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They are playing as a unified group and they are taking no prisoners right now. I am sure lots of people have written them off but from what I can tell after watching them this past weekend, that would be a mistake. I like their chances this year - especially with the attitude they are displaying. Their team chemistry kind of reminds me of Fresno State or Oregon State from a few years back.

My hats off to them and I wish them all the best
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It is situations like this where crisis meets opportunity. The shortsightedness of the administration is unconscionable. Perhaps there is one or maybe a group of donors keeping an eye on the situation poised to take action but at this point the program has already been wounded, brought down by its own caretaker.

Coach Esquer, 12 years of service..... I just can't imagine him being stripped of this program. Yeah, I'd say they have some extra motivation now.

Bob Barker just gave 5 million dollars to save some whales......somebody needs to ask him to save some bears.
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Bob Barker just gave 5 million dollars to save some whales......somebody needs to ask him to save some bears.


It is more than a money issue, it involves Title IX. The sooner people start demanding it's reform or elimination, the sooner problems like this can be resolved on their own merits.
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It is more than a money issue, it involves Title IX. The sooner people start demanding it's reform or elimination, the sooner problems like this can be resolved on their own merits.


You would have to run down a long list of issues and would find Title IX included somewhere.
IMO, it is highly unfortunate that Title IX would seemingly be elevated to the core issue.
Baseball is running a budget deficit of over $900,000 per year.
The University is/has been underwriting a total of $14,000,000 in deficits in the athletic department, with baseball reportedly right at the top.
Cuts in the University funding and budget, freezing of professor salaries, spiking tuition and student fees created a situation where the General Fund could no longer underwrite a $14,000,000 budget gap.
In addition, there is a $380,000,000 upgrade to the football stadium, with the addition of a state of the art training facility/locker room and general keep up with Oregon flashy facility. Unfortunately, Cal does not have Phil Knight.
Let me ask you Vector, if baseball is running a deficit of $900,000 per year, which seems to be agreed upon, yet they put the team, 4 coaches, a training staff and manager and others on a plane and fly to Myrtle Beach for 5 or so days, where is that a Title IX issue.
This entire situation is a nightmare.
The result is appalling. The entire process leaves so much to be desired, so much.
I really think your position is unfortunate, Vector.
By making it Title IX, I think you take away from, or overlook, the financial accountability of those who created and permitted the $14,000,000 deficit,those who created and permitted a $900,000 plus deficit for the baseball program, and those who put the athletic department at risk for nearly $400,000,000 for primarily football related improvements.
From everything I have read, and that would be many,many articles as well as reports and documents on the UC site, and obtained through other sources, this seems far more like financial mismanagement/communication issues led to decisions that had Title IX implications, not the reverse.
Not my intent to divert the original topic but.....if I may.....

All that needs to happen is that university heads (being the educated persons that they are and well paid at half a million dollars a year) need to follow the intent of the Title which is to quote the NCAA.....

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Q. Does Title IX mandate that a decrease in opportunities for male athletes be made in order to provide an increase in opportunities for female athletes?

Title IX does not require reductions in opportunities for male student-athletes. One of the purposes is to create the same opportunity and quality of treatment for both female and male student-athletes. Eliminating men sports programs is not the intent of Title IX. The intent of Title IX is to bring treatment of the disadvantaged gender up to the level of the advantaged group.


Hey, maybe I'm just dumb but didn't that say more or less...."add some girls sports programs ya numbskulls!!!!"

How can the university use Title IX as an excuse to eliminate mens programs? Proportion schmortion.....

Baseball America:

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Cal chancellor Robert J. Birgeneau issued a statement Friday saying that enough funds were raised to reinstate men's rugby, women's gymnastics and women's lacrosse, but not baseball and men's gymnastics.

"Regrettably, in spite of the best efforts of a number of their key supporters, men’s baseball and men’s gymnastics fell far short of raising the necessary philanthropic support," Birgeneau said in the statement. "Accordingly, students and staff associated with these teams must now be allowed to move forward to make other plans as these teams will cease competition as intercollegiate varsity sports for the university at the end of this academic year."

Cal coach David Esquer told Baseball America that he is "disappointed and heartbroken" by the university's decision.


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Birgeneau acknowledged that Title IX was a major factor in the decision.


