Cleats vs stocking feet, I don't think it matters much.
I got the impression coaches and scouts can stand next to a player and know exactly whether what you have put down is true or not, judging from their size.
My son is a bit shy of 6'3.5" but everyone thinks he is closer to 6'5", which he probably is wearing cleats.
Mine was 5'10" this morning. He's closer to 5'9" tonight.
Having been to a number of pro tryouts, I was most impressed with the Colorado Rockies, each player had to fill out an information card and when his name was called, the scout would look at the card and then stare directly into the players eyes......then say thanks and send them to the warm up area.....
After wards he told me he was checking listed height against his own height....He was 6'2"......for any big fudges....also he said he didnt care about cleats or not.....said noone plays in bare feet.........
After wards he told me he was checking listed height against his own height....He was 6'2"......for any big fudges....also he said he didnt care about cleats or not.....said noone plays in bare feet.........
I remember my mother bringing home the Game Program from my first HS football game. They had me listed as 6'4" 240 lb. I was 6' 210 lb. 
I guess they gave me 10 pounds per inch.... I never knew why and it was never corrected... and I never grew those 3 nches 
I guess they gave me 10 pounds per inch.... I never knew why and it was never corrected... and I never grew those 3 nches
This issue is brought up here every year or so, usually with the same conclusion --- cleats on, cleats off, honesty is best.
But jemaz is spot on, it only matters if you can play. We've all seen guys with amusing height/weight listings sign with major D1s.
My favorite example was a player drafted in the top twenty rounds a few years back. Listed at 6'2", he stood talking to my (then) 6' son who was 2-3" taller than he. Wow, thought I, my boy's certainly grown
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But jemaz is spot on, it only matters if you can play. We've all seen guys with amusing height/weight listings sign with major D1s.
My favorite example was a player drafted in the top twenty rounds a few years back. Listed at 6'2", he stood talking to my (then) 6' son who was 2-3" taller than he. Wow, thought I, my boy's certainly grown
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My son is 5'10-11, and always lists his height accordingly. Well, he played this fall on a team who did not know him and they had him listed on the roster with the same dimensions as the player directly above him...6'3. We laughed, but Perfect Game commented on their web site analysis that he was a good pitcher but was not near the height listed on the roster and that if he were the size listed, he might be a major league prospect. I felt bad that they thought he was trying to fudge his size. But, bottom line...be honest AND size matters!
"be honest AND size matters!"
Tell that to jake peavy, Tim hudson, and pedro
LOL i'm 6'1 with my cleats on. Does that mean they would LIST me at 6'1 on a roster?
Tell that to jake peavy, Tim hudson, and pedro
LOL i'm 6'1 with my cleats on. Does that mean they would LIST me at 6'1 on a roster?
When you lie about your height and weight, you subject the rest of your baseball abilities to closer scrutiny.
Scouts just won't believe what they hear.
Scouts just won't believe what they hear.
Never known a scout to put much into anything that they hear.....quote:When you lie about your height and weight, you subject the rest of your baseball abilities to closer scrutiny.
Scouts just won't believe what they hear.
My oldest is 6'3 3/4"; when he started putting down 6'4", I gave him the Honesty 101 lecture. With a stupid look I got this: "Dad, I have never played baseball bare-footed, I play in cleats, and in my cleats, I am 6'4"".
Good answer.
Good answer.
And hokie, while size matters, when you're the height of your son, it really doesn't matter which of those two numbers he is. Those are nice sizes for any position on the diamond. About the only place it might be getting toward being on the big side is catcher. While you do see 6'4" catchers, there aren't a lot of them.
Hey Bob you see that #23 over there? Yeah what about him? On the roster they have him listed at 6'0. Id say he is all of 5'10. Yeah isn't that the kid they said hit .456 last year? Yeah, it is now that you mention it. I wonder if that stat was as inflated as the height on the roster? I don't know.
