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To our resident barristers:

Take a look at this! One of our regular websters sent me an email pointing this out to me. Seems this person / group is using about 1/2 of the information on the High School Baseball Web for their own use.

In the printed material, as provided by this Rio group is the "Timeline," articles, etc. straight from the HSBBWeb is being utilized. I have never spoken with, exchanged correspondence or talked to this person, in my life! Needless to say I am just a little upset right now.

http://www.rijoathleticsbaseball.com/money.htm

http://www.rijoathleticsbaseball.com/index.htm

I am aware that the internet is a wide open resource and I know of instances where the information from the site being used on other sites. More often than not the person has asked permission to use an article or item. This group's use is pure plagiarizism.

Any advice on how to handle this would be appreciated. I have held off sending this person/group an email until I calm down a bit.


Bob Howdeshell
High School Baseball Web

Bob,
"Doing nothing is still a course of action"

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B Bordeaux500+ posts
Bob, you've got a lot of lawyers on the site including me. Don't know if Beenthere is one or not. The kind of lawyer who specializes in copyright, trademark, and patent law is now an "Intellectual Property" attorney (my brother is one in California). However, most good civil firms with a strong business practice will have enough expertise to help you with this or direct you to the right attorney. It is not unusual to run into these questions in any business. Hope that helps.
NM NY MOM100+ posts
I, too, am an attorney and know that internet law is now a very specific segment of intellectual property law. I would make sure that any law firm that you use, even if it specializes in intellectual property, has taken on internet law cases. The Benjamin Cardozo Law School in Manhattan has one of the most developed departments in this area. If you would like the names of some professors to call for references to get you to a specialized law firm, I'd be happy to pass them on to you.
hsbbwebhsbbwebhsbbweb
So Andy .... What you are saying is that the article on the High School Baseball Web, by Junior Weaver (scout) is really your article?

For the record I contacted Mr. Weaver and received permission to use the article!

He would be interested to know that you are claiming his original interview as yours!

Get a life.

Bob,
"Doing nothing is still a course of action"
BS Bob Sugar (Guest)
Bob I wrote that back in 1991,and posted on the
on web 10/12/98

ask Junior Weaver
jgodish@bellatlantic.net


who wrote it. This had already been covered here before. Check your message board Junior said he did not write and does not have access to delete it from the web site


Little point The ra-gun has not been used in since about 1995


Bob I don't know how many times I had to tell you to get the article off the HS baseball web
site, you are breaking copywrite laws yourself

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hokieonehokieone5,000+ posts
Bob,

Boy, we could start a law firm with the folks on here. I too am an attorney, when I can't find a ball game to watch, and you've been given good advice-intellectual property is a very specialized area. Most lawyers that do that do nothing else. I'm just a little old country lawyer. I can tell you that the threat of being drug into intellectual property litigation will make the hair stand up on an businessman that knows what he's doing.
FungoFungoHighly Regarded and Beloved Old Timer
As much as Bob has done for HS baseball over the years, I can't sit here and remain silent. Andy, how can you of all people, post something like that? Unbelievable! Go look at yourself in the mirror!

Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
M 02^04MomHSBBWeb Old Timer
I am having a hard time deciding what to write, or even what I CAN write. I understand Bob being so upset. I have a webpage for our HS TC Roberson Click on recruiting info. The problem there is we DO have a coach that has a clue, so unless you are a rival team or just stumble onto the site, it doesn't help alot of fokes.

Because of HSBASEBALLWEB.COM I have learned so much for FREE.

My hubby was/is league president/WNC fall baseball pres for the past 13 years.

People ask him questions, he sends them to me, I send them HERE!

Andy, you may sit with some coaches, carry your clipboard, write down stats, etc. Do you not understand THEY LAUGH AT YOU!!???????

I love this game, and can understand your passion, but please, Bob said it best "Get a life"
MrandMrsBaseballMrandMrsBaseball1,000+ posts
Bob,
I have direct info for you regarding this group, as well as a little experience in the area in that my own website had been plagerized. After consulting with an attorney, it was decided the best route was to send them a letter threatening action and boy, was the info removed from their site QUICK!!!!
But I'm going to send you a PM so you have a little background.