This is all about money...Title IX is just the excuse. Now if a dumb uneducated nit like me can figure that out, why can't an educated Canadian Chancellor figure out why he needs to keep his mitts off a storied collegiate baseball program? How about a hockey team, eh?
The problem is clear. The University of California, one of the great universities of the entire world, is plagued by more than one inept administrator with two much power, especially considering the fundraising efforts driven by individuals determined to save baseball. In the end, there will unfortunately be good people harmed who have done nothing but serve their school well. It is tragic, misguided and so unnecessary. I am rooting hard for the Bears to make it to Omaha and bring it all home.
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Originally posted by infielddad:
where is that a Title IX issue.


Well why don't you tell us what if any(in your mind)role Title IX played since you are reluctant to attribute it's role?

I did not say Title IX was the sole or primary reason. However it was certainly one of the main reasons the program did not survive after outside funding was proposed and pledged. The mainstream media, nor the school administration was eager to discuss the Title IX issue, but rest assured it was/is there.

Furthermore, it has been used to quietly kill other mens teams at different universities over the years with nary a peep from the media. What is worse is there has not even been the hint of a financial need to cut the mens teams, just that the numbers(male vs. female) did not add up. They may as well call it affirmative action because it works out to quotas.

You can rest assured that if a bunch of sports that were predominately minority based were cut, the media would be running weekly stories on how discriminatory it is. Instead since these are boys teams, with mainly white players(tennis, rowing, gymnastics, etc.), it is fair game to a biased mdeia.

That is why I repeat that until there is enough people who start speaking out to reform or abolish Title IX, it will continue to serve as means to discriminate against young men in college.
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The sooner people start demanding it's reform or elimination, the sooner problems like this can be resolved on their own merits.



This was the conclusion you expressed on why Cal baseball was eliminated.
If Cal baseball was looked at on its "own" merits, it would be cut. According to all the financial information posted on the UC site and included in all financial summaries and reports, baseball is losing far more than any other the sport considered for elimination.
My own personal judgment, after studying reports and other information, is fund raising for Cal baseball went down hill over the recent years because the University focused more and more fund raising on football and the ever increasing financial resources that sport requires to play in the big time BCS play pen.
Title IX did not create that deficit. Studied closely, the most obvious reasons for this deficit are an increase in baseball expenses, a decrease in baseball revenue of more that 100%(over $400,000 in just 3 years), and greater University emphasis of money to football related obligations...along with the questionable management that jemaz describes.
Once the $14,000,000 deficit could not financially be managed by University underwriting of the total deficit, that $900,000, plus Title IX, played a role in Cal baseball being chosen for elimination.
There appears to be a lot of mismanagement and miscommunication, along with a major football commitment, which predate, by far, the process in which Title IX finally had to be addressed.
Cal has plenty of revenue to spend on men's sports. It chooses to allocate it to football and basketball where coaching salaries are nearly $3,000,000 for the HC in Football and more than 1/2 that for basketball, before assistants are considered. Cal wants to play in the fast lane which Phil Knight set at Oregon...they just don't have a Phil Knight. When we look at a $400,000 plus revenue decline for baseball in a 3-4 year period, the obvious conclusion is that donations either stopped or went to football/basketball, or some combination.
None of that is Title IX.
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I wasn't trying to start any arguments when I started this thread. It is what it is now and there is nothing any of us can do short of developing the next operating system and bailing Cal baseball out of the hole.

