Posted on Twitter "From speaking with sources, there's a definite (and expected) split amongst coaches and administrators on if the eligibility waiver should apply to seniors only, or to everyone at Div 1 level. NCAA has a difficult decision on its hands".
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My money is on them only allowing seniors an extra year.
hshuler posted:My money is on them only allowing seniors an extra year.
I agree
adbono posted:hshuler posted:My money is on them only allowing seniors an extra year.
I agree
I do too, but not necessarily at the same program.
TPM posted:adbono posted:hshuler posted:My money is on them only allowing seniors an extra year.
I agree
I do too, but not necessarily at the same program.
Yes, many will have to transfer in order to play the additional year and I suspect will have to go to less competitive programs
I think the consensus here is that a less than overwhelming number of seniors will attend an extra year of college just to get one more season under their belt, right? That’s kind of the vibe I have been seeing posted. That said, wouldn’t it be prudent for the eligibility waiver to apply to those who aren’t going to have to transfer and/or rely on grad school? It just seems to me, and I am from the Forest Gump school of logic here, that if you are going to grant an eligibility waiver at all, to be fair, it must be available to all student athletes, regardless of year. Anything short of that I would anticipate a class action law suit from those excluded.
hshuler posted:My money is on them only allowing seniors an extra year.
My money is on the NCAA doing what is best for the NCAA.
Everyone or no one.......
collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:I think the consensus here is that a less than overwhelming number of seniors will attend an extra year of college just to get one more season under their belt, right? That’s kind of the vibe I have been seeing posted. That said, wouldn’t it be prudent for the eligibility waiver to apply to those who aren’t going to have to transfer and/or rely on grad school? It just seems to me, and I am from the Forest Gump school of logic here, that if you are going to grant an eligibility waiver at all, to be fair, it must be available to all student athletes, regardless of year. Anything short of that I would anticipate a class action law suit from those excluded.
This could create an unfair advantage to all but the very rich programs. That was discussed in the tweet.
And wouldnt that apply to all spring sports?
They might grant that extra year of eligibility, but it possibly not to include 5 years of scholarship $$.
But Fenway is correct, the NCAA will do what's best for the NCAA.
JMO
fenwaysouth posted:hshuler posted:My money is on them only allowing seniors an extra year.
My money is on the NCAA doing what is best for the NCAA.
If Groucho was here the duck would have just fallen from above. You just said the magic phrase.
Agree that the NCAA always does what's best for the NCAA.
I often see posts here and other places that seem to assume that an extra year of eligibility somehow equates to an additional year of scholarship money for players. With the NCAA being the NCAA, I can easily see them allowing more eligibility, probably seniors only, but expanded, additional or matching previous scholarships may not be included in that deal.
For what it's worth, most of the seniors I'm aware of are acting as though they are coming back to their school, assuming the NCAA allows eligibility and they don't get drafted in a position that makes sense to them. Whether the coaching staffs share that vision, and how that meshes with the incoming freshman class, is anyone's guess.
When I saw the topic Kendal Rogers my first thought was that it might be some kind of wine. I think I am stir crazy. It is my opinion that the right thing to do is to give everyone who plays college spring sports an extra year of eligibility. The practical thing to do however is to just give Seniors an extra year if they wish to play one more season. It would be wildly unfair to current Freshman, Sophomores and Juniors but it cleans up a lot of issues that granting everyone a year would cause most specifically expanded rosters for many years or smaller recruiting classes for 2021, 2022 and issues with 2020's. It is my guess that they end up just offering to seniors and fewer Seniors take the extra year than everyone thinks.
TPM posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:I think the consensus here is that a less than overwhelming number of seniors will attend an extra year of college just to get one more season under their belt, right? That’s kind of the vibe I have been seeing posted. That said, wouldn’t it be prudent for the eligibility waiver to apply to those who aren’t going to have to transfer and/or rely on grad school? It just seems to me, and I am from the Forest Gump school of logic here, that if you are going to grant an eligibility waiver at all, to be fair, it must be available to all student athletes, regardless of year. Anything short of that I would anticipate a class action law suit from those excluded.
This could create an unfair advantage to all but the very rich programs. That was discussed in the tweet.
And wouldnt that apply to all spring sports?
They might grant that extra year of eligibility, but it possibly not to include 5 years of scholarship $$.
But Fenway is correct, the NCAA will do what's best for the NCAA.