Maybe Ive exagerated a little bit here maybe I have not. But why place any doubt in anyones mind about anything. I would rather put down the truth and not have to worry about someone coming back and wondering. If you can play you can play and let your play speak for itself. I have always listed our guys exactly what they are in their socks. I like it when someone comes up and says "Hey coach we thought #15 was 5'11 man he looks every bit of 6'1". I would rather them be pleasantly surprised than disapointed. When I send in a questionaire and they ask for HT WT and Velocity as well as 60 time I always list it what it actually is not what they want it to be. I dont want them looking at it and saying "Dont put any stock in that one that coach said Bobby Smith ran a 6.8 60 was 6'2 and threw 88. Then when we saw him he ran a 7.2 was 5'11 and hit 83 on the gun. Go ahead and put that on in the trash can". JMHO
Maybe Ive exagerated a little bit here maybe I have not. But why place any doubt in anyones mind about anything. I would rather put down the truth and not have to worry about someone coming back and wondering. If you can play you can play and let your play speak for itself. I have always listed our guys exactly what they are in their socks. I like it when someone comes up and says "Hey coach we thought #15 was 5'11 man he looks every bit of 6'1". I would rather them be pleasantly surprised than disapointed. When I send in a questionaire and they ask for HT WT and Velocity as well as 60 time I always list it what it actually is not what they want it to be. I dont want them looking at it and saying "Dont put any stock in that one that coach said Bobby Smith ran a 6.8 60 was 6'2 and threw 88. Then when we saw him he ran a 7.2 was 5'11 and hit 83 on the gun. Go ahead and put that on in the trash can". JMHO
For what it's worth...
Just this morning I asked a very reputable college baseball coach his opinion on this subject. He said he would expect a player to list his height as it would be in full uniform.
Just this morning I asked a very reputable college baseball coach his opinion on this subject. He said he would expect a player to list his height as it would be in full uniform.
A lot of people posting are talking about kid's that are at least 6' tall. An inch or so doesn't really look much different, but seems to make a difference on paper. I could see a 5-7 kid saying he was 5-9 or a 5-9 kid saying he was 5-10. Heights a big deal when your that short.
I'll have to agree with nd943. Everyone's making comments about their son being 6'1",etc. and should they list 6'2" because they are with their cleats/shoes on. We have a player on our team that is 5'4" (or somewhere around there) an inch or two would make him proportionally bigger than the one over 6'.
During the playoffs last year I noticed that Roy Oswalt is listed at 6' and 185lb. The announcers said that he was probably more like 5'10" and 175lb. Someone at work said that when he stood next to Roger Clemens that he looked a "foot" shorter to him.
Also my son's pitching instructor was telling me that he has seen guys in pro ball (probably in the minors as that is where he played) who were 5'8". This guy is a very straight shooter.
Tim Robertson
During the playoffs last year I noticed that Roy Oswalt is listed at 6' and 185lb. The announcers said that he was probably more like 5'10" and 175lb. Someone at work said that when he stood next to Roger Clemens that he looked a "foot" shorter to him.
Also my son's pitching instructor was telling me that he has seen guys in pro ball (probably in the minors as that is where he played) who were 5'8". This guy is a very straight shooter.
Tim Robertson
quote:Originally posted by Tim Robertson:
I'll have to agree with nd943. Everyone's making comments about their son being 6'1",etc. and should they list 6'2" because they are with their cleats/shoes on. We have a player on our team that is 5'4" (or somewhere around there) an inch or two would make him proportionally bigger than the one over 6'.
During the playoffs last year I noticed that Roy Oswalt is listed at 6' and 185lb. The announcers said that he was probably more like 5'10" and 175lb. Someone at work said that when he stood next to Roger Clemens that he looked a "foot" shorter to him.
Also my son's pitching instructor was telling me that he has seen guys in pro ball (probably in the minors as that is where he played) who were 5'8". This guy is a very straight shooter.
Tim Robertson
roy looks shorter then 5'8
My son showed me a series of Chipper Jones bb cards a few years back where Chipper 'grew' a couple of inches in the MLB. Stiletto cleats, maybe? 