Would still like to hear comments on Cal's "baseball" chances "this" year. I think they have a shot for Omaha and think they are playing with a chip on their shoulders. Anyone have an opinion on their "baseball" prospects this year?
CD, Sorry to have participated in the thread heading off track. Confused
Cal is a program I have watched for many years. You know some of the reasons.
The history with Cal baseball for the last many years has not been talent. They always have top talent. The number of players drafted and how those players do after the draft is proof positive, in my view. My impression is Cal has underperformed its talent for many seasons.
Two obvious places past Cal teams have struggled is the mid-week games and late in the season.
Cal has always started fast. They did in 2010 and by mid-season were viewed as top 15 to 20 team.
As they have in seasons before, they faded in the second half and were 2 and out in the regional giving up far too many runs, far too many.
Mid-week games for Cal have been a real puzzle. For whatever reason, Cal historically pitched those games by committee, using 4-6 pitchers for 2 innings each. That has yielded a very poor record in these contests.
On the second half slumps, there are probably many opinions. Mine is the use of the pitching staff too many innings on the front side of the season and they fatigue on the back side. Could be wrong?
For Cal this year, their top 3 pitchers must stay healthy, and they need to be as good the last 28 games as they are right now. These 3 have started nearly every Friday-Sunday game for 2 straight seasons. Hopefully, they remain healthy.
Cal needs to change the mid-week approach and develop a 4th reliable starter, along with reliable bullpen depth.
Finally, Cal needs to make sure they don't allow things they cannot control take them out of games. If we examine the last 2 years, they have lost a number of one run games to Stanford. If you are in attendance, you can see things happen that seem to change the focus of Cal players and coaches. The Tuesday game last week was another example.
The Pac10 is loaded this year, with 6 teams, including Cal currently in the top 20, and at least 2 more not far behind. They are going to play a lot of close games with many, many high stress innings.
How the pitching staff handle the impact of those stress innings will be very important over the last 28 games.
More importantly, whether the coaching staff sees and adjusts the approach to mid-week and negative game situations will be equally important, from my seat in the stands.
Cal is immensely talented as last weekend shows. But the Pac 10 is as good as it has been in years. I can see Cal as high as 3rd and as low as 8th, to be honest, based on watching them for 10 plus years.
If I remember correctly, in 2010, Cal went to Rice and split with them. The optimism was high.
By June and the Regional, they went to Oklahoma and the pitching staff got knocked around and they had an early exit.
For me, I will be watching carefully beginning around game 28. Those last 28 will tell whether this team is different, in my view.
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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
I wasn't trying to start any arguments when I started this thread. It is what it is now and there is nothing any of us can do short of developing the next operating system and bailing Cal baseball out of the hole.

Would still like to hear comments on Cal's "baseball" chances "this" year. I think they have a shot for Omaha and think they are playing with a chip on their shoulders. Anyone have an opinion on their "baseball" prospects this year?

I'll let you know after the Cajuns play in the Cal tournament next week with USF, UCSB and Cal. The Cajuns have good pitching, zero hitting (I'm blaming the new bats) and a 140 RPI. If they get clawed by the Bears, which I suspect they might, they are probably for real.
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Originally posted by infielddad:
CD, Sorry to have participated in the thread heading off track. Confused
Cal is a program I have watched for many years. You know some of the reasons.
The history with Cal baseball for the last many years has not been talent. They always have top talent. The number of players drafted and how those players do after the draft is proof positive, in my view. My impression is Cal has underperformed its talent for many seasons.
Two obvious places past Cal teams have struggled is the mid-week games and late in the season.
Cal has always started fast. They did in 2010 and by mid-season were viewed as top 15 to 20 team.
As they have in seasons before, they faded in the second half and were 2 and out in the regional giving up far too many runs, far too many.
Mid-week games for Cal have been a real puzzle. For whatever reason, Cal historically pitched those games by committee, using 4-6 pitchers for 2 innings each. That has yielded a very poor record in these contests.
On the second half slumps, there are probably many opinions. Mine is the use of the pitching staff too many innings on the front side of the season and they fatigue on the back side. Could be wrong?
For Cal this year, their top 3 pitchers must stay healthy, and they need to be as good the last 28 games as they are right now. These 3 have started nearly every Friday-Sunday game for 2 straight seasons. Hopefully, they remain healthy.
Cal needs to change the mid-week approach and develop a 4th reliable starter, along with reliable bullpen depth.
Finally, Cal needs to make sure they don't allow things they cannot control take them out of games. If we examine the last 2 years, they have lost a number of one run games to Stanford. If you are in attendance, you can see things happen that seem to change the focus of Cal players and coaches. The Tuesday game last week was another example.
The Pac10 is loaded this year, with 6 teams, including Cal currently in the top 20, and at least 2 more not far behind. They are going to play a lot of close games with many, many high stress innings.
How the pitching staff handle the impact of those stress innings will be very important over the last 28 games.
More importantly, whether the coaching staff sees and adjusts the approach to mid-week and negative game situations will be equally important, from my seat in the stands.
Cal is immensely talented as last weekend shows. But the Pac 10 is as good as it has been in years. I can see Cal as high as 3rd and as low as 8th, to be honest, based on watching them for 10 plus years.
If I remember correctly, in 2010, Cal went to Rice and split with them. The optimism was high.
By June and the Regional, they went to Oklahoma and the pitching staff got knocked around and they had an early exit.
For me, I will be watching carefully beginning around game 28. Those last 28 will tell whether this team is different, in my view.

