based on what you have shown I wouldn't let my grandmother take lessons from you for no cost.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Linear
For a guy who degrades every other approach you have shown us nothing
And I thought we became friends on the quarterbacking issue.
Guess not, so.......
STICK TO THE ISSUES OLD MAN. EITHER ASK QUESTIONS, OR, IF YOU CAN'T FORMULATE ANY, STUDY SOME.
Linear
I take offense to the capitilized OLD MAN comment-- at least I know who I am--never changed my ID anywhere , anytime-- I can stand up and face people as to who I am-- can you with all your ID's ?
It is really scary in this day and age when a poster needs to use various ID's--
I take offense to the capitilized OLD MAN comment-- at least I know who I am--never changed my ID anywhere , anytime-- I can stand up and face people as to who I am-- can you with all your ID's ?
It is really scary in this day and age when a poster needs to use various ID's--
Mommy, mommy.....
The record will show that TR threw the first punch, I countered, and now he's whining about it.
Swingbuster and I are/were having our discussion. Each was supporting their views with substance, and each poster/lurker could make a decision on their own about who to follow. OR, unlike some, could decide they don't care and read elsewhere.
How about we short circuit the entire discussion and just assume It's and Glove Man threw their punches, I countered them into oblivion, and then mommy told us to stop.
It will save everyone time.
The record will show that TR threw the first punch, I countered, and now he's whining about it.
Swingbuster and I are/were having our discussion. Each was supporting their views with substance, and each poster/lurker could make a decision on their own about who to follow. OR, unlike some, could decide they don't care and read elsewhere.
How about we short circuit the entire discussion and just assume It's and Glove Man threw their punches, I countered them into oblivion, and then mommy told us to stop.
It will save everyone time.
Linear...please explain how you teach players to "load the center". what are your key teaching points you tell the guys
I am obsessed with "how the hands get back". Certain movement patterns assist the shoulder loading making that move more natural for many players.
The shoulder and hips work in concert and how can the center be discussed if it doesn't include both...does it?
If the stride moves weight to keep the center of gravity under the rotation what moves the shoulders back?
How do you tell people to do this?
I am obsessed with "how the hands get back". Certain movement patterns assist the shoulder loading making that move more natural for many players.
The shoulder and hips work in concert and how can the center be discussed if it doesn't include both...does it?
If the stride moves weight to keep the center of gravity under the rotation what moves the shoulders back?
How do you tell people to do this?
quote:Originally posted by Linear:
How about we short circuit the entire discussion and just assume It's and Glove Man threw their punches, I countered them into oblivion, and then mommy told us to stop.
It will save everyone time.
LOL
I found this post of interest and enjoyed the opinions and the give and take.
Discussing hitting in person is tough enough, online is nearly impossible but it is still interesting and thought provoking at times.
However, just like it used to be when I frequented more, some people can’t leave the thread alone even though he has nothing substantive to share. It’s the same type of garbage that wore me out from posting.
This is a great site for the most part! Some add a little humor; some add a little logic and some people share their experience. However a few people seem to think they need to jump into every thread just to see their words on the screen, I guess?
It’s too bad because not only does it mess up that thread for others; it also wrecks the thread wrecker’s credibility in the threads they may actually have something to contribute.
I remember others using the analogy that it might make sense to approach this forum like a buffet. It’s all right to pick and choose. You don’t have to eat everything, every time. If it doesn’t make you sick, it will probably make others around you sick.
Merry Christmas to all.
Discussing hitting in person is tough enough, online is nearly impossible but it is still interesting and thought provoking at times.
However, just like it used to be when I frequented more, some people can’t leave the thread alone even though he has nothing substantive to share. It’s the same type of garbage that wore me out from posting.
This is a great site for the most part! Some add a little humor; some add a little logic and some people share their experience. However a few people seem to think they need to jump into every thread just to see their words on the screen, I guess?
It’s too bad because not only does it mess up that thread for others; it also wrecks the thread wrecker’s credibility in the threads they may actually have something to contribute.
I remember others using the analogy that it might make sense to approach this forum like a buffet. It’s all right to pick and choose. You don’t have to eat everything, every time. If it doesn’t make you sick, it will probably make others around you sick.