_______________________
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer

B bbscout1,000+ posts
PHD, Actually, along with some attorneys on this site, there are a few scientists too. We also have many people who have spent time researching baseball and the tools of the game. In fact, there are quite a few members of the HSBBWeb who have taken the time to research pitching and hitting, instead of just picking up some House, Hudgens and Mills tapes and then passing it off as knowledge for a price. We have learned from each other without being charged by Bob, and when his feelings are hurt, so are mine. Being rude to him shows no class and it is something that he would never do to you.
Bighit15Bighit155,000+ posts
Any of you PHD's ever consider getting permission from someone before using their stuff to bilk errr charge people for essentially free information. If the Brain Surgeons were not also theives, they would not have to come on here and be smart asses in their posts. Stuff like this really pisses me off. Did Mr Gac ever consider asking permission? If you are a PHD and capable of reading, you would see that Bob was asking advice about a situation. Not crying a river. So why doesn't Mr. Gac show some integrity and remove the copyrighted materials. Your post pissed me off. I would like to poke you in the snoz.

"I love the HSBBW"
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O Orlando1,000+ posts
PHD of Brain Surgeon University,

One might assume if you're quite that bright you would have been capable of doing your own research and developing your own information.

Bob has written, commissioned, and assembled an extensive network of information, experts, and experienced baseball people on this site. And you, with a completely classless tone, expect him to then deal with a thief without first consulting his supporters as to the most effective method? I do hope the parents of the athletes you're ostensibly helping are aware of your morals.

I would be surprised to hear from you again. That might take cajones.

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From 'Nice Guys Finish Last' by Leo Durocher:

Baseball lives at the center of a never-flagging whirl of irreconcilable opinions.
B Bee>1,000+ posts
I know this is a serious matter -
I may have been guilty as well for copy/pasting hsweb resourses for our hs coach to use in recruiting info handouts, or emailing it to friends who then emailed it to their friends as well. I thought that's what it was there for, but as the law sounds pretty complex, I'm not really sure, I may be "busted". Confused noidea

on a related note, there's "html encryption" software available that would disable copy/paste, right click, the viewing/copy of source code, etc.

I've been told that allowing open access to source code is like leaving your car unlocked, keys in it & running, and a hot pizza on the seat, at the mall.

I'm not a computer geek so I'll defer the "in depth" application review to those that are

ps- Bob, if I'm busted, be fair with the punisment, I'll do anything except watch old Cub's replays or moderate the "new" Ivies forum

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ChicksDigTheLongBallChicksDigTheLongBall500+ posts
Bee,
I have done some reading on copyright myself and you are correct about the
quote:
on a related note, there's "html encryption" software available that would disable copy/paste, right click, the viewing/copy of source code, etc.

However, if the material is "copyrighted", it is still illegal to copy it even if it is not encrypted. Anyway, someone could still write it down with pencil and paper. The RIAA has the same problem with people downloading and sharing copyrighted music and they are currently prosecuting some of those persons. Perhaps Bob could get some advice from them as well.

A ball player's got to be kept hungry to become a big leaguer. That's why no boy from a rich family ever made the big leagues.
Joe Dimaggio (b. 1914), U.S. baseball player. Quoted in: New York Times (30 April 1961).
MrandMrsBaseballMrandMrsBaseball1,000+ posts
Phd,

Rather than admitting to a bad choice and being man enough to apologize and maybe suggest you didn't realize it was wrong (as Bee has done) you essentially raise your middle finger at Bob. Not a bright move.
You obviously fail to understand how helpful this site might have been to your business.

_______________________
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer

P PHD (Guest)
If you have a problem with someone posting stuff without permission, email, call or smoke signal the offending person.

I am sure there are plenty of lawyers who need the work that will be more than happy to sue someone for you. chat

You can call my lawyer Elle Woods

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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
I just visited this site. Would a parent actually buy this when you can find this info for free? IMO I think this guy is preying upon the parent who actually believes that his advice, programs, whatever (or someone else's) will actually land them a scholarship or a chance in the Big Leagues. It's rather sad.

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