Chico Escuela posted:

luv baseball, who is the "they" behind this nefarious conspiracy theory?  And how did they get to Fauci, Birx, and so many other medical and public health professionals?  And get so many other countries to go along?

Disagree (using 20/20 hindsight) with the decisions elected officials from both parties in most of the nation took if you want.  But there is no shadowy cabal behind the events of the past few months.

Chico -" they" are Fauci etc.  If you want mass voluntary compliance from people in the US there only two ways to get it - at the point of a gun - or scare the hell out of them.

So my point is pretty simple and there isn't any conspiracy theory invovlved.  It is my assessment of the message the government has chosen to convey and our response to it.

But to recap my point of view in full:  I have serious doubts that the medical community has any true insight into what the oucome would have been had we limited the response to simply staying further apart, stop touching, washing hands etc.  I think the estimate of 2.2 million dead was stupid and unrealistic and was never going to happen.

So with the great Dr. Fauci and others guiding the way the plan was developed to slow the spread...or flatten the curve by asking for widespread shutdown.

How to make that happen voluntarily?  Scare everyone to death with insane predictions rather than anything approaching a qualified statement.  In other words End of times type talk. 

They were covering their asses.  It gets back to my joke about Trump saving 2 million lives.  All politicians operate on the narrative of defining what success is.  I we tell you 2 million will die and only 60k die … see it worked!  We are great and beneficent leaders and we declare victory ….vote for me.

We bought it for about a 6 weeks and now the growing sentiment is enough is enough I want my life back and I do not believe this is the end of the world so I will take the risk.  

At that my friends is truly what being an American is and should be.  

 

luv baseball posted:
Chico Escuela posted:

luv baseball, who is the "they" behind this nefarious conspiracy theory?  And how did they get to Fauci, Birx, and so many other medical and public health professionals?  And get so many other countries to go along?

Disagree (using 20/20 hindsight) with the decisions elected officials from both parties in most of the nation took if you want.  But there is no shadowy cabal behind the events of the past few months.

I will take the risk.  

 

As long as you only risk yourself, I'm fine with that. Unfortunately, I'm sure you will have to go to the grocery store, or the gas station or some other place and I will have to go there too and then you put me at risk. I really hate the "we're all in this together" commercials, but there is some truth to it.

@Iowamom23 How are any of the places you mentioned less risky than pretty much anything other than going to a professional sporting event or crowded movie theater? Is he more likely to get infected at the beach or the grocery store? 

Iowamom23 posted:

As long as you only risk yourself, I'm fine with that. Unfortunately, I'm sure you will have to go to the grocery store, or the gas station or some other place and I will have to go there too and then you put me at risk. I really hate the "we're all in this together" commercials, but there is some truth to it.

Why do you think luv baseball is putting you at risk if you encounter him in the future at a grocery store? Because of his beliefs? Why isn’t he at risk because you are there? What makes you any less risky? Because you think we should all be in this together?

The only way neither one of you will be at risk is if neither one of you are there. So, in essence, a true lockdown. And this is simply not possible.

There are thousands of sites where people may debate politics.

This isn't one of them.

This site is for talking about baseball.

I'll be nice to you no matter who you vote for.

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