infielddad - surely I was not criticizing you

That was a fascinating analysis. Many of us on the east coast are never exposed to a program like Cal and I got my first taste of them this weekend and came away very impressed. This is precisely why I think this site is so valuable. Baseball America ought to hire you because that was an awesome analysis. I have a hunch that some of those non-talent issues might be a thing of the past given Cal's current situation. There seems to be a real sense of urgency there but if you are right, they are known for playing like that early so we'll have to wait and see. If they are not even the best team in the PAC-10 this year, then that is really scary for everyone else.
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Well I am glad you see that Title IX did play some role, as it has with other programs across the country.
Watch this interesting video regarding how it affects college programs, including a specific piece about Cal.


Oh boy.
Cal is $14,500,000 over its budget for intercollegiate athletics.
That is not Title IX. In fact, Cal it is questionable if they were in Title IX compliance one year ago before these issues on the budget and deficits came to light.
Cal's baseball team is generating expenses that are well over $900,000 per year above its budget.
Cal's athletic department is focused on big time football and basketball and seems to have mismanaged its finances into a period critical revenue issues/deficits for the University and for the athletic department.
There are articles that Cal was out of compliance before the cuts, would have been out of compliance with the initial cuts, and still has some challenges even now.
The fact is, however, Cal reinstated Rugby, and the 60 or so men's athletes who compete, when Rugby showed it had the revenue and support and budget discipline.
Cal's student body is about 55% women. Is it your view that factor is not to be considered in athletics and financing, since each Cal student pays a fee to support intercollegiate athletics.
Current studies show women are paid at about 75% of men who perform similar work in similar positions, and it is worse when pregnancy and raising children and then returning to the work force are concerned.
When money became a critical issue at Cal, it forced Title IX into the equation. Even then 50-60 men's slots were reinstated for Rubgy. Those determinations were reportedly based on $$$ and budget discipline for Rugby vs. baseball.
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Originally posted by infielddad:
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Well I am glad you see that Title IX did play some role, as it has with other programs across the country.
Watch this interesting video regarding how it affects college programs, including a specific piece about Cal.


Oh boy.
Cal is $14,500,000 over its budget for intercollegiate athletics.
That is not Title IX. In fact, Cal it is questionable if they were in Title IX compliance one year ago before these issues on the budget and deficits came to light.
Cal's baseball team is generating expenses that are well over $900,000 per year above its budget.
Cal's athletic department is focused on big time football and basketball and seems to have mismanaged its finances into a period critical revenue issues/deficits for the University and for the athletic department.
There are articles that Cal was out of compliance before the cuts, would have been out of compliance with the initial cuts, and still has some challenges even now.
The fact is, however, Cal reinstated Rugby, and the 60 or so men's athletes who compete, when Rugby showed it had the revenue and support and budget discipline.
Cal's student body is about 55% women. Is it your view that factor is not to be considered in athletics and financing, since each Cal student pays a fee to support intercollegiate athletics.
Current studies show women are paid at about 75% of men who perform similar work in similar positions, and it is worse when pregnancy and raising children and then returning to the work force are concerned.
When money became a critical issue at Cal, it forced Title IX into the equation. Even then 50-60 men's slots were reinstated for Rubgy. Those determinations were reportedly based on $$$ and budget discipline for Rugby vs. baseball.


I do not see why you feel compelled to keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I have acknowledged that this issue is more than Title IX, and that it is not even the primary reason. Yet after several posts you grudgingly say it played some role. I then appreciatively say it is good that you at least see it played a role, then you are right back to repeating the same thing about the financial issues being the primary cause.
You then go one about women not being paid as much as men(having nothing to do with this discussion)as if you have a political ax to grind.
If you support Title IX fine, but you should at least be willing to acknowledge it's negative effects as well. In some cases mens sports teams are eliminated because of Title IX, having nothing to do with money. So the comparison to affirmative action is an apt one.