JMO
Agree, they will do what is best for them, which is to get back to business as usual, probably in Fall 2020, to start getting that TV revenue from football ringing the cash registers. That said, the eligibility waiver, when you take a step back, is an easy decision. The NCAA really isn’t going to be hamstrung because there are extra players eligible. There are ALWAYS MORE PLAYERS WITH ELIGIBIITY EVERY YEAR THAN THERE ARE ROSTER SPOTS. The onus is going to be on the college programs to decide what names are going to filling out those rosters. In my view, the NCAA could really care less. Take a look at FBS football for instance. Every year you see Australian kickers playing for major FBS programs, these guys are 26+ years old. They have NCAA eligibility and that is all that matters. The NCAA doesn’t care if that old, mini-van driving Aussie is taking a roster spot from a recent HS graduate, all that matters is that they are eligible.
I think college coaches are going to likely go about this one of two ways. First, they will bring on their 2020 recruiting class and tell any returning senior who still has eligibility that they can compete for a roster spot, but there will be no opportunity for scholarship - for the future of the program. Second scenario is they bring on their 2020 class and returning “Corona Seniors,” redshirt the promising scholarship 2020’s unless they stand out in Fall or were a blue chip recruit, and kick the walk on commits to the curb who can’t beat out a Corona Senior for playing time.
Like Adbono said, I think this will be a boon for JUCO ball and should improve the caliber of player starting off in fall 2020 at JUCO programs. It’s not a matter of belonging at a particular level, I think it’s now a matter of numbers and talent. That assessment is going to be on the colleges, not the NCAA.
anecdotally, some of my son’s senior teammates have already been contacted by programs from the opposite coast, but n both cases far better programs from level of play and exposure, testing the waters for their desire to play there.
I hate to keep harping on this point, but it really does seem that most are missing it...
Even if NCAA grants another "Season of Eligibility" to ALL the players, they aren't really giving them anything if they don't also extend the eligibility timeline.
A 2020 freshman who gets another season of eligibility will only have 4 more years (or 8 more semesters in D2) to play those remaining 4 seasons. Exactly the same situation as if he had sat out this 2020 season to take his "red-shirt" year.
Whether it's fair to extend the clock for seniors, but not for ALL underclassmen, is another question...
But it does allow four more years. For a 2019, if they do not get redshirt or extra year they missed an entire year. I think they do all or nothing because of the fear of class action suit which would be doing what is best for NCAA. The scholarship issue does not affect the NCAA but the individual colleges. The NCAA is going to protect themselves and look like the good guys by saying your get another year, you get another year, all of you get another year. Then let the individual schools figure out what they do with the scholarships, players, numbers, incoming freshmen, and corona seniors.
T_Thomas posted:I hate to keep harping on this point, but it really does seem that most are missing it...
Even if NCAA grants another "Season of Eligibility" to ALL the players, they aren't really giving them anything if they don't also extend the eligibility timeline.
A 2020 freshman who gets another season of eligibility will only have 4 more years (or 8 more semesters in D2) to play those remaining 4 seasons. Exactly the same situation as if he had sat out this 2020 season to take his "red-shirt" year.
Whether it's fair to extend the clock for seniors, but not for ALL underclassmen, is another question...
I think the two will go hand in hand.
collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:I think the two will go hand in hand.
That's definitely NOT what the D2 committee said last week.
In retrospect, it's going to take sometime, for them to sort out, because a lot depends upon what MLB is going to do and how many they have entering in the fall.
And all coaches run their programs differently.
fenwaysouth posted:hshuler posted:My money is on them only allowing seniors an extra year.
My money is on the NCAA doing what is best for the NCAA.
Well honestly, I was going to say exactly the thing but I’ve committed to thinking the best of others. 😁
D2 is granting the extension of time (2 additional semesters) for the seniors (Extension of Eligibility waiver). Everyone else at D2 level gets back the year of eligibility (basically everyone is a redshirt this year).
No one has really addressed the scholarship issue from this standpoint: From what I am seeing, it appears that most people think that with the extra year comes money (same scholarship as they had). Extra eligibility and a continued scholarship are not the same thing or guaranteed (i dont believe). A senior (or anyone) who was on scholarship this year still got his scholarship thru the entire school year right? If they were graduating this year, they wouldn't be guaranteed a scholarship for grad school/grad transfer anyway. P5 kids will still have their 3 years remaining of their 4 year guaranteed scholarship per whatever terms of the agreement they signed. The year to year scholarship guys will still have to compete etc. to keep their scholarship just like any other year. I may be completely wrong here, but the people who potentially will be impacted will be HS and Transfer kids who were scheduled to take the spot of guys leaving. If the guy leaving is better than kids coming in and coach wants him back, that is where I see issues. Just because a kid can come back for another year doesn't mean the coach has to have him back right?