Merry Christmas to all.
Swingbuster, I won't indulge in this topic too much since I've vowed to not go mud wrestling. However, we load with a slight (SLIGHT) rotation of the shoulders. We also have gone almost exclusivly to "Heal-Toe" for our base. This enables us to "coil" or "flex" and be ready to uncoil. We picked this up from the baseball Cardinals. Pujos and Edmonds both do this in their own ways. Listen as they both hit one day on the field.
quote:Swingbuster, I won't indulge in this topic too much since I've vowed to not go mud wrestling. However, we load with a slight (SLIGHT) rotation of the shoulders. We also have gone almost exclusivly to "Heal-Toe" for our base. This enables us to "coil" or "flex" and be ready to uncoil. We picked this up from the baseball Cardinals. Pujos and Edmonds both do this in their own ways. Listen as they both hit one day on the field.
Thanks for an honest, sincerely reply
My simple point is this. You can keep your same base( I personally like it) and experiment
( yes they will not break) with different hand positions and bat slots. **** the bat
( tipping toward the pitcher)out from the rear collar bone at about the same height. Have the bottom hand under the top and the bat in a verticle plane ( as seen from behind).This will facilitate a great shoulder load ( as natural as throwing) and all you have to say is "start it there and relax your hands and hit". Watch what happens .....
TRhit, you are really lost in all this....... 
I wish you knew enough to contribute, but, the truth is you don't....
I wish you knew enough to contribute, but, the truth is you don't....
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
TRhit, you are really lost in all this.......
I wish you knew enough to contribute, but, the truth is you don't....
Nice. What else you got there doggie - other than insults?
Cough up a hairball - or something. Anything original - if possible.
LOL
bluedog
I have to say the feeling is mutual--between you and linear, I have seen nothing-- at least swingbuster brings something to the table and I am not one who is into what I term "hitting gadgets" .He is realistic and makes sense and he has a purpose
You and your alter ego simply regurgiate what the claymation dolls show us--nothing at all original.
As for being lost I think not. At least I do not shill for others
I have to say the feeling is mutual--between you and linear, I have seen nothing-- at least swingbuster brings something to the table and I am not one who is into what I term "hitting gadgets" .He is realistic and makes sense and he has a purpose
You and your alter ego simply regurgiate what the claymation dolls show us--nothing at all original.
As for being lost I think not. At least I do not shill for others
Swingbuster, we want the bat in a 45 degree angle past the hitter's ear. We've had success with that. However, we won't change a hitter until they prove to us that they need changing. We use the top shoulders and hands as a unit. They rotate slightly all together. I can't stress enough slight rotation. Some people try to do this and move a couple of inches. That destroys the whole thing. We do teach hands and I know several here do not. However, we teach hands only when it becomes apparent that they are trying to swing around the ball and not to the ball. To set the hands where we want them, often all we really have to do is the rolled up towel under the lead arm's armpit. As per the back shoulder, I think someone alluded to that in this thread. We don't coach that other than to say relaxed and comfortable.
Oh, the bat at a 45 degree - here is how we arrived at that. Say you were in an alley with a bat and a bad man came along to attack you. How would you hold that bat if you had to fight for your life. I'm betting you would load it in a 45 degree angle. We simply are letting our hitters do what their instincts tell them to do. JMHO!
Oh, the bat at a 45 degree - here is how we arrived at that. Say you were in an alley with a bat and a bad man came along to attack you. How would you hold that bat if you had to fight for your life. I'm betting you would load it in a 45 degree angle. We simply are letting our hitters do what their instincts tell them to do. JMHO!
quote:...all we really have to do is the rolled up towel under the lead arm's armpit...
It's impossible to execute a high level swing with a towel being held in the lead arm armpit.
The lead arm (upper arm) must be perpendicular to the spine for maximum rotational efficiency and swing quickness.
Without that you lose the box and the body's ability to properly transfer energy up the chain.
By holding the lead arm down (holding something in the armpit) you can not effectively meet the proper pitch plane. By that I mean you can not transfer maximum energy to the ball while still meeting the pitch plane.
Beyond that a low lead arm is a major cause of early roll over.