If you want to get the last word on this by repeating yourself again be my guest. I've said my bit and will not engage in a further tit for tat regarding something that everyone knows played a part in Cal's baseball programs demise.
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From everything I have read, and that would be many,many articles as well as reports and documents on the UC site, and obtained through other sources, this seems far more like financial mismanagement/communication issues led to decisions that had Title IX implications, not the reverse.

Vector, the above quote is taken from my first post in the thread when you decided to turn CD's view on Cal baseball into Title IX. I acknowledged Title IX eventually became an issue once the lack of money and budget deficits forced it into the decision making. Guess you missed that one?
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Here is the latest on the amazing efforts, and time constraints, of some Cal grads and others to save the baseball program:

"Ryan Gorcey
BearTerritory.net Publisher


After a productive meeting between the leadership of Save Cal Baseball and the University of California administration two weeks ago, the group now has a new deadline and a firm figure with which to work.

"The meeting was positive," said SCB's Doug Nickle in a phone conversation last week. "Not all the due diligence was being done in terms of using the greatest resource that this University has, and that's the alumni, to help solve problems. We were very excited by the fact that not only is the University willing to sit down and work with us, but proactively offering the full resources of their development department at our disposal."

The supporters of saving the Cal baseball program are now shooting to raise the balance of the University's $10 million figure by March 31. That money will be required to start an endowment to run the program in perpetuity.

"It's got to be a good, combined, donation number up front with endowment numbers, as well," said Nickle. "We're pretty much together now, and of course, that's all we've ever wanted from the beginning. We are working together and we are on the path to reinstatement, in my opinion."

A big help to that effort will be the Cal Baseball Classic (sponsored by Safeway) held this coming weekend at AT&T Park in San Francisco. Proceeds from the four-day event will go towards the baseball program itself.

"We are a group clearly focused on the long-term health of the University, and this is not just about bringing baseball back and saying, 'Haha, we got baseball back;' we're actually concerned overall about the health of the University, and that's where we've seen an increase in people donating to our cause - people who are more focused on the academics and University programs than just sports - these are people who were awakened to the idea that, if you take away certain sports, you undermine the overall experience at Cal, and in a holistic sense, it's very important to keep people together, because all these pieces of the puzzle fit together to form the overall experience at the University of California, Berkeley."

There were donations to the effort during the first, four-month-long leg of the drive to preserve the five sports originally cut, that were essentially in two parts: a donation for reinstatement, and then a pledge to continue donating to the endowment fund, annually, something that will have to be repeated over the next several weeks.

"That was, I think, probably, one of the misunderstandings, initially, because if the University had taken that into account, they would have seen that there is a long-term sustainable plan, because these donors are going to keep coming back," Nickle said. "Instead, they looked at it as a lump-sum number, instead of seeing what they could make over X number of years."

The reinstatement of the program will require such a business plan which reflects sustainable sources of donations over a seven-to-10 year period, which was outlined by the University. The involvement of the development office at the University is a start, but improvements need to be made, according to SCB supporters and program insiders, in providing advertising dollars for the barren outfield walls at Evans Diamond. If this new spirit of cooperation holds out, that may in fact be possible.

"It's going to be contingent on a lot of things, including a good business plan for baseball," said Nickle, who admitted that the program has suffered as much from a seeming lack of institutional support just as much as it has from a schism in supporters of the program which has made fundraising heretofore nearly impossible because of mutual mistrust and resentment. "It's going to be, how can baseball run itself in almost a privatized way so that it does not need to leach funding from the University, which is certainly a little cash-strapped at this point. It's just a really nice combination of what would happen in the private sector. If a business is a good business, but is running inefficiently, or there are external pressures to that business's success, it's incumbent upon that business to run through and lean out and run itself in a much more expeditious fashion, and still operate in a profitable way."

Nickle said that the two factions within alumni of the program and other program supporters will have to either "kiss and make up" or at the very least, "pull in the same direction."

"I think everyone was awoken to the idea that baseball was not guaranteed just because it's baseball," Nickle said. "When the rubber meets the road, people need to make a decision of what's the true focus of their intention: is it ego-based? Or is it the honest, full-on appreciation of what this program has meant to all of us, and should mean to generations henceforth? I think it's the dawn of a new day, so to speak, and all sides recognize what we could lose if we took our eye off the ball."

