Lance Armstong - PED - affects on baseball etc

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This link will take you to an interesting article on Jason Taylor, a likely NFL Hall of Famer, whose career was clearly "enhanced" by LEGAL drugs.

http://www.miamiherald.com/201...on-taylors-pain.html

I think the hardest part of all of this doping in any sport,is what kids got cut,or lost their dream who did it the right way.

I undrstand guys jumping on the bandwagon in the aspect of this is my career,they are doing it,if I dont Ill not be able to compete.That aspect alone I am sure spiraled the abuse into a high level.Even though it was wrong,I just get the panic of not being able to compete.

Its hard to be competing for a spot in any sport,Its like ants on a hill,all converging for the same crumbs.

I wonder how long it went on before we really knew.Has thre always been cheating and did people in the know KNOW but monetary profits clouded their judgements.

Its such a slippery slope as they say.

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"I think the hardest part of all of this doping in any sport,is what kids got cut,or lost their dream who did it the right way."

B-I-N-G-O!

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Lance Armstong - PED - affects on baseball etc

Lance has shown his true colors with regard to sport. He is to cycling what Barry Bonds is to baseball....no remorse to the people he trampled, a huge phony and embarrassment.

Armstrong's only redeeming value is to start the LiveStrong foundation which has done a lot of good for alot of people. Thankfully the LiveStrong board had the sense to distance themselves from Armstrong and his shenanigans.

I think it will strengthen the resolve of MLB and the Players Union to rid the sport. The upcoming HGH testing will be interesting in terms of what they find or can't find. But, they are trying.

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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"I think the hardest part of all of this doping in any sport,is what kids got cut,or lost their dream who did it the right way."

B-I-N-G-O!

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Actually, I think the hardest part is that more and more kids will perceive this to be the norm and feel the need to do it the wrong way.

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Originally posted by cabbagedad:
Actually, I think the hardest part is that more and more kids will perceive this to be the norm and feel the need to do it the wrong way.

Maybe I am just naive, but it seems that the negative publicity and public perception of "heroes" turning into "cheaters" is the more powerful lesson for kids to see. The baseball suspensions of last year prove that it is not over, but high school kids I know seem to talk about PED use as an era that they are not connected to. I'm sure that changes some as kids move into college and minor league ball, but I am thinking it is an increasingly small minority who see it as a viable shortcut any more.

I hope the prevailing message from Armstrong's case is that his knowing how to beat the testing that exists at the time was not enough to preserve or protect the benefits he got from cheating. I think this year's baseball HOF balloting carries much of that same message. For some, the benefit of this season's baseball salary may be enough benefit for them to risk it, but if players no longer feel they have to do PEDs just to keep up then I think the change has come.

Never thought we'd see athlete who could make Barry Bonds look like a warm, caring soul. And then Capt. Lance came peddling along, as mean-spirited, vindictive, hateful as you can possibly be.

one question---- why did he need oprahs show to make quasi confession

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one question---- why did he need oprahs show to make quasi confession

Good question TRHit. I wonder if Lance is broke $$, and he got paid to do it? Just a guess.

You can't pedal with PED. I was reading an article on the BBC News site 14 of the last 15 Tour de France winners have been caught doping. They ought just change the race to motorcycles. Cycling is huge in Europe. Can you I imagine how the diehard fans feel their sport is nothing but cheaters.

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Originally posted by fenwaysouth:

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one question---- why did he need oprahs show to make quasi confession

Good question TRHit. I wonder if Lance is broke $$, and he got paid to do it? Just a guess.

To me, the answer is obvious. It's just another scam in a long line of scams. He is a con-man extrordinare and anyone naive enough to believe his latest scam (confessing on Oprah) is well, simply naive.

The only thing Lance Armstrong is sorry about is that he can no longer rely on his last con.

Clearly, he is working on his next one - conning people that he is actually sorry about something. It appears the only thing he was actually good at was backstabbing people and destroying them - all to keep the con alive.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
one question---- why did he need oprahs show to make quasi confession

I think Oprah needed him more to boost a struggling network. She badly harmed her product in 2008 by going political. It turned off half her audience.

Several factors in play here.
-- Very likely that Oprah and her new netowrk was not opposed to writing a check for the interview, which a more legit outfit like ESPN and its Outside the Lines show doesn't do
-- He ultimately needed a venue to begin spinning his version of events, and Oprah has a big shoulder, and huge name recognition with a reputation for being sympathetic and not killing her tell-all guests (think Marion Jones)
-- She wouldn't act the role of tough prosecutor, instead she asked a slew of Yes/No questions
and didn't often ask him to elaborate
-- Frankly, she was an outsider who could never grasp all the intracies of the story, probably couldn't pin him down and he could start rehabbing his image without first having to go under oath.

When I see him talking now the word sociopath comes to mind. Everything he does centers around him and whatever damage he does to others is of no consequence. He caused a lot of stress and heartache along the way making many people miserable and he really doesn't care. And as far as his charity goes which,if you isolate it does wonderful work, is simple another facade he put up to enhance and mask his image. Sandusky started 2nd Mile. Watch American Greed and you'll see these guys giving to and starting charities. It's a shame the kids are used in such a shameless manner.

he typifies the times we live in

I guess I have not watched close enough to understand why he is so hated. He out cheated the cheaters in a sport where nearly all if not all the top competitors cheat. Aren't most of the people he went after for telling the truth fellow cheaters who were caught and rolled over on the big fish in return for a lighter sentence because the governing body didn't really care about them just get lance. An honest question. Who did he try and destroy who did not try and destroy him? His live strong foundation has done greater good in my opinion than all the baseball cheaters combined. Who feels let down? Did anyone really think he wasn't juiced.

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therenarerumors of a suit

Should be interesting if there is a suit. I think he is/was part owner of the team...does he gets to sue himself?

21st Century Doping from yesterday's paper.
I didn't like the author's indifference regarding doping. But maybe I should just consider the article unbiased. (NYT??)

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01...?partner=rss&emc=rss