Hope this isn't a sign that Springs sports will be cancelled...
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It's ridiculous they are just now making this decision. This applies to current Ivy senior student athletes which of course includes all sports--Fall, Winter, and Spring.
This should have been decided when they made the decision to cancel Fall and Winter sports. BEFORE grad-school applications were due!
Which is why this really makes me think they will cancel Spring sports--by "senior student athletes" they really mean the kids that will now miss TWO Spring seasons--last year's Junior's!
Do you think that seniors who play spring sports were warned about this by their coaches, back in December?
I'm sure that many student athletes who go to expensive residential colleges in conferences that have not yet announced about spring, had to figure out whether to take online classes (in case sports happened) or to take the semester off. The cynical side of me says that the conferences deliberately didn't announce until classes had started, so as to maximize enrollment.
Wasn't it discussed on another thread, that Yale lacrosse doesn't have enough players to field a team, even if the Ivy League allows them to play?
I just don't get this. Using Harvard as an example, unless you were planning for years to go to the Medical School or the Law School you are not going to be able to pivot at the last minute and get in. The Dental School, Divinity School, School of Engineering are obviously too specialized. The Business School usually requires a couple of years of work experience. So you are down to the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences. So for about $50,000 (plus living expenses) you get to tack another year of liberal arts study on to your education.
I'm okay with it, but why bother. This is going to apply to such a small number of people that it almost isn't worth the effort unless it is about optics and to say that they tried to accommodate their student athletes (at the 11th hour) as the horse already left the barn. Honestly, I feel for all the Ivy student-athletes caught in the middle of this pandemic. Their lives and college experience didn't turn out as expected after a lot of hard work to get this opportunity.
I think this is a such a minimal gesture by the Ivy League Presidents. There are a handful of graduating Ivy students that had already entered the portal to play as graduate students elsewhere.
@K9 posted:I just don't get this. Using Harvard as an example, unless you were planning for years to go to the Medical School or the Law School you are not going to be able to pivot at the last minute and get in. The Dental School, Divinity School, School of Engineering are obviously too specialized. The Business School usually requires a couple of years of work experience. So you are down to the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences. So for about $50,000 (plus living expenses) you get to tack another year of liberal arts study on to your education.
Some of the Ivies charge 10% of the parents annual income until it reaches 250K. For 10K or less maybe a kid hangs around. But I doubt many Ivy grads will hang around to play. It wouldn’t be a good idea to pass on quality professional and grad opportunities.
If I’m in an Ivy graduate school program I’m not wasting time and focus on a sport. You’re in the fast lane in an Ivy grad school. You’re competing with the best of the best at the top of the academic world.
You forgot the Kennedy School btw.
@anotherparent posted:Do you think that seniors who play spring sports were warned about this by their coaches, back in December?
I'm sure that many student athletes who go to expensive residential colleges in conferences that have not yet announced about spring, had to figure out whether to take online classes (in case sports happened) or to take the semester off. The cynical side of me says that the conferences deliberately didn't announce until classes had started, so as to maximize enrollment.
Wasn't it discussed on another thread, that Yale lacrosse doesn't have enough players to field a team, even if the Ivy League allows them to play?
Yale LaCrosse sensed it would get nixed and so enough "opted out" so they couldn't field a team. @anotherparent I don't think you are cynical at all. The first thing that got Ivy players mad was that they decision not to "yet" announce a spring schedule was so late, that they had already enrolled and started classes (paying tuition). Now to offer this "allowance" so late in the game, so to speak.
Players haven't taken GRE/LSAT or prepped for it. How many are on the roster that would qualify the IVY LEAGUE grad schools? Unlike, undergrad acceptances, no coaches tip either with admissions. This is really for the league to make itself look good. I really thought the League would play once the Patriot League put something together (2 divisions) to lessen travel. I know they haven't announced the season is over, but...
This just out. A very big donor alum (Yale Law School) offered to build a new state of the art "bubble" which would allow both women's and men's Lacrosse in the Ivy League to play this season. The donor also played LAX undergrad. The league declined the offer. Huh?
@Ripken Fan posted:This just out. A very big donor alum (Yale Law School) offered to build a new state of the art "bubble" which would allow both women's and men's Lacrosse in the Ivy League to play this season. The donor also played LAX undergrad. The league declined the offer. Huh?
Not surprising considering recent politics and attitudes towards so-called sports of privilege. They'd rather cut off their nose to spite their face than accept money for this.
if the Alumni used their heads instead of their hearts they would just cut them off completely. you want to watch an Ivy squirm, shut off the flow.
Sadly, ivies can afford to be that way. They do dung like that across all their programs. I am both angry and envious when institutions like those have unlimited demand of attendance and resources and freely operate with impunity.
A little insight: Apparently Yale said yes, and the league declined.
@Twoboys posted:You forgot the Kennedy School btw.
Actually no, I thought it went without saying that no self respecting Harvard grad would waste his time there.
@Ripken Fan posted:This just out. A very big donor alum (Yale Law School) offered to build a new state of the art "bubble" which would allow both women's and men's Lacrosse in the Ivy League to play this season. The donor also played LAX undergrad. The league declined the offer. Huh?
I think Mr Tsai's heart is in the right place. It was one heck of generous gesture. As I read the article I was thinking...what does this mean for the other sports and then sure enough the authors projected that as a possible reason it got shot down. The other reason is who want to travel from Hanover (189 mi), Ithaca (258mi), Princeton (130mi), Philadelphia (173 mi) to play all away lacrosse games every week. That is a huge logistical and academic burden. Lets face it lacrosse is one of the fastest growing sports in the United States, but it isn't bringing in thousands of fans....no Ivy League sport is bringing in thousands except possibly hockey... I think lacrosse is popular at the Ivys but not popular enough to put some demands on the ADs and Presidents. So, my point is this was a great idea but I just don't see it having legs unless they were to include more sports and that was cost prohibitive.
JMO
Idk Yale mens lax won the national championship in 2018. There were LOTS of fans at the playoffs. We have friends on the team. And yes both did not enroll in classes this year to save their eligibility, but have been in New Haven.
And K9 -- no need to be an a$$. I am a self respecting harvard grad - ARE YOU? And if you think the K School is not prominent enough, you have your head up what I just called you. Plus it is one place some of the athletes might have interest in as they do take a very limited number straight from school. Know what you are talking (or writing about) before you open up your mouth to be rude intentionally and without reason. I could list a whole bunch of impressive grads and a whole bunch of big donors (or impressive faculty) if you need me to. Just ask nicely.
@fenwaysouth posted:..no Ivy League sport is bringing in thousands except possibly hockey...
I was watching Capitals @Penguins last night. The announcers made a big point how there were two graduates from Brown University (one from each team) on the ice at the same time!
@Ripken Fan posted:I was watching Capitals @Penguins last night. The announcers made a big point how there were two graduates from Brown University (one from each team) on the ice at the same time!
One Brown graduate on an NHL rink would be an anomaly. Brown sucks at hockey. Infrequently they have back to back .500+ seasons.
As for Ivy hockey attendance there are sixty teams. Going back two years (normality) Cornell was the #1 Ivy at #22. Yale at #26 was the only other Ivy in the top half.
Seemed inevitable, and there it is.
@MidAtlanticDad posted:Seemed inevitable, and there it is.
The future leaders of America cowering rather than leading.