The infighting, Nickle said, contributed to a refusal -- or at least a willful ignorance -- of the state that the program was in, from the standpoint of donors.

"I'm sure that contributed to it, but it was just that general comfort zone that people feel, with baseball being America's pastime, how could you cut baseball?" Nickle said. "It felt like it was untouchable, and we learned back in October of 2010 that it was absolutely touchable, and, just like everything else that we hold near and dear, it's incumbent upon us to keep things in order if we want to continue these traditions. I think what this has taught everybody is not to leave this in the hands of the state, not to leave this in the hands of anybody else. Take control of what you can control, and work for those things that you love."

Pledges to the cause will be tax-deductible and will only be accepted upon reinstatement of the program by the University.

"We seem to have turned over a new leaf here," Nickle said. "We are working in conjunction with the University, as opposed to against them. We're doing this of our own accord, for the university. The onus is on the University to prove that they're trustworthy, and they're going to have to do some repair work, but the fact that they are now listening to the donors is the first step."

At the time of reinstatement, donors will be notified and the Cal Baseball Foundation will ask that they activate their pledges either by credit card or check at that time.

"Reinstating for next year is the singular goal," Nickle said. "That is the singular goal, and the only acceptable outcome at this point, and we're both working in that direction ... The Pac-10 has said the sooner, the better, but they are willing to be patient because they know that the Pac-10 is a stronger conference with Cal baseball. We're giving ourselves a little bit of a deadline."

The NCAA and the conference have told the University that the baseball program can come back, however they gave the deadline of March 31 because the 2012 Pac-12 baseball schedules need to be created by that point.

"As alumni, we are interested in giving this school a competitive program, which means giving the existing players a home where they belong, right now, and that's at Cal," Nickle said.

Going by the University's numbers, the program will need to bridge a gap between the alleged $4.5 million and the $10 million number.

When the baseball and men's gymnastics programs were cut for the second time, Univeristy spokesman Dan Mogulof acknowledged that not all donors were called to verify their pledges.

"We know the donor community," Mogulof said. "The people who have the capacity for significant contributions and their history are well known to us. And we were in contact with far more people than just a single individual. As we got toward the deadline, we saw that they had raised only half of what was necessary to reinstate all five teams."

Now under this new spirit of cooperation, Nickle believes that, despite discrepancies between his numbers and the University's, that they will get this done.

"This is an unprecedented situation, so knowing your donors in a normal cycle is one thing. Knowing you donors when programs are cut is a whole 'nother issue," Nickle said. "Programs being cut sets a whole new emphasis for donation. But, even if you just go by the University's numbers, we were sitting on an additional $4.5 million that was in the bank. We know it was bigger than that, but if we at least agree that it was at least $4.5 million, that's still a pretty sizable number. More importantly, now, it's a great starter, a great seed package to this gap that we have to bridge, which is obviously between $5 million and $10 million up front with the balance of that $10 million to start some sort of endowment program."

For those following their program, they had a very tough week in San Diego, losing 3 of 4, as their bats went pretty silent.
This week they co-host a tournament at AT&T Park, home of the Giants. The tournament has received next to nothing in terms of publicity, despite some wonderful match ups, including having Rice participate and 3 games per day.
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Originally posted by infielddad:
Vector, the above quote is taken from my first post in the thread when you decided to turn CD's view on Cal baseball into Title IX.


Roll Eyes

Take some of that upon yourself.


Had you been willing to let my factual comment stand about Title IX's involvement without repeating the same things over for several posts, everything would have proceeded smoothly topic wise.



It takes two to tango.
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I made my comments on their program and dilemma in the other thread long related thread.


I forgot. You did comment in the "Cal baseball...gone???" thread...again about Title IX.
Oh well. Roll Eyes
I'll just keep updating about Cal baseball as their season progresses.
They beat Santa Clara yesterday as the bats unloaded in a 20-5 mid week game. This is a reversal of past years, and seemingly another positive for this team.
Cal has a Friday game with Louisiana Lafayette.Hopefully the "Rajun Cajun" Dad04 will weigh in before then on what to expect.
Big game Saturday night at AT&T vs Rice before taking on Long Beach State on Sunday.

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