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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
During this fall and next season, it is possible that many more players are going to be cut due to new roster size limits.

Lots of chatter here about players being cut. I want to say that in all of sons 3 years at college, no player was every "cut" from his team nor do I know any other player that was "cut" without a good reason to be cut(not lack of playing time).

I believe that the high transfer rate from D1 to D1 was largely due to players looking for better opportunities. A few years ago, one player who was top player in his small conference transfered to Clemson, he was not happy with the environment, missed his friends and ultimately didn't do as well as some thought he would. It was a move to better increase his draft status (more high profile). I have also noticed some other players who have done the same, transfered from smaller programs to larger programs for more exposure and it doesn't work out very well, but yes, sometimes it does. This is one of the reasons why most coaches didn't argue the transfer rule, it doesn't happen at most schools, but a few in particular you have to watch for and have reputations for large fall rosters. I am hoping that will change in these programs.

If a coach has spent time watching you play, given you a solid opportunity to come to his program, he basically knows eventually where you will or will not fit in, maybe as a freshman, as in many cases, you will have to spend more time on the bench that you are used to spending, that is NORMAL, regardless of where one heads off to. It might take a year or two, maybe three to actually be a significant starter in college. If teh player does not want to wait out that time, then head to a place where you are wanted, not a place where you have to prove yourself all over again in fall of freshman year (playing to keep your scholarship not a spot on the 35 man roster). Everything else will work out.

I posted this because recruiting is a difficult and confusing time for most players and their families, but IMO the possibility of getting cut should not be at the top of your "con" list.
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jerseydadjerseydad1,000+ posts
After reading TPM’s post it made me wonder how many actual players have transferred from one D1 school to another. I know there is a lot of talk about a surplus of transfers due to new NCAA rules however when I looked at the transfers from one D1 to other D1 program over the last two years the numbers don't seem to be that large. Another interesting thing I notices was that the number of transfers didn't change that much since the new roster guidelines were put in place.

*info found on Baseball America website

2007 Transfers as of Sept, 2007

Total of 108 D-1 to D1 transfers

Only 5 schools had more than 3 transfers.

Long Beach State 5
Florida State 4
Mississippi 4
Winthrop 4
Cincinnati 4
St. Johns 3


2006 Transfers as of Sept, 2006

Total of 118 D-1 to D1 transfers

Only 6 schools had more than 3 transfers. These numbers are somewhat skewed because Birmingham-Southern closed their baseball program and released all their players. When factoring out the Birm-Southern group, the transfer list still showed a fairly close resemblance to the 2007 transfers.

Birm Southern 19
Winthrop 5
Texas A&M 4
Texas Christian 4
Arizona State 4
Michigan State 3
Houston 3

I know many more transfers are coming and a large amount of the transfers will go the D2, D3 or NAIA route, however when you look at the totals over the last couple of years I don’t know why the NCAA felt it was hurting college baseball to allow a onetime transfer rules to be in effect. When you consider there are over 9,000 players in any given year, 100 transfers don't seem to be an area that needed to be dealt with. Maybe I’m missing something but I can’t see how the new transfer rule benefits anyone but the colleges.
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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
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Originally posted by CPLZ:
I'm not confident that the BA numbers are complete. I know of a couple of transfers that weren't on the list.


I agree, there are many schools that had transfers and never mentioned because they aren ot high profile schools.

I'd like to see actual numbers however, even a few transfers can hurt the APR. IMO, it was also done to cut out large rosters.

Good effort though on your part JD! Smile
N NRPMom100+ posts
There are times when a coach will tell you what you want to hear to get you there and it won't be anything close to what he said once you're there. I would hope most boys know they have to earn playing time but there are other ways of getting kids to come to a school. Soliciting 50 boys knowing you will most probably cut to 35 is only in the interest of the coach, not the player. Hopefully after this year, since the rule wasn't in place when the year started, the over recruiting will stop at some schools.
OLDSLUGGER8OLDSLUGGER81,000+ posts
I think this emphasis on transfer is doing a disservice to the new recruits. If a coach comes after a player, at least initially you would think they like what they see, and if all the other FITS are there, a marriage occurs. On occasion, so does a divorce.

Nobody wants to sit the bench, especially kids who have never had that concern before. There have been many times posted on this site the statistics of getting to D1, let alone being a major contributor, and also using it as a launching pad to Pro baseball.

I would think it starts in the Fall. If you can't dominate your own teammates, who are all good players, then the coach can determine and evaluate what is needed to overcome those obstacles. If you do what they thought you can do, then you can immediately be a contributor from day one.

I.E. the Field of play determines who plays. Why do you think families pay big bucks for their kids while in high school to go to showcases, the good ones that garner national attention? It is a proving ground to seeking security, for playing time in college, for draft slots, for choices.

Even when the touted ones arrive at college, they have to continually prove it. When they opt for Pro, they have to continually prove it. If you refer back to rookie ball for some of the highly touted 2007 kids, they struggled, as expected. Some though, did real well.

My ramblings basically are saying what others have said. Play hard, remain humble, and be a good teammate. If you struggle against your own, expect a delay in play time. If you convince the coach to the point he has confidence in you, then you should play.

Make sense?? Cool

Do the necessary things to improve upon your weaknesses, everyone has them. There is a book on everyone. If you pull off the outside pitch in a bad count, then fix it, but "watch out for inside", if you have location issues from the mound, fix it.

A constant game of adjustments. Who wants it more??
TRhitTRhit10,000+ posts
The big problem is that todays players are led to believe that they are the best---perhaps they are in their small pond---get to the college level and everyone is the best from their pond---now it becomes which big fish from their pond can win out--it hapens in the business world everyday--survival of the fittest--no coddling---each player fending for himself
T theEH1,000+ posts
quote:
My ramblings basically are saying what others have said. Play hard, remain humble, and be a good teammate. If you struggle against your own, expect a delay in play time. If you convince the coach to the point he has confidence in you, then you should play.

Make sense??


Also are you getting an education while in College.
That is why your there??

The baseball thing will take care of it self.
Workhard and take advantage of what playing time you do get.
If your good enough it will work out.
EH

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