If you want to hold a volleyball or basketball under the armpit, maybe. But, not a towel.
Is it possible to state your opinion, or ideas on here without bickering? I personally think the Setp** folks have a lot to offer. I do not however, always like the way it is served. A wise man once told me that you could land just as many flies with sugar as with $h!t.
Linear, to each their own. Disagree but then again, that is the norm for most things. Perhaps you know a better method. This works well for us. You can reference our hitting stats anytime. You know the site where those stats are kept. Pressure under the armpit? We are not putting pressure there. They aren't trying to get their elbow flush to their side. BTW, do you realize how big a towel rolled up is. In no way is their elbow next to their side.
We seem to be just fine getting our lead arm in the right place.
Perpendicular to the spine - to me Perpendicular means a 90 degree angle. So you teach to point your lead elbow to the pitcher?
We seem to be just fine getting our lead arm in the right place.Perpendicular to the spine - to me Perpendicular means a 90 degree angle. So you teach to point your lead elbow to the pitcher?
Linear writes...It's impossible to execute a high level swing with a towel being held in the lead arm armpit.
The lead arm (upper arm) must be perpendicular to the spine for maximum rotational efficiency and swing quickness""
It is NOT impossible to begin a high level swing there. Thats is what you don't see. Getting the bat out of plane on purpose forces the hands to move back , the bat to flatten, as you launch and is what increases torque and bat speed through hips shoulder separation. Why doesn't the pitcher just start with this hand back in the throwing position , turn and throw. What is the purpose of over lapping the upperbody take away and the lower body hips rotation to the plate
Starting on the 45 works for some and for some they are actually too quick to the ball and tug the knob. It is hard to project the barrel from there. You also have a tendency to start early and more difficulty with offspeed.
Again see Babe Ruth, Bo Jackson, Chipper, Kirby Puckett, Piazza, Giambi,Glaus. If you look close many start on 45, lower the lead elbow, cocking and making the bat go out of plane toward vertical and return to the 45 slot( as always ) at launch. Their hips **** , shoulders load, bat knob comes out toward oppo batter box, the barrel is perp to to ball flight.
If you have a kid that is not performing up to par just let them try it. It takes one minute to switch back.
The lead arm (upper arm) must be perpendicular to the spine for maximum rotational efficiency and swing quickness""
It is NOT impossible to begin a high level swing there. Thats is what you don't see. Getting the bat out of plane on purpose forces the hands to move back , the bat to flatten, as you launch and is what increases torque and bat speed through hips shoulder separation. Why doesn't the pitcher just start with this hand back in the throwing position , turn and throw. What is the purpose of over lapping the upperbody take away and the lower body hips rotation to the plate
Starting on the 45 works for some and for some they are actually too quick to the ball and tug the knob. It is hard to project the barrel from there. You also have a tendency to start early and more difficulty with offspeed.
Again see Babe Ruth, Bo Jackson, Chipper, Kirby Puckett, Piazza, Giambi,Glaus. If you look close many start on 45, lower the lead elbow, cocking and making the bat go out of plane toward vertical and return to the 45 slot( as always ) at launch. Their hips **** , shoulders load, bat knob comes out toward oppo batter box, the barrel is perp to to ball flight.
If you have a kid that is not performing up to par just let them try it. It takes one minute to switch back.
quote:...Thats is what you don't see.
The arguments you make are laughable at best.
Does CoachB25's drill (holding a towel under the lead armpit) allow for the player to drop the towel?
If so why do it?
It's impossible to HOLD the folded towel there and get the arm perpendicular to the spine at any point in the swing. Takes too much pressure to hold the towel and deal with the forces generated by the swing.
Finally, a still picture is the worst when it comes to analyzing what a hitter did or did not do. But, for anyone interested, this hitter is totally disconnected as he hits the ball. Not an ALL bad thing IF he made a great adjustment on the fly. And, he may have hit this ball out of the park. But, what is demonstrated in that still photo is not a high quality swing.
Linear
Show us something--so far all words and regurgitation from a claymation site-- join the real world--- I am waiting for the VIDEO
Show us something--so far all words and regurgitation from a claymation site-- join the real world--- I am waiting for the VIDEO
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